I have an old set of original gold colour Emblem 5000T reels, with metal lipped spools. Back in the day these were my distance casting reels. I've not used them since the 90s but they are in excellent condition. For the last 10+ years I've been using Ultegra 14000s.
My question is do you think in the real world there will be much difference between the reels in casting performance? I've just picked up a set of 13ft TX7 Intensity rods cheap and I'll only be using them in specific situations. Using the Emblems will save me buying another set of reels or messing about swaping the Ulegras from rod to rod.
My question is do you think in the real world there will be much difference between the reels in casting performance? I've just picked up a set of 13ft TX7 Intensity rods cheap and I'll only be using them in specific situations. Using the Emblems will save me buying another set of reels or messing about swaping the Ulegras from rod to rod.
In reply to Post #1
Only your wallet can answer. I'm sure the old reels will be fine, give them a go first and don't expect to get more, easier distance from a shiny set of Basias. The difference is likely to be minimal at best.
Only your wallet can answer. I'm sure the old reels will be fine, give them a go first and don't expect to get more, easier distance from a shiny set of Basias. The difference is likely to be minimal at best.
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+1. Some would say better line lay may get you extra yards, some argue the line being tightly packed with better line lay inhibits the line coming off the spool as freely. If the spool is longer same applies but being realistic, if ultimate distance isn't required who cares. Give the 2 a go side by side, see what you think, as Paul says, I expect the difference to be minimal, though I have no doubt also owning the gold 5000T's the Shimano experience will be smoother
As a aside, I was looking at having mine serviced by Trafford Tackle Repairs, that's Dave from Trafford Anglers for those who remember that far back and used the shop.
+1. Some would say better line lay may get you extra yards, some argue the line being tightly packed with better line lay inhibits the line coming off the spool as freely. If the spool is longer same applies but being realistic, if ultimate distance isn't required who cares. Give the 2 a go side by side, see what you think, as Paul says, I expect the difference to be minimal, though I have no doubt also owning the gold 5000T's the Shimano experience will be smoother
As a aside, I was looking at having mine serviced by Trafford Tackle Repairs, that's Dave from Trafford Anglers for those who remember that far back and used the shop.
In reply to Post #1
Not sure I like the wider spools of the Shimano (14000s) for extreme distance.
Not sure I like the wider spools of the Shimano (14000s) for extreme distance.
In reply to Post #4
I had a casting tuition with Terry Edmonds last year and asked him that exact question and he said that reels only had a minimal impact on distance and that rods, line diameter and techniques were far more important. I was particularly interested in weight as my old Basia reels were featherweight but he believed most decent reels have good enough line lay and the weight is pretty irrelevant.
I had a casting tuition with Terry Edmonds last year and asked him that exact question and he said that reels only had a minimal impact on distance and that rods, line diameter and techniques were far more important. I was particularly interested in weight as my old Basia reels were featherweight but he believed most decent reels have good enough line lay and the weight is pretty irrelevant.
In reply to Post #5
thanks - those are pretty much my thoughts as well. Out of interest I will try both sets of reels side by side, but I'm betting there won't be much more than a few yards in it........
thanks - those are pretty much my thoughts as well. Out of interest I will try both sets of reels side by side, but I'm betting there won't be much more than a few yards in it........
Years ago i put one of my castizms on my 12'6 3.25tc hi s and one of my shimmy tec mgs 12000 xtb's on another identical rod, same 3.5 oz lead and same 12lb gr60 line and there was no difference in the distance i could cast even with the technium having a bigger spool with super slow oscillation and perfect line lay. So from my findings it makes no diffrerence at all.
In reply to Post #7
Probably more likely to make a difference if using thick line or fluoro, thin line or braid is probably not going to be as much of a problem with smaller spools. Same goes for rod rings.
Probably more likely to make a difference if using thick line or fluoro, thin line or braid is probably not going to be as much of a problem with smaller spools. Same goes for rod rings.
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The line was quite thick at 0.35 diameter so definitely not thin.
The line was quite thick at 0.35 diameter so definitely not thin.
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Did similar recently with cast izm vs tech 10000xt. Whilst I agree maximum distance not much if any difference, the techs were so much easier to use. The smaller spool emptying quicker means you have to hit the cast harder.
The cast izms are my favourite reels - but personally don't use them over 90 yards purely for ease and accuracy.
Did similar recently with cast izm vs tech 10000xt. Whilst I agree maximum distance not much if any difference, the techs were so much easier to use. The smaller spool emptying quicker means you have to hit the cast harder.
The cast izms are my favourite reels - but personally don't use them over 90 yards purely for ease and accuracy.
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Im sure lee jackson from the tackle box did a test years ago with a small standard shimmy baitrunner and a basia and there was hardly anything in it between those either.
Im sure lee jackson from the tackle box did a test years ago with a small standard shimmy baitrunner and a basia and there was hardly anything in it between those either.
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Had this convo with TE during my casting lesson a few years back - reels are more about personal preference rather than outright performance; the difference between different branded big pits is marginal (feet rather than yards) and only really comes into play if your an expert / tourney caster using specialist lines etc. Bigger spools do make sense when long chucking as you have more back up line / diameter capacity should you catch a monster (assume this is from beachcasting / sea fishing where the 'lake' is infinite . . .)
Had this convo with TE during my casting lesson a few years back - reels are more about personal preference rather than outright performance; the difference between different branded big pits is marginal (feet rather than yards) and only really comes into play if your an expert / tourney caster using specialist lines etc. Bigger spools do make sense when long chucking as you have more back up line / diameter capacity should you catch a monster (assume this is from beachcasting / sea fishing where the 'lake' is infinite . . .)
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'Be interesting what Terry thinks now since he's switched to Korda, so I presume he uses a Daiwa reel - was in the Distance casting video with Korda.
When I say I don't like the wide spool of the 14000, I'm referring to the bigger coils (frap ups) of line coming off the spool, creating more drag.
I feel the longer, slightly narrower 45mm spools on the Daiwas lend to longer casts.
I could be wrong!
Obviously I'm talking mono straight through, thats been on the spools a while, here.
Anyone more clued up care to comment?
'Be interesting what Terry thinks now since he's switched to Korda, so I presume he uses a Daiwa reel - was in the Distance casting video with Korda.
When I say I don't like the wide spool of the 14000, I'm referring to the bigger coils (frap ups) of line coming off the spool, creating more drag.
I feel the longer, slightly narrower 45mm spools on the Daiwas lend to longer casts.
I could be wrong!
Obviously I'm talking mono straight through, thats been on the spools a while, here.
Anyone more clued up care to comment?
In reply to Post #14
Terry's opinion will depend on who's paying his wage...
Terry's opinion will depend on who's paying his wage...
always worth checking on gear ratios for distance reels as they can cut down on time & effort when it comes to reeling your rig back in - especially if you're having to make a few casts to get your bait on the spot.
you might be able to cast the same distance with a big pit & a smaller baitrunner but I know one is easier & faster to reel in afterwards.
spool width, handle size & gear ratios can make a lot of difference when fishing at range - a wider spool, comfortable handle & a higher ratio make the whole process a lot easier.
quite a difference between the ratios on top end reels - usually between 4 & 5 - that's a 25% more line with every turn of the handle.
you might be able to cast the same distance with a big pit & a smaller baitrunner but I know one is easier & faster to reel in afterwards.
spool width, handle size & gear ratios can make a lot of difference when fishing at range - a wider spool, comfortable handle & a higher ratio make the whole process a lot easier.
quite a difference between the ratios on top end reels - usually between 4 & 5 - that's a 25% more line with every turn of the handle.
In reply to Post #14
No one said they don't make a difference, rather that there are other factors that give you more distance as an average caster i.e technique. If you gave me Tiger Woods' set of golf clubs i'd still duff them but give me 20 lessons and i'd no doubt hit them further and sweeter than a set of J D Sports Dunlops. If you are a great caster after marginal increases then it would probably be money well spent buying top end reels. It's all relative to ability and the price you put on improvements both big and small.
No one said they don't make a difference, rather that there are other factors that give you more distance as an average caster i.e technique. If you gave me Tiger Woods' set of golf clubs i'd still duff them but give me 20 lessons and i'd no doubt hit them further and sweeter than a set of J D Sports Dunlops. If you are a great caster after marginal increases then it would probably be money well spent buying top end reels. It's all relative to ability and the price you put on improvements both big and small.
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But why is a wider spool easier \ better?
But why is a wider spool easier \ better?
In reply to Post #18
wider spool has a larger circumference which means it takes more line per bail arm revolution.
rough maths but if you took a baitrunner with a 6cm wide spool (guessing) & a 4.1 gear ratio & compared it to a big pit with a 10cm wide spool (another guess) & a 4.8 gear ratio - the big pit will retrieve almost double the amount of line with 1 turn of the reel handle (77cm vs 151cm). if the reel handle is double the length of the baitrunner it would take half the force to turn the big pit handle too (reel gears permitting).
double the amount of line, half the amount of effort per turn of the reel handle. quite a difference. especially if you are rushing to get your rods out in the dark.
wider spool has a larger circumference which means it takes more line per bail arm revolution.
rough maths but if you took a baitrunner with a 6cm wide spool (guessing) & a 4.1 gear ratio & compared it to a big pit with a 10cm wide spool (another guess) & a 4.8 gear ratio - the big pit will retrieve almost double the amount of line with 1 turn of the reel handle (77cm vs 151cm). if the reel handle is double the length of the baitrunner it would take half the force to turn the big pit handle too (reel gears permitting).
double the amount of line, half the amount of effort per turn of the reel handle. quite a difference. especially if you are rushing to get your rods out in the dark.
In reply to Post #19
Thnx for the reply Jamie - some good info there.
I should have been more specific in my post:-
I was interested in why a shorter\wider spool (Shimano 14000) should lead to better \ longer casts compared to a longer, narrower spool (Daiwa 45mm).
Or visa versa.
My take is the latter would lead to less issues regarding extreme range fishing.
Thnx for the reply Jamie - some good info there.
I should have been more specific in my post:-
I was interested in why a shorter\wider spool (Shimano 14000) should lead to better \ longer casts compared to a longer, narrower spool (Daiwa 45mm).
Or visa versa.
My take is the latter would lead to less issues regarding extreme range fishing.
In reply to Post #20
I dont think there is much to choose if anything between those two spool sizes regards casting distance. I am by no means in terry edmonds class when it comes to distance casting but with with my testing and with typical 15lb mono's on the same rod i had practically nothing in it distance wise. Both spools empty at a similar rate so drag over the spool lip has minimal effect.
I have also found that when comparing mini pits with short narrower spools to the above mentioned spools i have found a difference when casting a typical 15lb mono as on the longer casts the spool empties far quicker on a mini pit causing a lot of drag over the lip of the spool and slowing casts down resulting in a drop off in distance.
I dont think there is much to choose if anything between those two spool sizes regards casting distance. I am by no means in terry edmonds class when it comes to distance casting but with with my testing and with typical 15lb mono's on the same rod i had practically nothing in it distance wise. Both spools empty at a similar rate so drag over the spool lip has minimal effect.
I have also found that when comparing mini pits with short narrower spools to the above mentioned spools i have found a difference when casting a typical 15lb mono as on the longer casts the spool empties far quicker on a mini pit causing a lot of drag over the lip of the spool and slowing casts down resulting in a drop off in distance.
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