I've recently got back into essential oils but looking at doing something different from the norm. Have any of you lot experimented with eo's from herbs etc, not just the usual geranium etc but a bit more adventurous. A bit of reading points to low level eo's as being medicinal for carp as well as antibacterial and as a digestive aid.
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Thyme and basil are very good
Thyme and basil are very good
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Couple of years back I had some good bait which was containing oleoresins from fenugreek and red onions.
I know it's not an EO but I prefer oleoresins above EO.
Couple of years back I had some good bait which was containing oleoresins from fenugreek and red onions.
I know it's not an EO but I prefer oleoresins above EO.
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One thing to consider when choosing oleoresins is that some are partly oil soluble, some partly water soluble and some mainly in-soluble. Personally I like to spread out the effects and often mix a little EO with a water soluble oleoresin. I feel it gives a mixed leak off in the water over time which I am sure is a good thing although my time to try with and without to prove this point is limited so just a hunch not backed up by conclusive evidence.
One thing to consider when choosing oleoresins is that some are partly oil soluble, some partly water soluble and some mainly in-soluble. Personally I like to spread out the effects and often mix a little EO with a water soluble oleoresin. I feel it gives a mixed leak off in the water over time which I am sure is a good thing although my time to try with and without to prove this point is limited so just a hunch not backed up by conclusive evidence.
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Thyme is one that I'm thinking of using alongside coriander oil.
Thyme is one that I'm thinking of using alongside coriander oil.
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Great points and worth taking onboard. I'm looking to eo's as potentially medicinal ingredients and of course the inherent "taste" may well add to attraction.
Great points and worth taking onboard. I'm looking to eo's as potentially medicinal ingredients and of course the inherent "taste" may well add to attraction.
There are numerous good EO's that come from herbs, and a few very good ones!
I posted about them in another group not so long ago.
Have a look at what individual essential oils are comprised of and you might be able to see which ones are worth testing first.
The learning curve is steep but very worth while!
I posted about them in another group not so long ago.
Have a look at what individual essential oils are comprised of and you might be able to see which ones are worth testing first.
The learning curve is steep but very worth while!
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I can only agree but don't blame us when your head hurts
one thing quickly leads to another and another and another........ The subject has also been covered on here before, and it's very interesting.
I like Clove EO and Banana.
I can only agree but don't blame us when your head hurts
one thing quickly leads to another and another and another........ The subject has also been covered on here before, and it's very interesting.I like Clove EO and Banana.
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So many studies to back up the use of eo's that it's hard to ignore the research. Oddly one such paper stated that geranium oil, although seemingly attractive will also slow growth rate...As you say a total minefield (which I'm very happy to attempt to explore)
So many studies to back up the use of eo's that it's hard to ignore the research. Oddly one such paper stated that geranium oil, although seemingly attractive will also slow growth rate...As you say a total minefield (which I'm very happy to attempt to explore)
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Indeed, By combining different solubilities you can create a profile that spreads through the different layers of the water.
Indeed, By combining different solubilities you can create a profile that spreads through the different layers of the water.
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Just to be a little different, I'm not bothered about solubility but more looking at eo's for functional properties. Digestive aid, antioxidant, disease prevention etc.
Just to be a little different, I'm not bothered about solubility but more looking at eo's for functional properties. Digestive aid, antioxidant, disease prevention etc.
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Maybe look into cooking recipes and ingredients, herbal therapy, historical culinary uses, global cuisine etc.
Maybe look into cooking recipes and ingredients, herbal therapy, historical culinary uses, global cuisine etc.
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But why bother on EO then? Fresh spices and herbs have the same properties...
But why bother on EO then? Fresh spices and herbs have the same properties...
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First time I dabbled was late 80s and I bought some that was advertised in the AT. Geranium and if I'm honest I didn't have much of an idea and I cant say the fish did too lol
Enter strawberry and bergamot that was doing the damage. A bloke who I know once said something to me about bait which has stuck in my mind ever since. You will know how good something is when you leave it out and I can't say it made any difference with some ingredients, only to my head
I believe they can offer a completely different edge to a bait, especially in singles due to their potency. In the minute quantity's in a food bait (that are recommended!) you could argue the benefit and I certainly don't think it's nutritionally more attraction with the thinking it used to give your bait an individual edge or label
I was looking at Bucha the other day and when you dig deeper I can see where your going with it, I guess its if a carp can recognise it and respond to it. Serenity after the great bait man's name is interesting. I have around 1/2 litre of tangerine in my shed now and some black pepper. I was convinced at one point that the Nash Tangee peach had this in it. It's in the shed now
And I've tried high levels in baits and baits glugged in neat EO and as usual have not peresevered because I could not convince myself or never really pulled any trees up. Same on floaters
First time I dabbled was late 80s and I bought some that was advertised in the AT. Geranium and if I'm honest I didn't have much of an idea and I cant say the fish did too lol
Enter strawberry and bergamot that was doing the damage. A bloke who I know once said something to me about bait which has stuck in my mind ever since. You will know how good something is when you leave it out and I can't say it made any difference with some ingredients, only to my head
I believe they can offer a completely different edge to a bait, especially in singles due to their potency. In the minute quantity's in a food bait (that are recommended!) you could argue the benefit and I certainly don't think it's nutritionally more attraction with the thinking it used to give your bait an individual edge or label
I was looking at Bucha the other day and when you dig deeper I can see where your going with it, I guess its if a carp can recognise it and respond to it. Serenity after the great bait man's name is interesting. I have around 1/2 litre of tangerine in my shed now and some black pepper. I was convinced at one point that the Nash Tangee peach had this in it. It's in the shed now
And I've tried high levels in baits and baits glugged in neat EO and as usual have not peresevered because I could not convince myself or never really pulled any trees up. Same on floaters
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Why bother indeed. I have also looked at, and am currently using 2 herbs in my bait. One at 70g and the other at 20. This is where I started looking at the aromatic compounds within them and the potential benefit as a long term addition. Results with one at an elevated level have been very good and as scozza said , an ingredient is only good if you notice the difference when it's removed.....and this one is for me anyway a game changer.
Why bother indeed. I have also looked at, and am currently using 2 herbs in my bait. One at 70g and the other at 20. This is where I started looking at the aromatic compounds within them and the potential benefit as a long term addition. Results with one at an elevated level have been very good and as scozza said , an ingredient is only good if you notice the difference when it's removed.....and this one is for me anyway a game changer.
Ive never used essential oils which makes me think....how essential are they?
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quite a few of the ingredients fall into the phytonutrients food groups & like you mention, there seems to be some very interesting substances that seem to have medicinal benefits.
was quite the eye opener when I first started looking into phyto's & noticed how many effective carp attractors appeared in the different lists - fenugreek, tumeric, NBA, eugenol... the royal society of chemistry website seemed to have a great explainer.
anyone ever use Carroway oil?
quite a few of the ingredients fall into the phytonutrients food groups & like you mention, there seems to be some very interesting substances that seem to have medicinal benefits.
was quite the eye opener when I first started looking into phyto's & noticed how many effective carp attractors appeared in the different lists - fenugreek, tumeric, NBA, eugenol... the royal society of chemistry website seemed to have a great explainer.
anyone ever use Carroway oil?
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You're on target.
You're on target.
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It's become a fascinating subject for me and there's one element in particular that's opened my eyes, I included it as a potential digestive aid but after using it for a few day sessions oddly it's had a profound effect on carps behaviour when feeding. They seem very calm and free of stress and even the bites have gone from screamers to a slow lift on the bobbin and the rod tip nodding, like they have no idea they have been hooked. Upon further investigation this element is reported to have an ability to calm fish, especially when being handled when being transferred when breeding.
It's become a fascinating subject for me and there's one element in particular that's opened my eyes, I included it as a potential digestive aid but after using it for a few day sessions oddly it's had a profound effect on carps behaviour when feeding. They seem very calm and free of stress and even the bites have gone from screamers to a slow lift on the bobbin and the rod tip nodding, like they have no idea they have been hooked. Upon further investigation this element is reported to have an ability to calm fish, especially when being handled when being transferred when breeding.
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Seems like they smoked some greens
Seems like they smoked some greens
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Oh, I've just made that connection .
Oh, I've just made that connection
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Anyone used aniseed essential oil
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I feel we have read some similar papers. Would this ingredient happen to work even better with the inclusion of another substance too?
If it is the one I think it is then one of the medicinal benefits I read was that it is actually an appetite stimulator. I read the calming effects, I wonder if there are some anesthetic affects & the fish aren't sure they are hooked as they can't feel the hook?
I feel we have read some similar papers. Would this ingredient happen to work even better with the inclusion of another substance too?
If it is the one I think it is then one of the medicinal benefits I read was that it is actually an appetite stimulator. I read the calming effects, I wonder if there are some anesthetic affects & the fish aren't sure they are hooked as they can't feel the hook?
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read a paper recently where fish were exposed to sativa cannabis - seems that tey didn't like it & it wasn't good for them.
read a paper recently where fish were exposed to sativa cannabis - seems that tey didn't like it & it wasn't good for them.
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I was fooling around
But just wonder if it that behavior is a returning phenomenon (I mean: do you have al year around or just during summer?)
I was fooling around
But just wonder if it that behavior is a returning phenomenon (I mean: do you have al year around or just during summer?)
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We've obviously been getting it all wrong then...
We've obviously been getting it all wrong then...
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Clove oil. Used to kill fish. Shuts the gills down
Clove oil. Used to kill fish. Shuts the gills down
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Partially correct. That is very high doses. In lower doses it is used to calm fish down for procedures. It's basically anaesthetic for fish
Partially correct. That is very high doses. In lower doses it is used to calm fish down for procedures. It's basically anaesthetic for fish
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eugenol - in high doses it's bad for them - in smaller doses it is a) a very good attractor b) calming & used in transporting fish when used with small amounts of salt.
eugenol - in high doses it's bad for them - in smaller doses it is a) a very good attractor b) calming & used in transporting fish when used with small amounts of salt.
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