I have really done my right shoulder in.
I can trace it back to a visit to a big water where I spombed the granny out of it, and I'm sure the throwing stick didn't help either.
The doctor reckons it's a frozen shoulder but it could be a torn muscle or ligament damage, also known as rotator cuff. I am waiting for some physio.
Now I can't lift my arm above my head without some pain and reaching out wide or behind my head is very painful.
So just the catty for a long while...
I can trace it back to a visit to a big water where I spombed the granny out of it, and I'm sure the throwing stick didn't help either.
The doctor reckons it's a frozen shoulder but it could be a torn muscle or ligament damage, also known as rotator cuff. I am waiting for some physio.
Now I can't lift my arm above my head without some pain and reaching out wide or behind my head is very painful.
So just the catty for a long while...
In reply to Post #1
My mrs has been suffering with this for over a year
Not a quick fix unfortunately and she's had the magic jab that's supposed to help
My mrs has been suffering with this for over a year
Not a quick fix unfortunately and she's had the magic jab that's supposed to help
In reply to Post #2
I hope I can fast track through the physio waffle and go straight to the cortisone injections.
I have had them for plantar and although it took a few jabs it's now liveable.
No idea when some fishing will be a realistic prospect.
I hope I can fast track through the physio waffle and go straight to the cortisone injections.
I have had them for plantar and although it took a few jabs it's now liveable.
No idea when some fishing will be a realistic prospect.
Google: Dr Kirsch bodyweight hanging exercises for rotator cuff injury. Helped me enormously.
In reply to Post #3
Quack said last visit
You have to go through the pain and live with it ....
I'm going to check out the Last post though @andy
Quack said last visit
You have to go through the pain and live with it ....
I'm going to check out the Last post though @andy
In reply to Post #1
Ask for a cortisone injection but tell them you want it Ultrasound Guided.!!
this means 2 things one they get it exactly in the best spot and two its almost pain free
I have had 6 over the past 17 years
initially there was a limit of 3 as past that it could make your ligament brittle and liable to snap but they changed the type of cortisone so now there is no limit
the first one was the worst pain was incredible but the last 3 have all been Ultrasound Guided and didnt really hurt much at all
one thing I learnt after you have it try to really rest it for at least 24 hours dont lift anything this will pay dividends trust me
things I have done
torn my rotator cuff muscle almost in half and ripped my shoulder muscle almost off my shoulder blade and snapped my main shoulder tendon but I did lift the end of a 600kg refuelling boom when the castor wheel supporting it dropped and jammed in an expansion joint
within 30 seconds of feeling elated that I had done it
I realised I could not move my arm and my hand and arm almost doubled in size it was scary that lead to 17 years of problems
Ask for a cortisone injection but tell them you want it Ultrasound Guided.!!
this means 2 things one they get it exactly in the best spot and two its almost pain free
I have had 6 over the past 17 years
initially there was a limit of 3 as past that it could make your ligament brittle and liable to snap but they changed the type of cortisone so now there is no limit
the first one was the worst pain was incredible but the last 3 have all been Ultrasound Guided and didnt really hurt much at all
one thing I learnt after you have it try to really rest it for at least 24 hours dont lift anything this will pay dividends trust me
things I have done
torn my rotator cuff muscle almost in half and ripped my shoulder muscle almost off my shoulder blade and snapped my main shoulder tendon but I did lift the end of a 600kg refuelling boom when the castor wheel supporting it dropped and jammed in an expansion joint
within 30 seconds of feeling elated that I had done it
I realised I could not move my arm and my hand and arm almost doubled in size it was scary that lead to 17 years of problems
In reply to Post #1
I would put my money on it that it's the throwing stick that's caused it
I used to get a repetitive pain around my left shoulder blade that ran down my back after using a stick on a regular basis. I would cut down on the amount of bait you stick out and only use one if you really have to. Once you get sorted!
I would put my money on it that it's the throwing stick that's caused it
I used to get a repetitive pain around my left shoulder blade that ran down my back after using a stick on a regular basis. I would cut down on the amount of bait you stick out and only use one if you really have to. Once you get sorted!
In reply to Post #7
Throwing stick does me when I bait up at longer distances I do try and do the two arm method when I remember usually when it's too late ,not my shoulder though mine's my forearm and I loose sensation in my fingers can last for month's
Throwing stick does me when I bait up at longer distances I do try and do the two arm method when I remember usually when it's too late ,not my shoulder though mine's my forearm and I loose sensation in my fingers can last for month's
In reply to Post #8
I have had those symptoms twice from repetitive strain injury, physio sorted it fairly quickly. Now if I feel the slightest twinge I commence the first exercise they used and the symptoms have gone in a few days. Not saying it will work for everyone but it might be worth a try and physio is the one NHS service that seems to be easily accessible, certainly in my area.
I have had those symptoms twice from repetitive strain injury, physio sorted it fairly quickly. Now if I feel the slightest twinge I commence the first exercise they used and the symptoms have gone in a few days. Not saying it will work for everyone but it might be worth a try and physio is the one NHS service that seems to be easily accessible, certainly in my area.
In reply to Post #9
If I remember correctly my tendons in both arm's have shrunk and need an operation to cut them ,I suffered with it over 15 years it's from engineering, I wear a strap around both arms now advice from the doctor just below the elbow when I'm working I've retired now though (58) but I loose feelings in my fingers when clycling ,I forget to put it on when I'm using the throwing stick, but thanks for the physio advice but I need to go under the knife but I'm avoiding it
If I remember correctly my tendons in both arm's have shrunk and need an operation to cut them ,I suffered with it over 15 years it's from engineering, I wear a strap around both arms now advice from the doctor just below the elbow when I'm working I've retired now though (58) but I loose feelings in my fingers when clycling ,I forget to put it on when I'm using the throwing stick, but thanks for the physio advice but I need to go under the knife but I'm avoiding it
In reply to Post #1
id insist on a mri scan and xray at the very least, i slipped on a beer crate in 91 while fitting a bathroom window and my right shoulder slammed against the sink, thought nothing of it being building trade how wrong was i .any way got worse as i got older 55 last saturday. anyway to summarize, id torn my supraspinatus 30mm and after a failed shoulder op, the surgeon said i need a new shoulder ,wait till i retire and no heavy lifting. ps ask your gp for some NAPROXEN help with the pain. hopefully its not to serious,im managing my pain ,but i got a letter of my gp so i can drop my tackle off at my swim on my syndicate. every cloud hey.
id insist on a mri scan and xray at the very least, i slipped on a beer crate in 91 while fitting a bathroom window and my right shoulder slammed against the sink, thought nothing of it being building trade how wrong was i .any way got worse as i got older 55 last saturday. anyway to summarize, id torn my supraspinatus 30mm and after a failed shoulder op, the surgeon said i need a new shoulder ,wait till i retire and no heavy lifting. ps ask your gp for some NAPROXEN help with the pain. hopefully its not to serious,im managing my pain ,but i got a letter of my gp so i can drop my tackle off at my swim on my syndicate. every cloud hey.
When I did my right arm and shoulder in I was in absolute agony to try and raise my arm and hand higher than my shoulder and I fell lucky.
I was at a leaving do for a work colleague when a girl I knew who was a friend of my work colleague noticed that when I was drinking my pint, I was having to raise my glass as high as I could which was not even chin height and then dip my head to drink out of the glass and I was wincing with the pain.
She came across to see me and ask me what my problem was and I told her. She told me that she practices Rei Kei and if I wanted she would look at it, so she sat on the arm of the chair and put her hands on my shoulders and found the place where the problem was. She then placed her hands on the spot and I felt a very hot burning sensation go through my shoulder. As we only had a few minutes as we was moving to a new venue, she said she would see me during the week in passing at work.
A few nights later, she popped into see me and once again applied her hands to the spot where the problem was. Once again, I felt that burning sensation go right through me and just held her hands their for a couple of minutes.
For an entire week, that part of my body glowed with the heat of her hands and miraculously my shoulder was cured straight away and to this day I have full movement of my arm pain free and this must have been close to 14 years ago.
Throwing sticks have a lot to answer for and I have mentioned it many times over the years, they need a bung fitting inside them which if fitted correctly is just level with top of were the hand holds the stick and can be finely tuned to your own action by moving it up or down ever so slightly.
With a correctly fitted bung, it alleviates using big arm movements and it becomes more of a fly casting action from the elbow and far less from the shoulder. I make my own sticks and if I buy one, always fit a bung. People who have used them are always impressed at how easy they are to use with a bung and also far more accurate as you do not have to get the boilies rolling down the stick to fire them out, with a bung, they are in the right position to fire out to start with.
Even Rod Hutchinson's design in the Carp Strikes Back has a bung fitted and my original stick I bought in the 80's had a bung in. Somewhere along the line, tackle companies have stopped fitting them and virtually the only way to get the bait rolling down the stick is to raise the arm high and dip the stick down behind you and then do a slashing action to fire them out.
I was at a leaving do for a work colleague when a girl I knew who was a friend of my work colleague noticed that when I was drinking my pint, I was having to raise my glass as high as I could which was not even chin height and then dip my head to drink out of the glass and I was wincing with the pain.
She came across to see me and ask me what my problem was and I told her. She told me that she practices Rei Kei and if I wanted she would look at it, so she sat on the arm of the chair and put her hands on my shoulders and found the place where the problem was. She then placed her hands on the spot and I felt a very hot burning sensation go through my shoulder. As we only had a few minutes as we was moving to a new venue, she said she would see me during the week in passing at work.
A few nights later, she popped into see me and once again applied her hands to the spot where the problem was. Once again, I felt that burning sensation go right through me and just held her hands their for a couple of minutes.
For an entire week, that part of my body glowed with the heat of her hands and miraculously my shoulder was cured straight away and to this day I have full movement of my arm pain free and this must have been close to 14 years ago.
Throwing sticks have a lot to answer for and I have mentioned it many times over the years, they need a bung fitting inside them which if fitted correctly is just level with top of were the hand holds the stick and can be finely tuned to your own action by moving it up or down ever so slightly.
With a correctly fitted bung, it alleviates using big arm movements and it becomes more of a fly casting action from the elbow and far less from the shoulder. I make my own sticks and if I buy one, always fit a bung. People who have used them are always impressed at how easy they are to use with a bung and also far more accurate as you do not have to get the boilies rolling down the stick to fire them out, with a bung, they are in the right position to fire out to start with.
Even Rod Hutchinson's design in the Carp Strikes Back has a bung fitted and my original stick I bought in the 80's had a bung in. Somewhere along the line, tackle companies have stopped fitting them and virtually the only way to get the bait rolling down the stick is to raise the arm high and dip the stick down behind you and then do a slashing action to fire them out.
In reply to Post #11
I will ask about an mri. They will probably want me to do the whole physio thing to see how it goes but I will argue that only the mri can accurately diagnose the exact state of the injury.
It's either spombitis or stickitis...
I'm already on naproxen and co-codamol for back and joint issues.
And the omeprazol too.
I will ask about an mri. They will probably want me to do the whole physio thing to see how it goes but I will argue that only the mri can accurately diagnose the exact state of the injury.
It's either spombitis or stickitis...
I'm already on naproxen and co-codamol for back and joint issues.
And the omeprazol too.
In reply to Post #13
Did they give you the other pill to take with the naproxin?
My stomach has never been the same since they gave me that crap without the other pill to protect it.
The NHS is useless for these things, the standard treatment seems to be to waste as much time as possible and hope it disappears or you give up in the meantime
Did they give you the other pill to take with the naproxin?
My stomach has never been the same since they gave me that crap without the other pill to protect it.
The NHS is useless for these things, the standard treatment seems to be to waste as much time as possible and hope it disappears or you give up in the meantime
In reply to Post #13
carefull !!!!!!!!!
I lived on 3 pills Tramadol , Naproxen and Omeprazole
but still ended up with stomach problems in the end
you should always take Omeprazole or lansoprazole with pain killers and anti inflammatory tablets
carefull !!!!!!!!!
I lived on 3 pills Tramadol , Naproxen and Omeprazole
but still ended up with stomach problems in the end
you should always take Omeprazole or lansoprazole with pain killers and anti inflammatory tablets
In reply to Post #13
Hi mate. Just to say I lived with a physio for a while and used to hear all about the patients. Basically he said he could tell who would get better and who wouldn't within 30secs of them coming through the door. He said everyone wants a scan, injection or massage but no one wants to do the rehab, and guess what, those people end up with a recurring issue for the rest of their life. I did my rotator cuff in pretty badly. Couldn't lift my arm above my chest, across my chest etc. Anyway 6+ months of rehab and it works just fine. Quicker you start the better chance it will have of working. If you leave it 5 years then think you'll have a go it will be buggered for ever by then.
Hi mate. Just to say I lived with a physio for a while and used to hear all about the patients. Basically he said he could tell who would get better and who wouldn't within 30secs of them coming through the door. He said everyone wants a scan, injection or massage but no one wants to do the rehab, and guess what, those people end up with a recurring issue for the rest of their life. I did my rotator cuff in pretty badly. Couldn't lift my arm above my chest, across my chest etc. Anyway 6+ months of rehab and it works just fine. Quicker you start the better chance it will have of working. If you leave it 5 years then think you'll have a go it will be buggered for ever by then.
In reply to Post #12
Interesting point about throwing sticks. I shall try that and see how it feels/works.
Interesting point about throwing sticks. I shall try that and see how it feels/works.
In reply to Post #15
your right gerry my doctor gave me omeprazole, but some of the so called doctors dont,
i only take my meds when i really have to, work or when im spodding ,a knackerd shoulder is no fun , plus a bigger opp than a new hip!!
your right gerry my doctor gave me omeprazole, but some of the so called doctors dont,
i only take my meds when i really have to, work or when im spodding ,a knackerd shoulder is no fun , plus a bigger opp than a new hip!!
In reply to Post #13
Yes, I have always had the omeprazol to go with my naproxen and co-codamol.
We're such a gang of old men
Yes, I have always had the omeprazol to go with my naproxen and co-codamol.
We're such a gang of old men
In reply to Post #19
Not sure how omeprazole can help with frozen shoulder but I take one before going out on the lash and it's great
Not sure how omeprazole can help with frozen shoulder but I take one before going out on the lash and it's great
In reply to Post #20
Why's that then, a buzz?
Why's that then, a buzz?
In reply to Post #21
Alcohol increases acid secretion, omeprazole reduces it - stops or reduces heartburn/reflux after drinking.
There is no need to take omeprazole or other drugs of this class with co-codamol/tramadol, etc. However it will be co-prescribed with naproxen/ibuprofen and other anti-inflammatories if you are high risk of stomach ulcers/irritation (age, other drugs that can cause GI damage, history of GI irritation).
Alcohol increases acid secretion, omeprazole reduces it - stops or reduces heartburn/reflux after drinking.
There is no need to take omeprazole or other drugs of this class with co-codamol/tramadol, etc. However it will be co-prescribed with naproxen/ibuprofen and other anti-inflammatories if you are high risk of stomach ulcers/irritation (age, other drugs that can cause GI damage, history of GI irritation).
In reply to Post #22
Yes doctor
Yes doctor
In reply to Post #21
No nothing like that, it stops heart burn and indigestion, something I used to suffer with after a few beers.
You can but them cheap over the counter in Spanish chemists.
Or online here but you have to do a questionnaire and wait a while.
No nothing like that, it stops heart burn and indigestion, something I used to suffer with after a few beers.
You can but them cheap over the counter in Spanish chemists.
Or online here but you have to do a questionnaire and wait a while.
In reply to Post #24
Interesting
I thought you were more sensible then that
Interesting
I thought you were more sensible then that
In reply to Post #25
I thought that was being sensible, nothing worse than excruciating acid heart burn after your second pint.
I thought that was being sensible, nothing worse than excruciating acid heart burn after your second pint.
In reply to Post #26
Typical southerner, I bet that's Shandy too
Typical southerner, I bet that's Shandy too
In reply to Post #27
No scotch.
No scotch.
In reply to Post #28
Go and see a decent Physiotherapist mate.
Pay if you have to, it will be money well spent.
Pay if you have to, it will be money well spent.
In reply to Post #1
I hope you get it sorted, whatever caused it.
I've got a dodgy shoulder myself, but not from spodding. Mine stems from osteoarthritis in my hip, but where I have compensated for that I have twisted my back and damaged the nerves from neck to toe.
In other words, not everyone's pain or problems are the same. Keep on at your GP, get to see the physio, back specialist etc so you can get it sorted ASAP.
If the physio is good, he/she (them) will put you onto the next step so you do get sorted.
If it's nerve pain, you'll find over the counter painkillers do very little and that the next ones up prescribed are also often anti-depressants, so double check.
I hope you get it sorted, whatever caused it.
I've got a dodgy shoulder myself, but not from spodding. Mine stems from osteoarthritis in my hip, but where I have compensated for that I have twisted my back and damaged the nerves from neck to toe.
In other words, not everyone's pain or problems are the same. Keep on at your GP, get to see the physio, back specialist etc so you can get it sorted ASAP.
If the physio is good, he/she (them) will put you onto the next step so you do get sorted.
If it's nerve pain, you'll find over the counter painkillers do very little and that the next ones up prescribed are also often anti-depressants, so double check.
In reply to Post #31
I had my appointment with the in house physio at the doctors.
He pushed my arm a bit further than I wanted to raise it and I went a bit dizzy and had to sit down. Then the pain came in and lasted for ages. Cheers mate
He has put me on the doctors list for a cortisone injection, sme time in the next few weeks.
I will also have some exercises to do.
I had my appointment with the in house physio at the doctors.
He pushed my arm a bit further than I wanted to raise it and I went a bit dizzy and had to sit down. Then the pain came in and lasted for ages. Cheers mate
He has put me on the doctors list for a cortisone injection, sme time in the next few weeks.
I will also have some exercises to do.
In reply to Post #32
Fingers crossed it gets better nice and quick.
I heard a useful analogy for the physio exercises, lifted from the internet.
'At -4 degrees, nothing happens. It's still the same ice cube. At -3, -2 and -1 still nothing happens, but then it gets to 0 and it starts to melt. Its easy to think nothing happened between -5 and 0, but actually, work was being done to bring the temperature to a high enough point where the ice cube starts to melt.'
I imagine you'll see some improvement pretty quickly with the exercises but if it plateaus a bit just keep at it, its still doing something.
Fingers crossed it gets better nice and quick.
I heard a useful analogy for the physio exercises, lifted from the internet.
'At -4 degrees, nothing happens. It's still the same ice cube. At -3, -2 and -1 still nothing happens, but then it gets to 0 and it starts to melt. Its easy to think nothing happened between -5 and 0, but actually, work was being done to bring the temperature to a high enough point where the ice cube starts to melt.'
I imagine you'll see some improvement pretty quickly with the exercises but if it plateaus a bit just keep at it, its still doing something.
In reply to Post #32
did you TELL him you wanted a guided injection ?
as if not the normal one has 2 disadvantages one depending on who does it as to how much its going to hurt you and two you can only HOPE when they press that plunger it goes in the best place for it !as this makes a massive difference to how well it will work or not
WITH GUIDED it always gets injected in exactly the best spot and pain is drastically reduced as they can see and avoid scraping the bone
having had 6 cortisone injections in my shoulder over the past 17 years
Plus 1 in my right fist that goes in your palm and makes your bum bite a bit out of the chair you learn a few things
TOP TIP!!
after the injection DONT lift anything for min 24 to 48 hours and it will make the good effect of it last a lot longer as one doc told me it takes time for the swelling to go down and the gear to settle
did you TELL him you wanted a guided injection ?
as if not the normal one has 2 disadvantages one depending on who does it as to how much its going to hurt you and two you can only HOPE when they press that plunger it goes in the best place for it !as this makes a massive difference to how well it will work or not
WITH GUIDED it always gets injected in exactly the best spot and pain is drastically reduced as they can see and avoid scraping the bone
having had 6 cortisone injections in my shoulder over the past 17 years
Plus 1 in my right fist that goes in your palm and makes your bum bite a bit out of the chair you learn a few things
TOP TIP!!
after the injection DONT lift anything for min 24 to 48 hours and it will make the good effect of it last a lot longer as one doc told me it takes time for the swelling to go down and the gear to settle
In reply to Post #34
It will be. I have had 3-4 cortisone injections for plantar and they were all guided by ultrasound. It's the way they roll these days. When I see the doctor prior to my jab appointment I will double check but I'm sure it will be.
If anyone has had injections for plantar then you know how weird and nauseous it feels.
It will be. I have had 3-4 cortisone injections for plantar and they were all guided by ultrasound. It's the way they roll these days. When I see the doctor prior to my jab appointment I will double check but I'm sure it will be.
If anyone has had injections for plantar then you know how weird and nauseous it feels.
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