Just been on there website for a look and thats one hell of a money maker that mind. Loads of different competitions running. The rt7 one has already sold 14000 tickets at £1 a ticket so already he has made £14000 for a £4000 boat. If he sells all the tickets hes made £35000 and thats just one competition. He has his ford transet on there as well and currently made £35000 so far, if all tickets sell hes got £75000 for a bloody tranny.
In reply to Post #1
Loads of these competitions around these days so obviously they do make money, but there are significant costs to take into account, like the cost of the items being raffled and the admin costs etc... weird thing is, I get the impression that Pitchers isn't short of a few quid anyway (I think his fishery was his dad's originally)
Loads of these competitions around these days so obviously they do make money, but there are significant costs to take into account, like the cost of the items being raffled and the admin costs etc... weird thing is, I get the impression that Pitchers isn't short of a few quid anyway (I think his fishery was his dad's originally)
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Hes always had loads of money as used to know him when he had his shop carp crazy as its not far from me. His parents were pretty well off so they set him up with the shop. The cost of the raffle items is a bit irrelevant when you making 10 times the initial outlay and there not that expensive in the first place other than the rt7 but even that is only 4k and he probably has an agreement with carplounge so wont pay for it until the money is in anyway.
Hes always had loads of money as used to know him when he had his shop carp crazy as its not far from me. His parents were pretty well off so they set him up with the shop. The cost of the raffle items is a bit irrelevant when you making 10 times the initial outlay and there not that expensive in the first place other than the rt7 but even that is only 4k and he probably has an agreement with carplounge so wont pay for it until the money is in anyway.
In reply to Post #3
How are you arriving at 'making 10x the initial outlay' ?
It looks more like 2x by my maths?
How are you arriving at 'making 10x the initial outlay' ?
It looks more like 2x by my maths?
At the end of the day its a business and part of that is making money, no one is raffeling off gear to help out the less fortunate folk. I suppose Marks profile helps bring in more punters and gives the business a more human face compared to other comp sites that are doing the same thing, that said there's plenty of them all doing the same thing so they must all be doing something right or is it going to be another online fad that fades out after a while.
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Rt7 cost 4k. Ticket cost £1 per ticket, so far 18000 tickets have been bought so £18000 currently made. I thought there were 35000 tickets available buts there 20000 so a possible £20000 income from that one raffle for a 4k bait boat. He has sold 4000 more tickets since i looked last night so it will easily hit its 20000 target. The 35000 tickets are for his ford transit which is £2 per ticket.
Rt7 cost 4k. Ticket cost £1 per ticket, so far 18000 tickets have been bought so £18000 currently made. I thought there were 35000 tickets available buts there 20000 so a possible £20000 income from that one raffle for a 4k bait boat. He has sold 4000 more tickets since i looked last night so it will easily hit its 20000 target. The 35000 tickets are for his ford transit which is £2 per ticket.
In reply to Post #6
Transit tickets are 99p. There's also about £5k in instant wins in that raffle.
3 people's wages/profit, P&P costs, website costs.... But yeh it looks like a great business model. Good luck to them I say, no one is being forced to buy tickets.
Transit tickets are 99p. There's also about £5k in instant wins in that raffle.
3 people's wages/profit, P&P costs, website costs.... But yeh it looks like a great business model. Good luck to them I say, no one is being forced to buy tickets.
In reply to Post #7
Totally agree, hope he makes a fortune, hes a decent bloke. I never knocked it, just said it generates a lot of money. I would never knock anyone who comes up with a good money making idea. I got a bit confused theres 75000 tickets at £1 each so still adds up to 75k. The jurasic carp hol is the one thats £2 a ticket.
Its a bit like that botb comp where you buy tickets to win Lamborghinis etc. Theres omaze ones now as well to win multi million pound mansions so it obviously generates lots of money.
Totally agree, hope he makes a fortune, hes a decent bloke. I never knocked it, just said it generates a lot of money. I would never knock anyone who comes up with a good money making idea. I got a bit confused theres 75000 tickets at £1 each so still adds up to 75k. The jurasic carp hol is the one thats £2 a ticket.
Its a bit like that botb comp where you buy tickets to win Lamborghinis etc. Theres omaze ones now as well to win multi million pound mansions so it obviously generates lots of money.
In reply to Post #8
Well I bit the bullet and bought some tickets last night. Had a text an hour later saying I'd won 3 Hi s rods. Cost me £5:85 for over £1500 worth of rods.
Just not sure what to do with them now!
Well I bit the bullet and bought some tickets last night. Had a text an hour later saying I'd won 3 Hi s rods. Cost me £5:85 for over £1500 worth of rods.
Just not sure what to do with them now!
In reply to Post #9
congratulations
congratulations
In reply to Post #9
Happy days 👍🏻 just bought a tennas worth of tickets for the rt7
Happy days 👍🏻 just bought a tennas worth of tickets for the rt7
As long as he has the correct licence from the gambling commission I guess he has a much right as any to profit from it.
https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/public-and-players/guide/fundraising-prize-draws-raffles-and-lotteries
Hopefully he has the same safeguards in place that online bookies (should) do to protect people from going over the top. I would imagine the angling fraternity has its fair share of those with a gambling problem.
I had a go, won nothing for £20. Might have another go in the future. I have p*** poor luck with all lottery, raffles, horses, dogs, dice, cards, bingo, fruit, camels. I'm hoping it's all saving up for one big eventual windfall.
https://www.gamblingcommission.gov.uk/public-and-players/guide/fundraising-prize-draws-raffles-and-lotteries
Hopefully he has the same safeguards in place that online bookies (should) do to protect people from going over the top. I would imagine the angling fraternity has its fair share of those with a gambling problem.
I had a go, won nothing for £20. Might have another go in the future. I have p*** poor luck with all lottery, raffles, horses, dogs, dice, cards, bingo, fruit, camels. I'm hoping it's all saving up for one big eventual windfall.
In reply to Post #9
I'll give you £6 for them.
Nice little profit for you there...
I'll give you £6 for them.
Nice little profit for you there...
In reply to Post #13
Interesting how no one else is getting into this, gambling has always been a big part of spending money for people. Why sell 5kg of boilies for 50 if he is selling them for 1000?
Interesting how no one else is getting into this, gambling has always been a big part of spending money for people. Why sell 5kg of boilies for 50 if he is selling them for 1000?
In reply to Post #5
raffeling off gear to help out the less fortunate folk
I hope this was sarcasm. Gambling does not help out people who can afford things
raffeling off gear to help out the less fortunate folk
I hope this was sarcasm. Gambling does not help out people who can afford things
Thought i would help him out a bit. Just bought a £20 worth of tickets for his transet and the rt7 🤞
In reply to Post #15
you've taken that a bit of of context, what i said was
'no one is raffeling off gear to help out the less fortunate folk'
as in the op saying about how much money it appears to make. There main objective as a business is to make money. So you can maybe get a new set of rods for 39p not because they want to provide rods to someone for cheep but because offering a set of rods to how ever many people turns a tidy profit for them.
and no gambling does not help people who cant afford things but it does turn over a decent chunk of money for the ones providing the service.
you've taken that a bit of of context, what i said was
'no one is raffeling off gear to help out the less fortunate folk'
as in the op saying about how much money it appears to make. There main objective as a business is to make money. So you can maybe get a new set of rods for 39p not because they want to provide rods to someone for cheep but because offering a set of rods to how ever many people turns a tidy profit for them.
and no gambling does not help people who cant afford things but it does turn over a decent chunk of money for the ones providing the service.
I'll leave this here -- https://www.begambleaware.org
In reply to Post #17
Ahh gotcha. I read it wrong. These sites do prey on people who can't afford things. The odds are often atrocious. The omaze ones seem the absolute worst. Seems they have unlimited amounts of tickets, constantly advertise the raffle is ending soon and it never does.
I have a flutter every now and again to win the odd prize that I wouldn't be able to buy unless I won it. What baffles me is the ones where the prize is something like 5kg of boilies, and the tickets are a few quid. They seem to sell out, but who the hell is gambling a few quid to win £35 worth of bait at 50/1 odds and why.
Ahh gotcha. I read it wrong. These sites do prey on people who can't afford things. The odds are often atrocious. The omaze ones seem the absolute worst. Seems they have unlimited amounts of tickets, constantly advertise the raffle is ending soon and it never does.
I have a flutter every now and again to win the odd prize that I wouldn't be able to buy unless I won it. What baffles me is the ones where the prize is something like 5kg of boilies, and the tickets are a few quid. They seem to sell out, but who the hell is gambling a few quid to win £35 worth of bait at 50/1 odds and why.
In reply to Post #19
I think its a bit of a grey area in gambling law where they operate and that's why you have to answer a really easy question to enter.
Don't get me wrong I have the odd go on there when something catches my fancy but to my recollection i dont remember seeing any gamble aware posts on there when i've played in the past.
I think its a bit of a grey area in gambling law where they operate and that's why you have to answer a really easy question to enter.
Don't get me wrong I have the odd go on there when something catches my fancy but to my recollection i dont remember seeing any gamble aware posts on there when i've played in the past.
In reply to Post #17
Totally agree. It's called taking advantage of the unfortunate. Any angler putting their name to this should look at themselves in the mirror.
Totally agree. It's called taking advantage of the unfortunate. Any angler putting their name to this should look at themselves in the mirror.
In reply to Post #21
Not a dissimilar business model to the National Lottery, but at least from what i've read here this guy offers you better odds for a decent prize.
Not a dissimilar business model to the National Lottery, but at least from what i've read here this guy offers you better odds for a decent prize.
In reply to Post #22
Unless a Mark Pitchers fronted carp raffle is now state-franchised and legally bound to pass revenue to the UK Government and a Parliament approved Community Fund I would argue that that they are dissimilar business models.
Unless a Mark Pitchers fronted carp raffle is now state-franchised and legally bound to pass revenue to the UK Government and a Parliament approved Community Fund I would argue that that they are dissimilar business models.
In reply to Post #20
Pretty sure I saw a documentary on gambling in the UK and the reason for the easy question is something like. If you charge to buy a ticket and then pick a winner at random it is classed as a lottery and you need to have a lottery license to trade in this way. Which I believe is expensive and regulated.
However if you ask a question it becomes a game of skill, or knowledge and is therefore not a lottery and you don't need to have the lottery license.
There was a grey area around what is a sufficiently difficult question and it was all very subjective. The only bit I can remember was something like, if the question can easily be "googled" and the answer found easily that would probably not be deemed as sufficiently difficult. Or if the question was just obvious.
Pretty sure I saw a documentary on gambling in the UK and the reason for the easy question is something like. If you charge to buy a ticket and then pick a winner at random it is classed as a lottery and you need to have a lottery license to trade in this way. Which I believe is expensive and regulated.
However if you ask a question it becomes a game of skill, or knowledge and is therefore not a lottery and you don't need to have the lottery license.
There was a grey area around what is a sufficiently difficult question and it was all very subjective. The only bit I can remember was something like, if the question can easily be "googled" and the answer found easily that would probably not be deemed as sufficiently difficult. Or if the question was just obvious.
I don't have an issue with Mark Pitchers competition- but I don't like it or anything in this model. I work for a charity with various gaming licenses and really don't think they are properly regulated in the way big companies are.
Firstly let's not ever forget this is gambling- not fun playing chance, but prizes that bring usually unattainable prizes. The money is not reinvested for the good of angling so not like the national lottery. The amount of tickets is pure greed, you take the trade cost of the item (not retail) and then sell tickets to X times the value.
There are a few where they just cover costs and make a reasonable profit, I can see the fun in that.
For me this stinks - the OMaze lifestyle prize draw, where someone on thier arse spends £100 for a 1 in XXk chance of winning a Porsche and a house in Wales makes me sad. I get aspirational thinking, but not for me.
Not a single gamble aware mention on the site that I can see. Check the odds against the trade value of a product and think to yourselves, if you and 11 mates all went to your local shop and said those £1k rods, how about we all give you £300 and you pick a name out of a hat - he'd say so you're gonna give me £3600.00 for a set of rods that cost me £500.00 yep I'm up for that boys!
Firstly let's not ever forget this is gambling- not fun playing chance, but prizes that bring usually unattainable prizes. The money is not reinvested for the good of angling so not like the national lottery. The amount of tickets is pure greed, you take the trade cost of the item (not retail) and then sell tickets to X times the value.
There are a few where they just cover costs and make a reasonable profit, I can see the fun in that.
For me this stinks - the OMaze lifestyle prize draw, where someone on thier arse spends £100 for a 1 in XXk chance of winning a Porsche and a house in Wales makes me sad. I get aspirational thinking, but not for me.
Not a single gamble aware mention on the site that I can see. Check the odds against the trade value of a product and think to yourselves, if you and 11 mates all went to your local shop and said those £1k rods, how about we all give you £300 and you pick a name out of a hat - he'd say so you're gonna give me £3600.00 for a set of rods that cost me £500.00 yep I'm up for that boys!
In reply to Post #25
The lottery pays a fraction of its takings to charity now compared to what it did when it first started. Believe omaze pay 15% of its profits after the top people have had their huge salaries. While many charities do a lot of good many are headed by a CEO and board of directors on big salaries that they would not earn working in the private sector.
The lottery pays a fraction of its takings to charity now compared to what it did when it first started. Believe omaze pay 15% of its profits after the top people have had their huge salaries. While many charities do a lot of good many are headed by a CEO and board of directors on big salaries that they would not earn working in the private sector.
In reply to Post #26
They declare approx 28p on the £1 to charity now. Big sums when they add up, a lot of which goes to grass roots sports.
In 1994 the National lottery declared that 25% went to charity.
https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/lln-2015-0049/
28p is better than 25p no?
They declare approx 28p on the £1 to charity now. Big sums when they add up, a lot of which goes to grass roots sports.
In 1994 the National lottery declared that 25% went to charity.
https://lordslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/lln-2015-0049/
28p is better than 25p no?
In reply to Post #26
Sorry I'm a bit lost - what bit are you replying to?
I don't doubt anything you say but any money to charity is better than nothing - hardly the same as a competition with none. I don't like the omaze model as I maybe know too much about it.
Personally I just don't like seeing others gamble what they can't afford - but that's not for me to decide what they can and can't do, just that bit of me that things - ah man.
Sorry I'm a bit lost - what bit are you replying to?
I don't doubt anything you say but any money to charity is better than nothing - hardly the same as a competition with none. I don't like the omaze model as I maybe know too much about it.
Personally I just don't like seeing others gamble what they can't afford - but that's not for me to decide what they can and can't do, just that bit of me that things - ah man.
In reply to Post #1
Is this his main venture now? Judging by the "content" Fox are putting out on social media, you'd think they could not care less about marketing.
Is this his main venture now? Judging by the "content" Fox are putting out on social media, you'd think they could not care less about marketing.
In reply to Post #27
Dig deeper and go back further,
Dig deeper and go back further,
In reply to Post #25
Why should we worry about the trade price they are getting the prizes for? It doesn't matter if they're getting them for free to us as players/consumers does it. Their profit margin is irrelevant - We know the prize, we know the odds and we know the cost of ticket, all the info is there to make a decision if that appeals or not - if it does I buy a ticket, if it doesn't then I don't (I mostly don't, but occasionally do)
On your other points though, I fully accept that I'm not a compulsive gambler, and some people are....
Why should we worry about the trade price they are getting the prizes for? It doesn't matter if they're getting them for free to us as players/consumers does it. Their profit margin is irrelevant - We know the prize, we know the odds and we know the cost of ticket, all the info is there to make a decision if that appeals or not - if it does I buy a ticket, if it doesn't then I don't (I mostly don't, but occasionally do)
On your other points though, I fully accept that I'm not a compulsive gambler, and some people are....
In reply to Post #31
Fair enough
Just my opinion that the trade price matters as it adds significantly to the margin and the illusion of the win big.
People talk about overheads of running these type of competition- it's no different from a shop - the margin is on the product anyway. Like I say it's the way I am, when stood at the checkout in the local store and the person with a baby in a pram buys the value bread and a couple of scratch cards, my heart sinks, knowing the hope it brings for those few moments.
It's pyramid selling for me - with a huge slice of profit - but appreciate it's a successful business model and like most hinge a passing fad
Fair enough
Just my opinion that the trade price matters as it adds significantly to the margin and the illusion of the win big.
People talk about overheads of running these type of competition- it's no different from a shop - the margin is on the product anyway. Like I say it's the way I am, when stood at the checkout in the local store and the person with a baby in a pram buys the value bread and a couple of scratch cards, my heart sinks, knowing the hope it brings for those few moments.
It's pyramid selling for me - with a huge slice of profit - but appreciate it's a successful business model and like most hinge a passing fad
In reply to Post #30
The National Lottery only launched in the UK in 1994.
The National Lottery only launched in the UK in 1994.
In reply to Post #33
Sure I read prior to Camelot running it it paid out 40% then Camelot reduced it to 25% but the current operators have increased it on paper but fact is the cost to play has risen increasing the revenue and salaries for the operators.
Sure I read prior to Camelot running it it paid out 40% then Camelot reduced it to 25% but the current operators have increased it on paper but fact is the cost to play has risen increasing the revenue and salaries for the operators.
In reply to Post #34
Camelot ran it from its launch in 1994
Never mind...
Camelot ran it from its launch in 1994
Never mind...
In reply to Post #35
Wasn't it once a week when it started? So even if it was 40% it wasn't of very much (relatively) whereas now its 28% of an awful lot more draws, scratchcards, instant win games on the app, etc, etc
Anyways, buy a ticket or don't 🤷🏻♀️
I bet his new van will cost a lot more than 35k......
Wasn't it once a week when it started? So even if it was 40% it wasn't of very much (relatively) whereas now its 28% of an awful lot more draws, scratchcards, instant win games on the app, etc, etc
Anyways, buy a ticket or don't 🤷🏻♀️
I bet his new van will cost a lot more than 35k......
Got absolutely nothing against Mark and his mate doing the competition's
Entered plenty myself on and off but yet to win
What I don't like is the add on's to a comp, Win a hundred tickets for say a bivvy
Entered plenty myself on and off but yet to win
What I don't like is the add on's to a comp, Win a hundred tickets for say a bivvy
In reply to Post #26
Not entirely true! There are a few national / international charities that do employ CEO's & other staff on very high salaries but they are very few and far between especially when you look at the number of charities across the UK. It's very rare that directors or trustees of a charity receive a salary. I'm a CEO of a mid-size charity in Cornwall, have been for nearly 15 years now and I can assure you that my salary is nothing compared to those working in a similar role in the private sector - it's a vocation, definitely not a job if you want to get rich! And for what it's worth 85% of the funding we received last year (£1.65m) went to direct delivery of projects working with vulnerable young people.
Anyway, lottery wise, the amount given to charities has dwindled over the years and it's incredibly competitive to win a grant. We have successfully drawn down lottery funding since 1994 and so, in some ways I win it every month as it contributes to my salary. The fact is though that lottery money now goes to organisations / agencies that really should be funded by the government & not those people buying a ticket once or twice a week. It has become a method of funding programmes and projects that should be centrally funded - even schools can apply for certain lottery funding! Nothing whatsoever to do with the topic so apologies for that!
Not entirely true! There are a few national / international charities that do employ CEO's & other staff on very high salaries but they are very few and far between especially when you look at the number of charities across the UK. It's very rare that directors or trustees of a charity receive a salary. I'm a CEO of a mid-size charity in Cornwall, have been for nearly 15 years now and I can assure you that my salary is nothing compared to those working in a similar role in the private sector - it's a vocation, definitely not a job if you want to get rich! And for what it's worth 85% of the funding we received last year (£1.65m) went to direct delivery of projects working with vulnerable young people.
Anyway, lottery wise, the amount given to charities has dwindled over the years and it's incredibly competitive to win a grant. We have successfully drawn down lottery funding since 1994 and so, in some ways I win it every month as it contributes to my salary. The fact is though that lottery money now goes to organisations / agencies that really should be funded by the government & not those people buying a ticket once or twice a week. It has become a method of funding programmes and projects that should be centrally funded - even schools can apply for certain lottery funding! Nothing whatsoever to do with the topic so apologies for that!
In reply to Post #38
Google is your friend, there's a lot more receiving a salary than you are making out. You may not be, but lots of others do and i mean lots, it's a scandal that certain papers are writing about.
Take a look at the RSPCA, now that's a can of worms opened.
Google is your friend, there's a lot more receiving a salary than you are making out. You may not be, but lots of others do and i mean lots, it's a scandal that certain papers are writing about.
Take a look at the RSPCA, now that's a can of worms opened.
In reply to Post #39
Perhaps freeing captive worms from cans is part of their remit?
If not, then why not?
Perhaps freeing captive worms from cans is part of their remit?
If not, then why not?
In reply to Post #40
Charity is no longer charity they are all con merchant businesses with CEO,s on fortunes .A relative of mine stopped his donations to the RSPCA 30 years ago due to the top brass all getting new mercs.Even McMillan is a con they just rake in millions and do very little other than rake in more .My wife found them useless after recently beating cancer and others say the same .All you see are their fund raisers and fancy pretend adverts .I refuse to give any charity money as it doesn't get where it's supposed to .The whole industry is crooked
Charity is no longer charity they are all con merchant businesses with CEO,s on fortunes .A relative of mine stopped his donations to the RSPCA 30 years ago due to the top brass all getting new mercs.Even McMillan is a con they just rake in millions and do very little other than rake in more .My wife found them useless after recently beating cancer and others say the same .All you see are their fund raisers and fancy pretend adverts .I refuse to give any charity money as it doesn't get where it's supposed to .The whole industry is crooked
In reply to Post #41
We had a very different experience with the MacMillan Nurses. They were brilliant and I have happily donated ever since.
We had a very different experience with the MacMillan Nurses. They were brilliant and I have happily donated ever since.
In reply to Post #42
It's not the nurses though it's those at the top ,majority of them on big salaries. Talk to any NHS nurse or doctor and see what they think of the management structure.
It's not the nurses though it's those at the top ,majority of them on big salaries. Talk to any NHS nurse or doctor and see what they think of the management structure.
In reply to Post #41
The only charity which I donate to now is the Angling Trust. Angling is facing far greater challenges than most.
The only charity which I donate to now is the Angling Trust. Angling is facing far greater challenges than most.
In reply to Post #39
As I said, there are a few national / international charities that pay their CEO's a lot of money. I'm not disputing that but, when you look at the amount of charities that actually exist, the number that pay inflated salaries is very low. As for directors & trustees receiving salaries, which I assume you are referring to (?), I can only speak from my own experience and knowledge of a lot of charities and their boards (albeit on a local / regional level) that trustees and directors very rarely get paid. I do however, admit that my knowledge of national charities and their pay arrangements for board members is limited - as someone who has worked in the sector for over 30 years it's really disheartening that the view of charities is so jaded and critical (maybe deserved?) - all I know is that we work tirelessly to support the most vulnerable in our society and on pay levels that do not match the private or public sector by any stretch of the imagination.
Instead of googling, it's worth checking out the charity commission website which will identify the number of employees being paid over £60k a year in any given charity. Yes, the national / international charities tend to pay above that but certainly not those organisations who will be providing essential services in your community.
As I said, there are a few national / international charities that pay their CEO's a lot of money. I'm not disputing that but, when you look at the amount of charities that actually exist, the number that pay inflated salaries is very low. As for directors & trustees receiving salaries, which I assume you are referring to (?), I can only speak from my own experience and knowledge of a lot of charities and their boards (albeit on a local / regional level) that trustees and directors very rarely get paid. I do however, admit that my knowledge of national charities and their pay arrangements for board members is limited - as someone who has worked in the sector for over 30 years it's really disheartening that the view of charities is so jaded and critical (maybe deserved?) - all I know is that we work tirelessly to support the most vulnerable in our society and on pay levels that do not match the private or public sector by any stretch of the imagination.
Instead of googling, it's worth checking out the charity commission website which will identify the number of employees being paid over £60k a year in any given charity. Yes, the national / international charities tend to pay above that but certainly not those organisations who will be providing essential services in your community.
In reply to Post #44
Angling facing greater challenges than cancer patients? I'm not sure those receiving macmillan care would see it that way...
My own - indirect experience of them (macmillan) is very positive and as a result of the way they looked after a very good friend of mine, I also now donate monthly.
As for some - not all - charity CEO's being less scrupulous, of course it leaves a nasty taste. However some money getting through is better than none at all. As previously posted by nicksmith (no relation) , we're in a position where we need charities to pick up the huge shortfall from lack of government / state investment and support.
Angling facing greater challenges than cancer patients? I'm not sure those receiving macmillan care would see it that way...
My own - indirect experience of them (macmillan) is very positive and as a result of the way they looked after a very good friend of mine, I also now donate monthly.
As for some - not all - charity CEO's being less scrupulous, of course it leaves a nasty taste. However some money getting through is better than none at all. As previously posted by nicksmith (no relation) , we're in a position where we need charities to pick up the huge shortfall from lack of government / state investment and support.
In reply to Post #45
I think a lot of the donations are wasted and not directed where they should be.
My Mrs used to be cabin crew for BA for 20+ years.
She said there were always charity employees (high up obviously) flying first class.
They are not buying those tickets from their own funds.
Not very charitable of them.
I think a lot of the donations are wasted and not directed where they should be.
My Mrs used to be cabin crew for BA for 20+ years.
She said there were always charity employees (high up obviously) flying first class.
They are not buying those tickets from their own funds.
Not very charitable of them.
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