There is always opinions on sleeping bags fleece lined plain lined and wearing warm clothing in a bag or wearing just thin layer etc etc
so
I would like to share my take and REASONS
it started years ago when I went on a trip to the Highlands in Scotland we decided to stop on route at Fort William Glen Nevis caravan and camp site as my partner wanted to go to the Top of Ben Nevis later that evening their was a very large club ? /group of climbing hikey type people
and they had organised speakers as our caravan was close to the tent field I wandered over and listened in to the survival guys talk he was showing these sleeping bags that people that are in to bondage will like lol
anyway he explained the important thing is if you wear clothes that insulate you from the cold then the sleeping bag cannot get warm !
as your stopping the heat from your body reaching the bag
and so it was important to take off any insulating clothes before getting in the sleeping bag
this then allows your body heat to warm the bag and that in turn will keep you warm its how a sleeping bag is at its most efficient
I wanted to shout out Fleece lined or plain ? but realised all their bags are plain dont think they make fleece lined ones ? do they ?
anyway IMO its all cobblers as yes for the first 2 to 3 mins fleece does feel warmer when you first get in thats all it takes
and I honestly believer PLAIN bags 10 to 15 mins in they get warmer i'm convinced
just saying
so
I would like to share my take and REASONS
it started years ago when I went on a trip to the Highlands in Scotland we decided to stop on route at Fort William Glen Nevis caravan and camp site as my partner wanted to go to the Top of Ben Nevis later that evening their was a very large club ? /group of climbing hikey type people
and they had organised speakers as our caravan was close to the tent field I wandered over and listened in to the survival guys talk he was showing these sleeping bags that people that are in to bondage will like lol
anyway he explained the important thing is if you wear clothes that insulate you from the cold then the sleeping bag cannot get warm !
as your stopping the heat from your body reaching the bag
and so it was important to take off any insulating clothes before getting in the sleeping bag
this then allows your body heat to warm the bag and that in turn will keep you warm its how a sleeping bag is at its most efficient
I wanted to shout out Fleece lined or plain ? but realised all their bags are plain dont think they make fleece lined ones ? do they ?
anyway IMO its all cobblers as yes for the first 2 to 3 mins fleece does feel warmer when you first get in thats all it takes
and I honestly believer PLAIN bags 10 to 15 mins in they get warmer i'm convinced
just saying
In reply to Post #1
Whilst I'm sure it's true that wearing insulated clothing is
Going to slow the bag heating. Well it should if the clothing
Is doing its job. However No clothing is holding all the heat. Or we would get
too warm while fishing.
When I get in my bag wearing all my warm clothes that I had on all night I'm
Immediatly toasty. An hour later I'm roasting and the snugpak softie has to come off.
The sleeping bag IS making me warmer even I its only really working as another layer.
But after a while the outside of the thermal clothing is hot and the bag is very warm. So whilst it may have taken a bit longer to warm the bag I was toasty anyway in my clothing, and also have the benefit
Of being dressed already for when a fish bites.
Whilst I'm sure it's true that wearing insulated clothing is
Going to slow the bag heating. Well it should if the clothing
Is doing its job. However No clothing is holding all the heat. Or we would get
too warm while fishing.
When I get in my bag wearing all my warm clothes that I had on all night I'm
Immediatly toasty. An hour later I'm roasting and the snugpak softie has to come off.
The sleeping bag IS making me warmer even I its only really working as another layer.
But after a while the outside of the thermal clothing is hot and the bag is very warm. So whilst it may have taken a bit longer to warm the bag I was toasty anyway in my clothing, and also have the benefit
Of being dressed already for when a fish bites.
After many years and many hours in many different bags I'm finally happy with my comfort level in the colder months now modern tec has provided me with the solution I no longer take the hot water bottle with me, I appreciate we all have different views on what suits one may not suit another or preferences but to continue the colder darker months fishing overnight as I'm getting older I was in my Nash all season SS3 Saturday night for 8 hours when it dropped to just below freezing, I had the Nash electric blanket plugged in to my RM powerpac most of the night from just before getting in the bag, I had it set on the lowest setting "green" hardly used any battery on the RM still all four lights lit in the morning after 8 hours from being switched on , bagged my first carp of the year 28lb (old fish a repeat from 4 years ago at 33lb) I slept just in my thermals and Aqua socks when I would normally jump in with that and joggers and a hoody, I had to strip off to the thermals as I was that warm, a sight to behold at 1am in the morning when I had the take so a good job I was on my own, I was fishing from the hide so woke up Sunday morning no wet bivvy to pack only net, sling and mat then away and home by 10am to a cooked breakfast by the bread knife. 
I'm a cold weather angler, and have been for years.
My first winter bag was a Polar model that I got from a camping shop, purple it was, previous to that I had a thin summer bag that in winter would zip into a larger 'mountain' bag.
When that died I bought a Coleman Polar -12 sleeping bag.
I'm on probably the 4th winter bag now, and the least warmest in winter was a Wychwood Morpheus. I was forever getting cold feet, once the hot water bottle had cooled down, my feet would freeze.
I'm now using a Rod Hutchinson All Season bag with an Ultimate Cover and last night when I checked at about 7pm it was -4⁰C.
I was warm and toastie in the bag.
Clothing wise, combat trousers, socks, t-shirt and Norgie.
I did sit up with my fleece jacket on while reading a book, but as soon as I finished reading took it off and snuggled down.
The RH bag has a fleece upper, and smooth base.
Now as a point of note, powerpacks do not particularly like winter, and will often slow down charging or supplying power in colder temperatures
My first winter bag was a Polar model that I got from a camping shop, purple it was, previous to that I had a thin summer bag that in winter would zip into a larger 'mountain' bag.
When that died I bought a Coleman Polar -12 sleeping bag.
I'm on probably the 4th winter bag now, and the least warmest in winter was a Wychwood Morpheus. I was forever getting cold feet, once the hot water bottle had cooled down, my feet would freeze.
I'm now using a Rod Hutchinson All Season bag with an Ultimate Cover and last night when I checked at about 7pm it was -4⁰C.
I was warm and toastie in the bag.
Clothing wise, combat trousers, socks, t-shirt and Norgie.
I did sit up with my fleece jacket on while reading a book, but as soon as I finished reading took it off and snuggled down.
The RH bag has a fleece upper, and smooth base.
Now as a point of note, powerpacks do not particularly like winter, and will often slow down charging or supplying power in colder temperatures
In reply to Post #4
I fished last night with a Nash 5 season bed chair wide boy sleep system thing. I use a hot water bottle too but soon found I was too warm!
I use a self inflating mattress too and I'm convinced that extra layer underneath helps stop the cold rising up from below...
I fished last night with a Nash 5 season bed chair wide boy sleep system thing. I use a hot water bottle too but soon found I was too warm!
I use a self inflating mattress too and I'm convinced that extra layer underneath helps stop the cold rising up from below...
Its a subjective debate based on how much you feel the cold i guess .... but ive never bought into the "less clothes is better" theory in a sleeping bag for keeping warm .... Whenever i see documentaries on extreme cold conditions (Killamanjero etc) they wear multiple layers in bed
In reply to Post #6
I've switched to a Trakker 365 this year and most nights have been in shorts and t-shirt. One thing I have done is put a layer of the insulation stuff Hello Fresh deliveries are wrapped in on top of the mattress as extra insulation. Seems to work well.
I've switched to a Trakker 365 this year and most nights have been in shorts and t-shirt. One thing I have done is put a layer of the insulation stuff Hello Fresh deliveries are wrapped in on top of the mattress as extra insulation. Seems to work well.
In reply to Post #6
Yeah, but like you said extreme cold. We don't often fish in minus double figures!
Yeah, but like you said extreme cold. We don't often fish in minus double figures!
I just wear a hoody and joggers in bed with Snugpak thermals if it's mega cold. Fish year round and I'm fine through the winter in a Nash SS3 5 season. If I get a run in on a winter night and need to get in the boat to land it I want more on than a pair of underpants
In reply to Post #8
no, absolutely ... but some people do feel very cold still, even if we dont experience extreme cold
no, absolutely ... but some people do feel very cold still, even if we dont experience extreme cold
In reply to Post #6
I initially thought the same. However, I suspect the main reason for that is because at extremely low temperatures, at high altitudes, you'd probably be frozen solid (literally in some cases) before you can get all your layers off and get into a sleeping bag - there are sleeping bags available which are rated to -50 to -60 degrees C after all. The only reason I can see for sleeping in the buff would be warmer than whilst wearing layers is if those layers had a degree of moisture which caused the synthetic insulation to become moistened which would markedly affect the thermal qualities.
I do not buy into the thought that wearing layers stops body heat heating the sleeping bag. That doesn't make sense and goes against the basic premise of a layering system which has historically allowed humans to survive for extended periods in the coldest temperatures on earth - the sleeping, in this case, being analogous to a down suit.
I initially thought the same. However, I suspect the main reason for that is because at extremely low temperatures, at high altitudes, you'd probably be frozen solid (literally in some cases) before you can get all your layers off and get into a sleeping bag - there are sleeping bags available which are rated to -50 to -60 degrees C after all. The only reason I can see for sleeping in the buff would be warmer than whilst wearing layers is if those layers had a degree of moisture which caused the synthetic insulation to become moistened which would markedly affect the thermal qualities.
I do not buy into the thought that wearing layers stops body heat heating the sleeping bag. That doesn't make sense and goes against the basic premise of a layering system which has historically allowed humans to survive for extended periods in the coldest temperatures on earth - the sleeping, in this case, being analogous to a down suit.
In summer I sleep in shorts a tee shirt in winter obviously a bit different in sub zero icy cold winds
if you read post one ?
nobody said anything about sleeping in the buff as some put it
its says dont get in the bag wearing clothes that insulate you from the cold as the sleeping bag cannot get warm ! jogging bottoms etc wont fall in that category
makes perfect sense to me and it has worked for me for qute a few years in PROPER cold while fishing in europe
one of my previous bags was a trakker 365 thats was way to warm unless it was really cold and so heavy and bulky
if you read post one ?
nobody said anything about sleeping in the buff as some put it
its says dont get in the bag wearing clothes that insulate you from the cold as the sleeping bag cannot get warm ! jogging bottoms etc wont fall in that category
makes perfect sense to me and it has worked for me for qute a few years in PROPER cold while fishing in europe
one of my previous bags was a trakker 365 thats was way to warm unless it was really cold and so heavy and bulky
In reply to Post #12
What do you mean insulates you from the cold? You seem to be suggesting clothes which do not allow heat to pass through them, hence not allowing for the transfer of heat from one side of the garment into the air between the garment and the sleeping bag?
What do you mean insulates you from the cold? You seem to be suggesting clothes which do not allow heat to pass through them, hence not allowing for the transfer of heat from one side of the garment into the air between the garment and the sleeping bag?
In reply to Post #12
Joggers and hoody in the bag. Always take off any bib n brace & coat.. few weeks back all tucked in the old pertex bag it froze over on me, never had a clue till I opened the door,
Joggers and hoody in the bag. Always take off any bib n brace & coat.. few weeks back all tucked in the old pertex bag it froze over on me, never had a clue till I opened the door,
In reply to Post #13
read post one please mate
read post one please mate
In reply to Post #15
I have. You appear to be suggesting that wearing an insulating layer within an insulating layer can somehow make you colder than just using only the outer insulating layer. The only way I can see this being feasible is if the inner insulating layer introduces moisture into the system which negatively affects the insulating properties of both the inner and out layer to the point that the thermal capacity of both layers combined is reduced below the dry thermal capacity of the outer layer only.
If the inner layer (clothing) has a thermal capacity equal to 1 and the outer layer (sleeping bag) has a thermal capacity equal to 1, then the combined thermal capacity would be;
1 + 1 = 2
If you say that a degree of moisture in each layer reduces the thermal capacity of a layer by 60%, then a "moist" combination of the layers becomes;
(0.4 x 1) + (0.4 x 1) = 0.8
and thus the combined "moist" system would be colder than the sleeping bag alone. Mechanically I can not see a way in which one thermal layer can be warmer than two thermal layers which are operating at full capacity. Logically, it doesn't make sense.
As far as lined/unlined sleeping bags go, I believe I read somewhere that lined sleeping bags perform better "worn" next to the skin rather than over clothes because the fibres stimulate the nerves in the skin which encourages blood flow and thus heating. I believe this is the entire premise of the pile lining of Buffalo clothing which is renowned for being almost too warm even when worn alone.
I have. You appear to be suggesting that wearing an insulating layer within an insulating layer can somehow make you colder than just using only the outer insulating layer. The only way I can see this being feasible is if the inner insulating layer introduces moisture into the system which negatively affects the insulating properties of both the inner and out layer to the point that the thermal capacity of both layers combined is reduced below the dry thermal capacity of the outer layer only.
If the inner layer (clothing) has a thermal capacity equal to 1 and the outer layer (sleeping bag) has a thermal capacity equal to 1, then the combined thermal capacity would be;
1 + 1 = 2
If you say that a degree of moisture in each layer reduces the thermal capacity of a layer by 60%, then a "moist" combination of the layers becomes;
(0.4 x 1) + (0.4 x 1) = 0.8
and thus the combined "moist" system would be colder than the sleeping bag alone. Mechanically I can not see a way in which one thermal layer can be warmer than two thermal layers which are operating at full capacity. Logically, it doesn't make sense.
As far as lined/unlined sleeping bags go, I believe I read somewhere that lined sleeping bags perform better "worn" next to the skin rather than over clothes because the fibres stimulate the nerves in the skin which encourages blood flow and thus heating. I believe this is the entire premise of the pile lining of Buffalo clothing which is renowned for being almost too warm even when worn alone.
In reply to Post #16
FFS ?
I am SIMPLY relaying what the mountaineering survival speaker was giving to a group of climbers at the Ben Nevis campsite about sleeping bags
MAYBE THE EXPERT DIDNT KNOW WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT ? AND YOU DO ?
and it makes perfect sense to me no more no less and I took notice and for many years its stood me in good stead I feel I have done more winter fishing than most on here since I have carp fished since the 60s and being single for the past 23 years fished at least 6 weeks a year abroad 2 or 3 of those weeks had to be taken in winter time
and most weeks here 2 or 3 nights more recently on the windswept freezing banks of the Trent
SO NOBODY is going to change my opinion about the best way to keep warm on the bank in sub zero temps and getting your sleeping bag to reflect your body heat back at you
you all have your opinions you all can make your own choices
FFS ?
I am SIMPLY relaying what the mountaineering survival speaker was giving to a group of climbers at the Ben Nevis campsite about sleeping bags
MAYBE THE EXPERT DIDNT KNOW WHAT HE WAS TALKING ABOUT ? AND YOU DO ?
and it makes perfect sense to me no more no less and I took notice and for many years its stood me in good stead I feel I have done more winter fishing than most on here since I have carp fished since the 60s and being single for the past 23 years fished at least 6 weeks a year abroad 2 or 3 of those weeks had to be taken in winter time
and most weeks here 2 or 3 nights more recently on the windswept freezing banks of the Trent
SO NOBODY is going to change my opinion about the best way to keep warm on the bank in sub zero temps and getting your sleeping bag to reflect your body heat back at you
you all have your opinions you all can make your own choices
I agree with post 15 in regards to it regards to two layers having additive effects.
Warming up the bag seems a bizzare principle to me as bag isn't there to be 'warmed' and transfer that heat back to you, it is there to trap a layer of insulating air, which I acknowledge will warm up, owing to the fact air is inherently insulating (think cavity wall) as will conduct heat far less than any solid.
As a simple example, if you put a coat on over a t-shirt or where a jumper to bed you don't become colder. The jumper retains some heat, the quilt retains some of what is lost through the jumper and reduces the temperature gradient.
I believe the principle in mountaineering is based on the fact that you will sweat given the nature of the activity and want to remove the damp layers (both sweat and from the atmosphere) prior to stopping all activity and getting into the bag. And I fully agree that if you go to bed fully dressed and subsequently get hot (as the layers are additive) and sweat then you'll end up colder, but if you're cold in a bag and put on a thermal layer you will get warmer. basically make sure anything you wear in the bag is breathable/wicking and that you don't start sweating.
If anyone has a really accurate digital thermometer they could test it will a contsiner of warm water stored inside 1 Vs 2 insulating layers....
Also you've started a 'debate' and then are shouting people down for having a differing opinion, don't see why it can't be a civilised discussion. My step dad has done a lot of extensive mountaineering (Mont Blanc, Matterhorn, etc. In his younger days), thankfully I have never seen any pictures of him naked in a bag...
Warming up the bag seems a bizzare principle to me as bag isn't there to be 'warmed' and transfer that heat back to you, it is there to trap a layer of insulating air, which I acknowledge will warm up, owing to the fact air is inherently insulating (think cavity wall) as will conduct heat far less than any solid.
As a simple example, if you put a coat on over a t-shirt or where a jumper to bed you don't become colder. The jumper retains some heat, the quilt retains some of what is lost through the jumper and reduces the temperature gradient.
I believe the principle in mountaineering is based on the fact that you will sweat given the nature of the activity and want to remove the damp layers (both sweat and from the atmosphere) prior to stopping all activity and getting into the bag. And I fully agree that if you go to bed fully dressed and subsequently get hot (as the layers are additive) and sweat then you'll end up colder, but if you're cold in a bag and put on a thermal layer you will get warmer. basically make sure anything you wear in the bag is breathable/wicking and that you don't start sweating.
If anyone has a really accurate digital thermometer they could test it will a contsiner of warm water stored inside 1 Vs 2 insulating layers....
Also you've started a 'debate' and then are shouting people down for having a differing opinion, don't see why it can't be a civilised discussion. My step dad has done a lot of extensive mountaineering (Mont Blanc, Matterhorn, etc. In his younger days), thankfully I have never seen any pictures of him naked in a bag...
In reply to Post #18
This is supported by a the top few websites from a quick Google search of 'should ai wear clothes in my sleeping bag' - although I have not looked into the validity of them as sources;
https://sectionhiker.com/is-it-warmer-to-sleeping-naked-in-sleeping-bag/
https://www.alpinetrek.co.uk/blog/how-to-sleeping-bag/#:~:text=So%2C%20in%20order%20to%20get,diminish%20the%20bag's%20insulating%20abilities.
This is supported by a the top few websites from a quick Google search of 'should ai wear clothes in my sleeping bag' - although I have not looked into the validity of them as sources;
https://sectionhiker.com/is-it-warmer-to-sleeping-naked-in-sleeping-bag/
https://www.alpinetrek.co.uk/blog/how-to-sleeping-bag/#:~:text=So%2C%20in%20order%20to%20get,diminish%20the%20bag's%20insulating%20abilities.
In reply to Post #18
I can just test it with my hands mate. Wearing my Snugpak and my Prologic insulated bib n brace with merino base under both. Once in in that bag for an hour or so and im reading , my hands may be quite cold. So i put them in the bag, and its roasting in there. The outside of my clothes are really warm.
In fact, because I do overnighters and don't want to be stripping off and getting dressed all the time I purposely use a big old bag that has no doubt t lost
Much of its thermal properties. Otherwise I would get too warm.
I always smile when I see an angler talking about a coat or a bag as being
'Too' warm. What's the use of that?
I made a mistake many years ago. I bought an Alpha Industires Down coat
whilst in the States. Thick down fill. Problem was even in January and even in New York I could only wear it with a Tshirt underneath. But when you go into a shop
Or bar etc, they are roasting. So then I had to take it off and then stand there cold in a Tshirt.
That's when I learnt about layering, why I won't buy the warmest single garment
Or the hottest sleeping bag.
I can just test it with my hands mate. Wearing my Snugpak and my Prologic insulated bib n brace with merino base under both. Once in in that bag for an hour or so and im reading , my hands may be quite cold. So i put them in the bag, and its roasting in there. The outside of my clothes are really warm.
In fact, because I do overnighters and don't want to be stripping off and getting dressed all the time I purposely use a big old bag that has no doubt t lost
Much of its thermal properties. Otherwise I would get too warm.
I always smile when I see an angler talking about a coat or a bag as being
'Too' warm. What's the use of that?
I made a mistake many years ago. I bought an Alpha Industires Down coat
whilst in the States. Thick down fill. Problem was even in January and even in New York I could only wear it with a Tshirt underneath. But when you go into a shop
Or bar etc, they are roasting. So then I had to take it off and then stand there cold in a Tshirt.
That's when I learnt about layering, why I won't buy the warmest single garment
Or the hottest sleeping bag.
In reply to Post #17
I'm not saying the expert, whoever he may be, is wrong. In fact, my previous post gives a very simplified example of a scenario in which he is very much correct. However, I am saying that your understanding of the why is limited or plain wrong. An example of this is suggesting that a sleeping bag, without the addition of a third party foil liner, reflects heat which shows a fundamental lack of understanding of how a sleeping bag works. If the expert did specifically mention the bag reflecting heat within the reason, are you sure he wasn't talking about surviving within a survival blanket/blizzard bag? I can very much see (and have actually experienced this) that wearing clothes within a blizzard bag would be detrimental because they don't breath so you want to reduce the amount of sweat generated within the bag (which condenses within the bag and cools the air down).
I'm not saying the expert, whoever he may be, is wrong. In fact, my previous post gives a very simplified example of a scenario in which he is very much correct. However, I am saying that your understanding of the why is limited or plain wrong. An example of this is suggesting that a sleeping bag, without the addition of a third party foil liner, reflects heat which shows a fundamental lack of understanding of how a sleeping bag works. If the expert did specifically mention the bag reflecting heat within the reason, are you sure he wasn't talking about surviving within a survival blanket/blizzard bag? I can very much see (and have actually experienced this) that wearing clothes within a blizzard bag would be detrimental because they don't breath so you want to reduce the amount of sweat generated within the bag (which condenses within the bag and cools the air down).
In reply to Post #16
agree with that whole heartedly - however be buggered if i`m getting out of my sleeping bags in my shreddies when i get a take at 2am !!
agree with that whole heartedly - however be buggered if i`m getting out of my sleeping bags in my shreddies when i get a take at 2am !!
In reply to Post #22
I have no problem in getting out of a sleeping bag in summer in just shorts, but in winter I am going to be wearing combats trousers and a long sleeve top as a minimum. I can just about grab a jacket as I play a fish.
I have no problem in getting out of a sleeping bag in summer in just shorts, but in winter I am going to be wearing combats trousers and a long sleeve top as a minimum. I can just about grab a jacket as I play a fish.
In reply to Post #23
yes
I too have no problem in winter wearing a pair of jeans or joggers and a long sleeve fleece sweat shirt it does not restrict my body heat from warming the bag up nicely
in summer its shorts and tee shirt though
yes
I too have no problem in winter wearing a pair of jeans or joggers and a long sleeve fleece sweat shirt it does not restrict my body heat from warming the bag up nicely
in summer its shorts and tee shirt though
Having tried pre warming sleeping bags( both fleece and non fleece types) during winter session's I think it's largely a psychological benefit in the short term esp with non fleece bags. Once in the bag, as long as you're not constricted like a sardine and wear a light layer like combats& norge or base layer, body heat transfer should keep you toasty.
I often like to wear something quite raunchy in my sleeping bag.
In reply to Post #26
G string made from leadcore & a pva bag?
G string made from leadcore & a pva bag?
In reply to Post #27
The reason everyone gives advice to strip of before going in bag is because outdoor people, and especially the ones being around Fort William and the rest of Highlands will be wet 99% of the time... Wearing dry clothing will be just as warm as without, might take a few minutes maybe more to warm up sleeping bag properly. Having wet clothes on is different thing... Just having lets say a sleeping socks that you put on in the evening and take of in the morning will help a lot... One thing I am sure we will see more in the future are quilts instead of bag... Very practical in many situations... talking about fleece... hiking community uses fleece bag liners for extra warming up... So you get in a fleece liner and then in bag...
The reason everyone gives advice to strip of before going in bag is because outdoor people, and especially the ones being around Fort William and the rest of Highlands will be wet 99% of the time... Wearing dry clothing will be just as warm as without, might take a few minutes maybe more to warm up sleeping bag properly. Having wet clothes on is different thing... Just having lets say a sleeping socks that you put on in the evening and take of in the morning will help a lot... One thing I am sure we will see more in the future are quilts instead of bag... Very practical in many situations... talking about fleece... hiking community uses fleece bag liners for extra warming up... So you get in a fleece liner and then in bag...
In reply to Post #27
I ditch the fishnets in case i have to grab my stilletos if i have a run during the night.
I ditch the fishnets in case i have to grab my stilletos if i have a run during the night.
In reply to Post #26
I have a choice of 11 sleeping bags to choose from, from a very lightweight snugpak to a very heavy army surplus arctic bag. In fact all my bags are army surplus apart from two. And all are mummy style apart from four of them. Side zippers are a pain if you have to zip up and unzip, with a mummy style with a crash zip, the zip is always in front of you ready to get out quick as the bag twists and turns as you do whilst you sleep.
I find fleece lined ones a no-no, they may be warm to touch but a pain in the neck when you want to roll over and the fleece sticks to your clothing making the bag and your clothes "twist" making it uncomfortable. I have only ever had one fleece lined bag, and I'll never buy another one, I leave fleece to my home made pillow cover.
In Summer, I never use a bag and cannot see any need for one, I only use an army surplus heavy wool blanket, or a poncho liner, or a lightweight army surplus jungle bag opened out as a blanket, or just the bed chair cover and I fish like that from late Spring to maybe end of October but it depends on when Autumn finishes and Winter kicks in. The only reason I use the "jungle bag" is if mozzies are bad and then I zip myself in and pull the mozzie net over the opening at the top and stops the blighters going up my trouser legs if I have forgot to tuck the bottom of my trouser legs into my socks on a night when the mozzies come out.
When it comes to using my bags, I always use a cooler one than I need, the extra warmth comes from wearing a fleece etc. I want to be able to be straight out of the bag to hit a run without having to put clothes on as it's freezing outside and be able to play a fish for as long as it takes. Once netted then I may put extra clothes on if necessary. I will leave stripping off to get into a sleeping bag for campers etc, the only time they have to get up is to answer a call if nature.
If I have had to spend a while out of the bag and I'm freezing and shivering, then I get into the bag with all my clothes on, I don't want to waste body heat warming up the void in my bag and getting colder. Once I am cooking and it does not take long, then my outer jacket etc comes off and back down to my fleece or Norwegian top.
My army surplus bag is rated to -32c and I only use it unless temperatures are lower than about 3c, any higher and I'm cooking in the bag on a night. I find an army surplus bag for temperate areas best, with a SIM and a bedchair cover, it too is good enough when temperatures drop along with a goretex bivvy bag if need be.
I find fleece lined ones a no-no, they may be warm to touch but a pain in the neck when you want to roll over and the fleece sticks to your clothing making the bag and your clothes "twist" making it uncomfortable. I have only ever had one fleece lined bag, and I'll never buy another one, I leave fleece to my home made pillow cover.
In Summer, I never use a bag and cannot see any need for one, I only use an army surplus heavy wool blanket, or a poncho liner, or a lightweight army surplus jungle bag opened out as a blanket, or just the bed chair cover and I fish like that from late Spring to maybe end of October but it depends on when Autumn finishes and Winter kicks in. The only reason I use the "jungle bag" is if mozzies are bad and then I zip myself in and pull the mozzie net over the opening at the top and stops the blighters going up my trouser legs if I have forgot to tuck the bottom of my trouser legs into my socks on a night when the mozzies come out.
When it comes to using my bags, I always use a cooler one than I need, the extra warmth comes from wearing a fleece etc. I want to be able to be straight out of the bag to hit a run without having to put clothes on as it's freezing outside and be able to play a fish for as long as it takes. Once netted then I may put extra clothes on if necessary. I will leave stripping off to get into a sleeping bag for campers etc, the only time they have to get up is to answer a call if nature.
If I have had to spend a while out of the bag and I'm freezing and shivering, then I get into the bag with all my clothes on, I don't want to waste body heat warming up the void in my bag and getting colder. Once I am cooking and it does not take long, then my outer jacket etc comes off and back down to my fleece or Norwegian top.
My army surplus bag is rated to -32c and I only use it unless temperatures are lower than about 3c, any higher and I'm cooking in the bag on a night. I find an army surplus bag for temperate areas best, with a SIM and a bedchair cover, it too is good enough when temperatures drop along with a goretex bivvy bag if need be.
In reply to Post #26
Get yourself a camo mankini and camo crocs,people seem to leave you alone once they see you in this
Get yourself a camo mankini and camo crocs,people seem to leave you alone once they see you in this
In reply to Post #32
Nothing to do with keeping people away. You wear it because you like it,
Nothing to do with keeping people away. You wear it because you like it,
In reply to Post #33
Well yes there is that
Well yes there is that
In reply to Post #32
All well and good until the day you come across someone who rather likes it...
All well and good until the day you come across someone who rather likes it...
In reply to Post #35
Personally I favour a 25 tog duvet and a towling dressing gown when Inside the bivvy.
And a pair of tartan slippers for a run.
In the summer I'm o natural ,
And a pair of Skeetex for a run.
Old skool👍
Personally I favour a 25 tog duvet and a towling dressing gown when Inside the bivvy.
And a pair of tartan slippers for a run.
In the summer I'm o natural ,
And a pair of Skeetex for a run.
Old skool👍
In reply to Post #35
I can't see that happening with my pale,pimply ass
I can't see that happening with my pale,pimply ass
In reply to Post #31
You cannot beat the army surplus sleeping bags , I had the US three bag version with goretex cover , it was awesome and they last forever , the quality of the materials and zips is unreal.
You cannot beat the army surplus sleeping bags , I had the US three bag version with goretex cover , it was awesome and they last forever , the quality of the materials and zips is unreal.
If you get cold whilst fishing, try one of these; www.phdesigns.co.uk/hispar-1200-down-sleeping-bag
In reply to Post #39
Still cheaper than putting your heating on at home
Still cheaper than putting your heating on at home
In reply to Post #40
Cheaper to be out fishing for a week than staying at home full stop!
£10 on gas canisters for food and drink vs £15-20 on gas and electricity at home...
Food costs the same whether I'm at home or on the bank, in fact less when I'm fishing as I don't do chocolate munchies...
Cheaper to be out fishing for a week than staying at home full stop!
£10 on gas canisters for food and drink vs £15-20 on gas and electricity at home...
Food costs the same whether I'm at home or on the bank, in fact less when I'm fishing as I don't do chocolate munchies...
In reply to Post #41
If my circumstances ever change drastically I wouod happily sell up
And live in a converted Sprinter of the like and just fish.
If my circumstances ever change drastically I wouod happily sell up
And live in a converted Sprinter of the like and just fish.
In reply to Post #39
Hispar 1200 Down Sleeping Bag
Polar lightweight. Ideal for cutting loads or for expeditions that plan on moving fast in extreme conditions.
Typical Operating Temperature
-58°C / -72.4°F
Weight
1780g / 63oz
Price
£1,176.00
How much?
Hispar 1200 Down Sleeping Bag
Polar lightweight. Ideal for cutting loads or for expeditions that plan on moving fast in extreme conditions.
Typical Operating Temperature
-58°C / -72.4°F
Weight
1780g / 63oz
Price
£1,176.00
How much?
In reply to Post #43
Would be useless in the UK.
Would be useless in the UK.
The original Trakker Pertex is the perfect bag for this time of year........ 
In reply to Post #45
If only someone was selling one,hey Wayne 🤔
If only someone was selling one,hey Wayne 🤔
In reply to Post #43
If you spend another £959, you can buy a matching over bag which allows it to be used down to -82 deg C. Perfect for a mid-winter overnighter in Oxfordshire.
If you spend another £959, you can buy a matching over bag which allows it to be used down to -82 deg C. Perfect for a mid-winter overnighter in Oxfordshire.
In reply to Post #46
If only.......
If only.......
In reply to Post #28
Funny you say about quilts i use to take a small double with me when fishing, its was always more comfy than as a sleeping bag as felt less restricted.
Funny you say about quilts i use to take a small double with me when fishing, its was always more comfy than as a sleeping bag as felt less restricted.
In reply to Post #49
I agree... Surely there most be Korda Kwilt coming our way, you can thank me later Spoons 😂
I agree... Surely there most be Korda Kwilt coming our way, you can thank me later Spoons 😂
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10 or 15 tog quilts are peanuts in the supermarkets
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