That 'Otters and the real damage 'thread is getting lots and lots of attention from banned or non members ,.. you can see the activity a lot at night ?
In reply to Post #1
Need to be aware of anti angling people reading the forum and loading up with ammo
Maybe certain stuff needs to be in a secure members area.
Need to be aware of anti angling people reading the forum and loading up with ammo
Maybe certain stuff needs to be in a secure members area.
In reply to Post #2
I thought that as well,not just tonight ,but a lot of traffic on that one thread for the last few days ,over a week for sure,maybe more..
We all need to be awake to the woke..!
There's four on looking right now,couple of they are banned ,two reading the mentioned thread ..location says USA....(..Q ANON ,ANTIS..)..
I thought that as well,not just tonight ,but a lot of traffic on that one thread for the last few days ,over a week for sure,maybe more..
We all need to be awake to the woke..!
There's four on looking right now,couple of they are banned ,two reading the mentioned thread ..location says USA....(..Q ANON ,ANTIS..)..
In reply to Post #1
Me too, think it's time for a dose of truth of just what they have done!
Think I might give them something to read
Me too, think it's time for a dose of truth of just what they have done!
Think I might give them something to read
I've seen a few looking at the brollys and rats thread aswell.
Keep an eye on your brollies chaps/ladies....
I THINK new members get directed to certain posts at first (Karlos could confirm that) and with banned members I'm not sure you can see what they are looking at anyway? As they are banned they would see nothing.
Currently we have 119 "guests" viewing the forum, you have no idea what they are looking at.
Personally I wouldn't worry about it.
Keep an eye on your brollies chaps/ladies....
I THINK new members get directed to certain posts at first (Karlos could confirm that) and with banned members I'm not sure you can see what they are looking at anyway? As they are banned they would see nothing.
Currently we have 119 "guests" viewing the forum, you have no idea what they are looking at.
Personally I wouldn't worry about it.
In reply to Post #5
Cam,
I think although members may be banned, it stops posting rather than stops them totally reading the forum, although I'm not sure on that, can't remember, lol
Cam,
I think although members may be banned, it stops posting rather than stops them totally reading the forum, although I'm not sure on that, can't remember, lol
In reply to Post #1
if members are posting nothing but facts, i say, let people read them mate.
Half the non anglers haven't got a dam clue what damage otters do, so its good that proper country folk (anglers included) post real facts
i will add, we cant and wont have anti otter posts, it does us no good
if members are posting nothing but facts, i say, let people read them mate.
Half the non anglers haven't got a dam clue what damage otters do, so its good that proper country folk (anglers included) post real facts
i will add, we cant and wont have anti otter posts, it does us no good
In reply to Post #7
100%,,agree ...
Can't say much more than that 👍
100%,,agree ...
Can't say much more than that 👍
In reply to Post #7
Agree that anti otter posting won't do anyone any favours. Same goes for conspiracy theories and paranoia, doesn't show us in a good (sane) light.
However they proliferated they are here to stay now. It's not the otters fault, they've been here since the ice age and to anyone but anglers are an impressive apex predator to be revered.
The issue is that we have f***ed up our rivers to an extent that the natural fish stocks can no longer support such a voracious hunter.
If we want to fatten up an actual invasive species (carp) in still waters to a point where they are easy pickings for an otter then it's our responsibility to fence and protect them.
Restoring the health and implementing a stocking programme in rivers and fencing lakes is the only sensible solution. Praising roadkill helps nobody.
Agree that anti otter posting won't do anyone any favours. Same goes for conspiracy theories and paranoia, doesn't show us in a good (sane) light.
However they proliferated they are here to stay now. It's not the otters fault, they've been here since the ice age and to anyone but anglers are an impressive apex predator to be revered.
The issue is that we have f***ed up our rivers to an extent that the natural fish stocks can no longer support such a voracious hunter.
If we want to fatten up an actual invasive species (carp) in still waters to a point where they are easy pickings for an otter then it's our responsibility to fence and protect them.
Restoring the health and implementing a stocking programme in rivers and fencing lakes is the only sensible solution. Praising roadkill helps nobody.
In reply to Post #9
I very much agree.
Carp anglers can be a pretty hypocritical bunch at times when it comes to nature and the environment. As you say, it's the otter that is doing what's 'natural,' not the carp angler / fishery owner. We need to remember this.
And the continued mess when it comes to rivers AND beaches with pollution and mismanagement of waste is a disgrace.
I very much agree.
Carp anglers can be a pretty hypocritical bunch at times when it comes to nature and the environment. As you say, it's the otter that is doing what's 'natural,' not the carp angler / fishery owner. We need to remember this.
And the continued mess when it comes to rivers AND beaches with pollution and mismanagement of waste is a disgrace.
In reply to Post #10
could be why there is now a seal in Rochford res..
could be why there is now a seal in Rochford res..
In reply to Post #7
Evidence suggests "antis" ignore facts.
Evidence suggests "antis" ignore facts.
In reply to Post #12
They don't have to try to hard do they , Danny Fairbrass advocating along with others the dropping of leads will come back and bite the sport, all for greed.
If you stood on the bank and chucked in 12oz of lead you'd be breaking the law and be prosecuted.
They don't have to try to hard do they , Danny Fairbrass advocating along with others the dropping of leads will come back and bite the sport, all for greed.
If you stood on the bank and chucked in 12oz of lead you'd be breaking the law and be prosecuted.
In reply to Post #13
yep, and there's always plenty of fools to follow.
I still use leads given to me by my father, some of those were my grandfathers, my conscience is clear.
I doubt I could afford 12oz of korda leads.
yep, and there's always plenty of fools to follow.
I still use leads given to me by my father, some of those were my grandfathers, my conscience is clear.
I doubt I could afford 12oz of korda leads.
In reply to Post #7
Even the BBC have ignored the otter problem at times. A number of rare breed birds at Pensthorpe Nature Reserve were wiped out by otters.
I've seen otters kill swans, geese, coots and various ducks.
Problem is many places can't be fenced.
A 700 acre nature reserve?
A wildlife common land with a lake?
Lakes connected to rivers or streams with a natural inlet?
Or even a 230acre estate park.
As anglers we have created a situation where we have overstocked lakes with carp, as people, thanks to water authorities, have rivers that are filthy, full of sewage and unable to support the proper species that should be in there. Politicians are not our friends, the Conservatives as a minimum, are in the pockets of private companies.
The 'Town greenies' as I call them, are controlling the country, yet they live miles away from the actual country. The genuine country livers, workers and environmental lovers are being given no control over the actual issues that matter.
The Angling in Oxford thread showed how many town centres are being managed by those who actually aren't affected by the decisions they make, the country is exactly the same.
We also have tackle brands who NEED to sell tackle; new models every year of bivvies, reels, alarms, toiletry bags, who need to sell you lead after lead to replace the ones you littered, sorry ejected on the take into the lake.
Even the BBC have ignored the otter problem at times. A number of rare breed birds at Pensthorpe Nature Reserve were wiped out by otters.
I've seen otters kill swans, geese, coots and various ducks.
Problem is many places can't be fenced.
A 700 acre nature reserve?
A wildlife common land with a lake?
Lakes connected to rivers or streams with a natural inlet?
Or even a 230acre estate park.
As anglers we have created a situation where we have overstocked lakes with carp, as people, thanks to water authorities, have rivers that are filthy, full of sewage and unable to support the proper species that should be in there. Politicians are not our friends, the Conservatives as a minimum, are in the pockets of private companies.
The 'Town greenies' as I call them, are controlling the country, yet they live miles away from the actual country. The genuine country livers, workers and environmental lovers are being given no control over the actual issues that matter.
The Angling in Oxford thread showed how many town centres are being managed by those who actually aren't affected by the decisions they make, the country is exactly the same.
We also have tackle brands who NEED to sell tackle; new models every year of bivvies, reels, alarms, toiletry bags, who need to sell you lead after lead to replace the ones you littered, sorry ejected on the take into the lake.
In reply to Post #15
The favourite prey of otters in river's was eels now mankind has reduced eels to an endangered species it not surprising they are looking for whatever is available. Ecological systems are complex messing with them has many unexpected consequences.
The favourite prey of otters in river's was eels now mankind has reduced eels to an endangered species it not surprising they are looking for whatever is available. Ecological systems are complex messing with them has many unexpected consequences.
In reply to Post #15
well put sir,
now when is that "like" button arriving?
well put sir,
now when is that "like" button arriving?
In reply to Post #15
Well said,couldn't have put it better..
The urbanisation of the countryside is fully underway..those who move into rural areas,not all,but most ,they say we love this area then seek to turn it into a sanitised version of whence they originated..
They have the money,they call the shots,they own more than one property which Jemma and Tarquin come down to stay with their jolly chums plus the surf board and lots of litter afterwards,delivered food from Waitrose,don't use the local shop..stick their noses in the air at born and bred ,country people ,and look down on them,heaven help you if you dare to speak to one ,or even say good morning is a mistake
That's a portal into rural life,a life i live ..like I have mentioned before,and I'm sure some disbelieve me,I am a stranger in my own village,apart from one or two I know..
Where are the locals ? Mostly they are dead,their names, reminders of times past special characters, their old properties unaffordable by the remaining young people who wish to remain,can't get on the property ladders and most end up Airbnb or investment properties..
There is no answer ,no fix to this problem it is what is ,I have learnt accept it now ,but the gentrification ,ruination of the rural parts of the country is in full swing..
This country is woke,broke,and beats to the monetary drum,money ruins everything that was nice ,...but people matter ,communities used to matter..not any more..
Well said,couldn't have put it better..
The urbanisation of the countryside is fully underway..those who move into rural areas,not all,but most ,they say we love this area then seek to turn it into a sanitised version of whence they originated..
They have the money,they call the shots,they own more than one property which Jemma and Tarquin come down to stay with their jolly chums plus the surf board and lots of litter afterwards,delivered food from Waitrose,don't use the local shop..stick their noses in the air at born and bred ,country people ,and look down on them,heaven help you if you dare to speak to one ,or even say good morning is a mistake
That's a portal into rural life,a life i live ..like I have mentioned before,and I'm sure some disbelieve me,I am a stranger in my own village,apart from one or two I know..
Where are the locals ? Mostly they are dead,their names, reminders of times past special characters, their old properties unaffordable by the remaining young people who wish to remain,can't get on the property ladders and most end up Airbnb or investment properties..
There is no answer ,no fix to this problem it is what is ,I have learnt accept it now ,but the gentrification ,ruination of the rural parts of the country is in full swing..
This country is woke,broke,and beats to the monetary drum,money ruins everything that was nice ,...but people matter ,communities used to matter..not any more..
In reply to Post #18
Don't vote Lib Dem and don't vote Labour. Or Green.
Don't vote Lib Dem and don't vote Labour. Or Green.
In reply to Post #16
That's a fallacy. Otters were always photographed eating eels because where the otter strongholds were didn't support a large variety of fish and eels were plentiful.
Otters will eat whatever is available.
That's a fallacy. Otters were always photographed eating eels because where the otter strongholds were didn't support a large variety of fish and eels were plentiful.
Otters will eat whatever is available.
In reply to Post #19
Or Conservative.
Or Conservative.
In reply to Post #20
Yes otters will eat what ever is available. When eels were plentiful that's what was easiest to catch. Now it's big fat carp. When there are no fish easy to catch they will switch to birds or small mammals. Whichever is the easiest food source.
Yes otters will eat what ever is available. When eels were plentiful that's what was easiest to catch. Now it's big fat carp. When there are no fish easy to catch they will switch to birds or small mammals. Whichever is the easiest food source.
In reply to Post #22
this is a true statement.
this is a true statement.
In reply to Post #20
Yep, they will kill whatever living thing is the easiest to catch – problem is it's very rare they actually eat what they have killed or only eat a very small portion of the carcase. It does not take long for them to make an area devoid of prey.
As the RSPB have found out the hard way, putting up woke “Otters Keep Out” signs does not work! Just go and look up how many miles of “Predator Fencing” (Woke name for a Otter fence) they have installed around their reserves, it must be 100's of miles by now.
Yep, they will kill whatever living thing is the easiest to catch – problem is it's very rare they actually eat what they have killed or only eat a very small portion of the carcase. It does not take long for them to make an area devoid of prey.
As the RSPB have found out the hard way, putting up woke “Otters Keep Out” signs does not work! Just go and look up how many miles of “Predator Fencing” (Woke name for a Otter fence) they have installed around their reserves, it must be 100's of miles by now.
In reply to Post #24
Yes, ive seen the fences, good enough to stop a lion
Yes, ive seen the fences, good enough to stop a lion
In reply to Post #15
There are plenty of lakes with inlet streams that are fenced Nick.
Otters are here for good now, you either fence your lake or cross your fingers and wait.
They will arrive sooner or later.
No point in keeping on bleating on about it IMO.
There are plenty of lakes with inlet streams that are fenced Nick.
Otters are here for good now, you either fence your lake or cross your fingers and wait.
They will arrive sooner or later.
No point in keeping on bleating on about it IMO.
In reply to Post #26
All my local venues are right bang near a motorway,otter highway.
In fact I have designed, albeit a good few years ago a simple electric flap system with physical stops ,so when the spate streams,spate ..the water in the lake rises and any debris,sticks,pads etc can be ejected ,and no predator ,otter can get in ..
The biggest problem is falling branches off of trees ..so it's in my mind 24/7 check the fence ,check the fence..
We got a system,I check every other day ,son checks every other day and our trusted buddy ,does the checking as well we got a rota .it works ,...
It's about how much passion and care you have for the lake,...I think it was frenzy ,who correctly said ,everything inside thrives, outside pot luck..
No fence,no fish
(This reply was in general ,not Andy as he's on the ball anyway)
All my local venues are right bang near a motorway,otter highway.
In fact I have designed, albeit a good few years ago a simple electric flap system with physical stops ,so when the spate streams,spate ..the water in the lake rises and any debris,sticks,pads etc can be ejected ,and no predator ,otter can get in ..
The biggest problem is falling branches off of trees ..so it's in my mind 24/7 check the fence ,check the fence..
We got a system,I check every other day ,son checks every other day and our trusted buddy ,does the checking as well we got a rota .it works ,...
It's about how much passion and care you have for the lake,...I think it was frenzy ,who correctly said ,everything inside thrives, outside pot luck..
No fence,no fish
(This reply was in general ,not Andy as he's on the ball anyway)
In reply to Post #27
totally agreed mate..
once fenced, that will only be a deterrent at best unless its maintained.
Ive just gone over to solar panel, battery banks etc on our fence.
totally agreed mate..
once fenced, that will only be a deterrent at best unless its maintained.
Ive just gone over to solar panel, battery banks etc on our fence.
In reply to Post #27
On a local fishery Within 24 hours of a branch falling over onto a fence around the stock pond we found a dead carp dragged onto the bank. We didn't even know there were carp left in the stock pond before it was found as it had recently been netted.
On a local fishery Within 24 hours of a branch falling over onto a fence around the stock pond we found a dead carp dragged onto the bank. We didn't even know there were carp left in the stock pond before it was found as it had recently been netted.
Some people just never learn, Australia learned the hard way.
When 24 rabbits were released into the wild in the early 19th century, their population quickly grew--to 600 million. The rabbits began destroying crops, and fences were built to keep them out,
then there's the mice,
Mice first appeared in Australia with the arrival of British colonists in 1788.
then they introduced domestic cats.
Feral cats threaten the survival of over 100 native species in Australia. They have caused the extinction of some ground-dwelling birds and small to medium-sized mammals. They are a major cause of decline for many land-based endangered animals such as the bilby, bandicoot, bettong and numbat.
I could fill the entire page with similar man made cockups regarding ill thought decisions and mismanagement, not just here but worldwide.
When 24 rabbits were released into the wild in the early 19th century, their population quickly grew--to 600 million. The rabbits began destroying crops, and fences were built to keep them out,
then there's the mice,
Mice first appeared in Australia with the arrival of British colonists in 1788.
then they introduced domestic cats.
Feral cats threaten the survival of over 100 native species in Australia. They have caused the extinction of some ground-dwelling birds and small to medium-sized mammals. They are a major cause of decline for many land-based endangered animals such as the bilby, bandicoot, bettong and numbat.
I could fill the entire page with similar man made cockups regarding ill thought decisions and mismanagement, not just here but worldwide.
In reply to Post #29
similar thing with foxes, a bloke shut the chickens up secure every night for months, and on the one night its forgotten the fox walks in a kills them all,, I'm asked,
"how did it know I left the door open"?
"It didn't,, it came every night."
it came the next night too,, but it didn't leave.
similar thing with foxes, a bloke shut the chickens up secure every night for months, and on the one night its forgotten the fox walks in a kills them all,, I'm asked,
"how did it know I left the door open"?
"It didn't,, it came every night."
it came the next night too,, but it didn't leave.
In reply to Post #28
I'm never complacent..I've got double solar panels,double wiring ,self closing gates x2,locks on the main service entrance..
We are 80 % double meshed,as n when needed,...I change the battery once a fortnight ,as my system goes on low pulse if the battery dips out,that way I can charge the spare batteries multiple times..
I have spare mesh ,spare poles there ,in situ,and a complete repair ,emergency kit in my 4x4..
I'm borderd on this particular lake by a side stream and a main river,both are spate,when it rains hard ,...I start to pray for sure...
The rest is down to luck and the almighty above..!..
Oh ,...forgot to say I joined a small clay pit ,syndicate they'd spent 0000s of hours and around 7k doing the tornado mesh fencing...anyway within the first trip I'd found so many areas where a big dog could have got in ,they wasn't happy ,especially all that money spent on a fence that in reality was far to high and was only good for keeping humans out due to its height,any way the biggest anomalies, in particular were the lack of clearing around the perimeter of the mesh ...ie the perimeter needs to be easily accessible for checking ,this fence was left to regrow,the foliage, which is in my humble opinion a huge oversight...I could go on ,but ...well.....
I'm never complacent..I've got double solar panels,double wiring ,self closing gates x2,locks on the main service entrance..
We are 80 % double meshed,as n when needed,...I change the battery once a fortnight ,as my system goes on low pulse if the battery dips out,that way I can charge the spare batteries multiple times..
I have spare mesh ,spare poles there ,in situ,and a complete repair ,emergency kit in my 4x4..
I'm borderd on this particular lake by a side stream and a main river,both are spate,when it rains hard ,...I start to pray for sure...
The rest is down to luck and the almighty above..!..
Oh ,...forgot to say I joined a small clay pit ,syndicate they'd spent 0000s of hours and around 7k doing the tornado mesh fencing...anyway within the first trip I'd found so many areas where a big dog could have got in ,they wasn't happy ,especially all that money spent on a fence that in reality was far to high and was only good for keeping humans out due to its height,any way the biggest anomalies, in particular were the lack of clearing around the perimeter of the mesh ...ie the perimeter needs to be easily accessible for checking ,this fence was left to regrow,the foliage, which is in my humble opinion a huge oversight...I could go on ,but ...well.....
In reply to Post #31
That's right. They will keep trying and if you let the system that keeps them out they will break in. With tragic results.
That's right. They will keep trying and if you let the system that keeps them out they will break in. With tragic results.
In reply to Post #33
I believe when the fence at Taverham Mill was repaired, an otter was left inside with a few bad consequences
I believe when the fence at Taverham Mill was repaired, an otter was left inside with a few bad consequences
In reply to Post #30
There's a really good book by two Australians, John Marsden and Shaun Tan called 'the rabbits' ....
Turns the story of the rabbit population boom into an allegory about colonisation
I think you might like it
There's a really good book by two Australians, John Marsden and Shaun Tan called 'the rabbits' ....
Turns the story of the rabbit population boom into an allegory about colonisation
I think you might like it
In reply to Post #34
two small fenced waters close to me are completely fenced, one has had to remind people to "shut the bloody gate behind them", and that includes anglers, as well as the pizza deliveries, and those visiting the noddys when the pub chucks out. oddly enough they would be the first to complain there were no fish to catch.
the other is almost unbelievable,, the entire place is fenced like fort knox, cctv, regular fence patrols, the whole nine yards,
but one summer when the owner had the house doors front and back opened at the same time an otter came through the damn house to gain access to the lake, it didn't end well, as it didn't account for the family dogs.
as a precaution they now have stable doors back and front.
another testament to show how used to humans and habitation these recently introduced things are in comparison to the shy,reclusive creatures they once were, I guess once they have cleared an area of all food sources, they will become more brazen in searching for a new source.
two small fenced waters close to me are completely fenced, one has had to remind people to "shut the bloody gate behind them", and that includes anglers, as well as the pizza deliveries, and those visiting the noddys when the pub chucks out. oddly enough they would be the first to complain there were no fish to catch.
the other is almost unbelievable,, the entire place is fenced like fort knox, cctv, regular fence patrols, the whole nine yards,
but one summer when the owner had the house doors front and back opened at the same time an otter came through the damn house to gain access to the lake, it didn't end well, as it didn't account for the family dogs.
as a precaution they now have stable doors back and front.
another testament to show how used to humans and habitation these recently introduced things are in comparison to the shy,reclusive creatures they once were, I guess once they have cleared an area of all food sources, they will become more brazen in searching for a new source.
In reply to Post #36
We have a seal running riot in my local reservoir at the moment, theres been 3 failed rescue attempts as it was slightly injured and now they are not allowed to try again due to the seals injuries that are now healed so it no longer deemed a rescue. Not quite sure what the future holds for the reservoir now
We have a seal running riot in my local reservoir at the moment, theres been 3 failed rescue attempts as it was slightly injured and now they are not allowed to try again due to the seals injuries that are now healed so it no longer deemed a rescue. Not quite sure what the future holds for the reservoir now
In reply to Post #32
Mate, ive seen sooooo many fences in my time when ive helped fisheries re trapping.
Some of them are so poor, i feel sorry for the people who had been ill advised
Mate, ive seen sooooo many fences in my time when ive helped fisheries re trapping.
Some of them are so poor, i feel sorry for the people who had been ill advised
In reply to Post #36
the amount of times otters have gained access to fenced waters through gates being left open is ridiculous. no shock really as 99% of modern day carp anglers are thick a pig
the amount of times otters have gained access to fenced waters through gates being left open is ridiculous. no shock really as 99% of modern day carp anglers are thick a pig
In reply to Post #38
I honestly can't see how anyone can “Cock-up” a basic Otter Fence, I remember some on this forum saying “Rabbit/Deer Mesh won't last, it won't keep them out” well 12 years on it's still going strong, it's needed a new perimeter skirt adding at around 7 years old.
But the new one has not been dug into the ground this time (won't be making that mistake again) Rotten Posts need changing every year, but it's no big deal: 5 mins to un-bolt the Out-Rigger, pop a couple of Staples out and change it, re-fit Out-rigger or for 75p fit a new one.
I honestly can't see how anyone can “Cock-up” a basic Otter Fence, I remember some on this forum saying “Rabbit/Deer Mesh won't last, it won't keep them out” well 12 years on it's still going strong, it's needed a new perimeter skirt adding at around 7 years old.
But the new one has not been dug into the ground this time (won't be making that mistake again) Rotten Posts need changing every year, but it's no big deal: 5 mins to un-bolt the Out-Rigger, pop a couple of Staples out and change it, re-fit Out-rigger or for 75p fit a new one.
In reply to Post #40
all about maintenance hey.
Ive been replacing our wooden posts as they either rot of get broken with the re-cycled plastic ones...very impressed, a bit more expensive, but they wont need replacing for years
all about maintenance hey.
Ive been replacing our wooden posts as they either rot of get broken with the re-cycled plastic ones...very impressed, a bit more expensive, but they wont need replacing for years
In reply to Post #40
Same as you Kieth..
As the mesh starts to deteriorate, which is mainly the bottom ,touching the ground ,I just replace the lower,putting in a three foot section ,but as long as needed,feeding the mesh under the isolators in our case ,and pinning the mesh direct to the ground following the existing lines of the fence ...
I do it on my own whilst fishing ,it's easy ....,...double meshing gives even greater piece of mind..as well..
I believe our fence is in the region of 11 to 12 years old in a wild and damp environment, as well...even our posts are still good ..
But ,I'm never complacent, always looking for signs on the site,spraint,small kill signage near the river and so on...the main sprinting stone not been used for a few months now,maybe the guard has changed ,as I knew the resident male was getting on in years..
Same as you Kieth..
As the mesh starts to deteriorate, which is mainly the bottom ,touching the ground ,I just replace the lower,putting in a three foot section ,but as long as needed,feeding the mesh under the isolators in our case ,and pinning the mesh direct to the ground following the existing lines of the fence ...
I do it on my own whilst fishing ,it's easy ....,...double meshing gives even greater piece of mind..as well..
I believe our fence is in the region of 11 to 12 years old in a wild and damp environment, as well...even our posts are still good ..
But ,I'm never complacent, always looking for signs on the site,spraint,small kill signage near the river and so on...the main sprinting stone not been used for a few months now,maybe the guard has changed ,as I knew the resident male was getting on in years..
In reply to Post #41
I might look into these recycled posts Josh ,didn't know about them ..
I might look into these recycled posts Josh ,didn't know about them ..
In reply to Post #43
I'll find out where we got them from mate and let you know.
I bought 20 of them, and just replace the damaged ones and have 10 spare in case of emergencies.
I'll find out where we got them from mate and let you know.
I bought 20 of them, and just replace the damaged ones and have 10 spare in case of emergencies.
In reply to Post #44
Thank you..
Thank you..
In reply to Post #42
We re-skirted the whole 650 meters, three of us fitting a couple of 50m Rolls on a few Saturday mornings prior to setting up for the weekend session.
We don't have any electric to worry about, out-riggers at 4ft up stops them from climbing it – simple, cheap, reliable and pretty much maintenance free other than age related repairs.
~ There are a few other waters in the same locations as both our waters; they are being hammered with not having fences! I know the Club put in for permission to Fence a couple of them, but got refused by the council. Presume they must have shown the tall Tornado type or an Electrified Fence, when peoples posh gardens back onto one banking, I'm not surprised it was objected too.
We re-skirted the whole 650 meters, three of us fitting a couple of 50m Rolls on a few Saturday mornings prior to setting up for the weekend session.
We don't have any electric to worry about, out-riggers at 4ft up stops them from climbing it – simple, cheap, reliable and pretty much maintenance free other than age related repairs.
~ There are a few other waters in the same locations as both our waters; they are being hammered with not having fences! I know the Club put in for permission to Fence a couple of them, but got refused by the council. Presume they must have shown the tall Tornado type or an Electrified Fence, when peoples posh gardens back onto one banking, I'm not surprised it was objected too.
Brand new scaffold tubes for us we thought they may fair up better than wooden posts, the gate was fully meshed.
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Left of foreground pic, locked gate? i presume thats fully meshed? Personally, id put in a concrete foot pad the length of said gate about 2 ft deep and 2ft wide
Your main gate, is that a sleeper in the ground? if so, fine, but there appears to be a small gap on the left of sleeper against the upright post? I'd fill that in with concrete
your fence looks great, im not a massive believer in overhangs, most tend to have the wrong angle on them anyway, but can you add an electric wire?
Nice
If i may
Left of foreground pic, locked gate? i presume thats fully meshed? Personally, id put in a concrete foot pad the length of said gate about 2 ft deep and 2ft wide
Your main gate, is that a sleeper in the ground? if so, fine, but there appears to be a small gap on the left of sleeper against the upright post? I'd fill that in with concrete
your fence looks great, im not a massive believer in overhangs, most tend to have the wrong angle on them anyway, but can you add an electric wire?
In reply to Post #48
Hi Joss
This was early doors when we first started, the gate pictured ended up with a concrete pad underneath it and sleeper lay in front of it to the outside of the footing we did the full width a foot wide centered on the gate we also meshed the gate with 30x30mm mesh, by the time we had finished there is now an electric fence all the way around the perimeter 12" up from the ground with hotline gate handles at three gates we also ran a scare wire above the fence tensioned up between scaffold clips 50mm above the top of the fence with barbwire, (we may change this to electric this year) there were a few issues causing restrictions to what we could do, we would of liked an overhang but 170 mtrs of the lake on one side is on a tight country lane with local walkers and surrounded by the estates shoot, one of them would either catch it in their 4x4's or walk into one and gash themselves.
We had a bod from Angling Trust or EA cannot remember now my mate organised that, he came to inspect it afterwards and gave it his full seal of approval and said we had done a fantastic job and should we ever get breached he would have no qualms about a live trapping as we had done a very good job, his final comment was pleasing as he said at the end I normally carry a roll of tape and on a walk round tape areas of concern to look at re-visit, his passing remark was as you can see I haven't taped anywhere that he thought might be an issue.
Hi Joss
This was early doors when we first started, the gate pictured ended up with a concrete pad underneath it and sleeper lay in front of it to the outside of the footing we did the full width a foot wide centered on the gate we also meshed the gate with 30x30mm mesh, by the time we had finished there is now an electric fence all the way around the perimeter 12" up from the ground with hotline gate handles at three gates we also ran a scare wire above the fence tensioned up between scaffold clips 50mm above the top of the fence with barbwire, (we may change this to electric this year) there were a few issues causing restrictions to what we could do, we would of liked an overhang but 170 mtrs of the lake on one side is on a tight country lane with local walkers and surrounded by the estates shoot, one of them would either catch it in their 4x4's or walk into one and gash themselves.
We had a bod from Angling Trust or EA cannot remember now my mate organised that, he came to inspect it afterwards and gave it his full seal of approval and said we had done a fantastic job and should we ever get breached he would have no qualms about a live trapping as we had done a very good job, his final comment was pleasing as he said at the end I normally carry a roll of tape and on a walk round tape areas of concern to look at re-visit, his passing remark was as you can see I haven't taped anywhere that he thought might be an issue.
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well done mate, i wouldnt worry about overhangs, and unless your going to do it all, i defo wouldnt bother at all.
That would have either been Richard Bamforth or Jake from the AT who would have come out.
well done mate, i wouldnt worry about overhangs, and unless your going to do it all, i defo wouldnt bother at all.
That would have either been Richard Bamforth or Jake from the AT who would have come out.
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We also have no overhangs...and no problems..
My design is based on Alan Beats fence in Devon,who was given the details from a Scottish fish farmer ,who lost all his stock to predation from otters years ago..and thus designing a otter proof budget system..
What I do ,is I have got some white plumbers ,tap sealing tape ,stuff,and I, if I find any thing that needs doing I'll tear a bit of tape off and wrap on that area as a reminder,I keep the tape on a fir tree branch ,ready to go....
It's dark outside,and I'm off down two waters to check around,rivers local have been in spate so this is when I'm most vigilant...basically, I am not paranoid ,just fully aware that to sleep at night ,a fence needs regular checking,I'm not bothered about darkness or weather,I just go..
Good luck to.those who have fenced and feel for those who for what ever reason can't fence..
We also have no overhangs...and no problems..
My design is based on Alan Beats fence in Devon,who was given the details from a Scottish fish farmer ,who lost all his stock to predation from otters years ago..and thus designing a otter proof budget system..
What I do ,is I have got some white plumbers ,tap sealing tape ,stuff,and I, if I find any thing that needs doing I'll tear a bit of tape off and wrap on that area as a reminder,I keep the tape on a fir tree branch ,ready to go....
It's dark outside,and I'm off down two waters to check around,rivers local have been in spate so this is when I'm most vigilant...basically, I am not paranoid ,just fully aware that to sleep at night ,a fence needs regular checking,I'm not bothered about darkness or weather,I just go..
Good luck to.those who have fenced and feel for those who for what ever reason can't fence..
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Ashmead hasnt had an over hang for 20 yrs...no issues
Ive not got and over hang, no issues...i actually openly tell people i help that overhangs arent a B and end all of protection. Not saying they don't help in anyway, but the cost doesnt out way the risk in my book. Alot of the angles are no where enough aggressive enough to make any difference what so ever.
Ashmead hasnt had an over hang for 20 yrs...no issues
Ive not got and over hang, no issues...i actually openly tell people i help that overhangs arent a B and end all of protection. Not saying they don't help in anyway, but the cost doesnt out way the risk in my book. Alot of the angles are no where enough aggressive enough to make any difference what so ever.
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Good info ,all true...and I know a fellow who gashed his head badly on a newly hung overhung fence ,a direct copy of the well known ones .but shorter build..
( just in from lake check,all ok,roads need a jetski ! )
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Good info ,all true...and I know a fellow who gashed his head badly on a newly hung overhung fence ,a direct copy of the well known ones .but shorter build..
( just in from lake check,all ok,roads need a jetski ! )
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its amazing how the ground recovers isnt mate.
I moan every spring the state of my field where the horses have smashed the ground to bits after the wet winter, it soon recovers once spring comes.
Great work and job on the fence and surrounding are mate
its amazing how the ground recovers isnt mate.
I moan every spring the state of my field where the horses have smashed the ground to bits after the wet winter, it soon recovers once spring comes.
Great work and job on the fence and surrounding are mate
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Thanks Joss, just beyond the ladder is part of the bund we built for the silt removal that runs the full length of that side of the lake about 150 meters , the 150 year old silt helped everything germinate and grow well.
It was a massive undertaking me and my mate who's pool it is spent months of weekends removing Laurel first all along that bank ready for the fence and machines to come in for the de-silt.
This pic shows the bund being constructed and you can see a small bit of Laurel left standing in the shot the whole of this bank was like this 30/40 meters deep into the wood, plenty in the wood shed drying out.
Thanks Joss, just beyond the ladder is part of the bund we built for the silt removal that runs the full length of that side of the lake about 150 meters , the 150 year old silt helped everything germinate and grow well. It was a massive undertaking me and my mate who's pool it is spent months of weekends removing Laurel first all along that bank ready for the fence and machines to come in for the de-silt.
This pic shows the bund being constructed and you can see a small bit of Laurel left standing in the shot the whole of this bank was like this 30/40 meters deep into the wood, plenty in the wood shed drying out.
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Top work mate
i wish i knew how to post photo's id out some up of all the work we've done including the new solar panel installation to run the fence
Top work mate
i wish i knew how to post photo's id out some up of all the work we've done including the new solar panel installation to run the fence
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All credit to you, good to see someone taking the Otter problem seriously and securing their fishing into the future.
There's some serous graft there, be worth it thou
For the past 13 years since it's got really bad, all I hear is moaning every winter after someone's stock has just been mullered! (As the past few weeks, when are they going to learn?)
All credit to you, good to see someone taking the Otter problem seriously and securing their fishing into the future.
There's some serous graft there, be worth it thouFor the past 13 years since it's got really bad, all I hear is moaning every winter after someone's stock has just been mullered! (As the past few weeks, when are they going to learn?)
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i hear it all the time mate...
everyone knows the danger, there's loads of help and information about these days regarding otters and fishery protection, sadly, some wait until its too late.
Re stocking is extremely expensive, YES, fencing isn't cheap, but with a shed load of graft, the rewards far out reach the heart ache in my book
i hear it all the time mate...
everyone knows the danger, there's loads of help and information about these days regarding otters and fishery protection, sadly, some wait until its too late.
Re stocking is extremely expensive, YES, fencing isn't cheap, but with a shed load of graft, the rewards far out reach the heart ache in my book
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Some pictures from Wandle 1.
Pics are clickable thumbnails so they will expand...
See info on posting pics; https://www.carpforum.co.uk/Shared/Messages.asp?TopicID=145162
these pics show a successful, and so called budget fence, borderd by two otter motorways which are still significant..
My son Mike doing some basic maintenance.
Spate river
Rest self explanatory..
Some pictures from Wandle 1.
Pics are clickable thumbnails so they will expand...
See info on posting pics; https://www.carpforum.co.uk/Shared/Messages.asp?TopicID=145162
these pics show a successful, and so called budget fence, borderd by two otter motorways which are still significant..
My son Mike doing some basic maintenance.
Spate river
Rest self explanatory..
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BIG ..thank you to Baitman for putting up my pics..
The lake is very close ,and I mean disected by not one ,but two spate watercourses,the holt ,and river kill platforms are right behind my bivvy ,and the long stretch of mesh...thats how far or close those motorways are..
I reckon the fence is around 12 yrs old now ,it's weathered nicely ,and not too obtrusive I guess..
It's powered or trickle solar charged by two solar panels,a single battery will last us two weeks in winter,low light levels,and a month when days are longer...I get recharge
cycles of over 250 times on each battery,if it drops down to less than 9v ,it auto cuts to provide a less intermittent pulse..
You can see the fairly new double meshing ..so ,you don't have to spend lots to do a fence on a two acre lake ...think.it was £900,back then ,we or I should say I, did all the posting ..
Hope that helps those who say they can't afford it or whatever..
BIG ..thank you to Baitman for putting up my pics..
The lake is very close ,and I mean disected by not one ,but two spate watercourses,the holt ,and river kill platforms are right behind my bivvy ,and the long stretch of mesh...thats how far or close those motorways are..
I reckon the fence is around 12 yrs old now ,it's weathered nicely ,and not too obtrusive I guess..
It's powered or trickle solar charged by two solar panels,a single battery will last us two weeks in winter,low light levels,and a month when days are longer...I get recharge
cycles of over 250 times on each battery,if it drops down to less than 9v ,it auto cuts to provide a less intermittent pulse..
You can see the fairly new double meshing ..so ,you don't have to spend lots to do a fence on a two acre lake ...think.it was £900,back then ,we or I should say I, did all the posting ..
Hope that helps those who say they can't afford it or whatever..
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cheers mate, i'll have a go later.
i should know better being a mod hey
cheers mate, i'll have a go later.
i should know better being a mod hey
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I have been involved in predation eduction for a long time..
Anyway the pics of myplace,is not the first proper otter fence in my area,it was the second ,that being a small lake near lanson,...the lanson fence worked well,sadly ,lanson massive with their indelible forethought ,couldn't be bothered to park correctly and took short cuts over the fence eventually damaging it..
So that lake ,had an original design, by Alan Beat ,fence..which I helped with ,mine being based on both..
I do not know of one single lake in my area which has NOT been predated to a high or low level...as nearly all lakes are bang next to a lutra motorway..
However,the worst fence I have seen award,goes to Hengar Manor,which only half fenced at double the cost of a full fence,so award of fence fails goes to them,sadly this place now has been max predated,and lodge caravan disease..
No fence no fish ,no future...word..!
I have been involved in predation eduction for a long time..
Anyway the pics of myplace,is not the first proper otter fence in my area,it was the second ,that being a small lake near lanson,...the lanson fence worked well,sadly ,lanson massive with their indelible forethought ,couldn't be bothered to park correctly and took short cuts over the fence eventually damaging it..
So that lake ,had an original design, by Alan Beat ,fence..which I helped with ,mine being based on both..
I do not know of one single lake in my area which has NOT been predated to a high or low level...as nearly all lakes are bang next to a lutra motorway..
However,the worst fence I have seen award,goes to Hengar Manor,which only half fenced at double the cost of a full fence,so award of fence fails goes to them,sadly this place now has been max predated,and lodge caravan disease..
No fence no fish ,no future...word..!
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