https://www.lukemoffatt.com/the-graviers-tic-hook
Sorry can't do links, anyone seen these double barbed hooks before?
Sorry can't do links, anyone seen these double barbed hooks before?
In reply to Post #1
Looked at them with interest, I can see them being banned on a lot of fisheries.
Looked at them with interest, I can see them being banned on a lot of fisheries.
It would be interesting to know if he lets people us them on his own fish?
In reply to Post #3
They are used at Graviers.
I have seen these in the flesh and they are decent. The normal micro barb and then the micro 'nano' barb are well formed. The micro barb would follow the name of barb so there wouldn't be any extra damage to the fishes mouth, and the reverse pressure to release the barb would then release both in the same movement.
If they are getting banned then it's probably down to fear of something new and a lack of understanding.
They are used at Graviers.
I have seen these in the flesh and they are decent. The normal micro barb and then the micro 'nano' barb are well formed. The micro barb would follow the name of barb so there wouldn't be any extra damage to the fishes mouth, and the reverse pressure to release the barb would then release both in the same movement.
If they are getting banned then it's probably down to fear of something new and a lack of understanding.
Didn't get a very warm reception on the fishery management group did they Dave?
In reply to Post #5
No. But hey
I will give them a go and I am happy to give totally unbiased feedback as and when I can get out and catch a few.
No. But hey
I will give them a go and I am happy to give totally unbiased feedback as and when I can get out and catch a few.
Why would you need two barbs on a carp hook though? It's hard enough to get a single barbed hook out with a decent hook hold. I would have thought that double barbed would make it harder for the fish to shed the hook if the line gives?
Just seems strange a guy who is notoriously protective over his stock would come up with this.
I may well be missing something though?
Just seems strange a guy who is notoriously protective over his stock would come up with this.
I may well be missing something though?
Have just read the sales pitch/write up for them, so much I disagree with in it and a few assumptions made probably made from experience of the anglers fishing his venue.
Just bought a packet of hooks so I'm out
In reply to Post #2
In reply to Post #1
That first barb would inhibit a hookup if anything.
That first barb would inhibit a hookup if anything.
In reply to Post #7
Completely agree I don't think they've thought hard enough with regards to the line breaking, it's a no from me.what's next treble hooks for carp fishing you could apply the same argument as the double barbed ??
Completely agree I don't think they've thought hard enough with regards to the line breaking, it's a no from me.what's next treble hooks for carp fishing you could apply the same argument as the double barbed ??
In reply to Post #12
The information on his website is somewhat contradictory.
He has banned all curve shank hooks on his own lake because they ‘greatly increase the failure to eject in the case of cut off or crack off'
Then he's trying to flog ‘the ultimate anti-eject hook' to make a few quid on the side.
The part about hanging lead weights from a dead carps mouth is just plain weird.
The information on his website is somewhat contradictory.
He has banned all curve shank hooks on his own lake because they ‘greatly increase the failure to eject in the case of cut off or crack off'
Then he's trying to flog ‘the ultimate anti-eject hook' to make a few quid on the side.
The part about hanging lead weights from a dead carps mouth is just plain weird.
In reply to Post #13
Considerable applied pressure to penetrator beyond the barb ahhh so rather than use barbless to lessen the pressure required we will put two barbs on ?
Considerable applied pressure to penetrator beyond the barb ahhh so rather than use barbless to lessen the pressure required we will put two barbs on ?
In reply to Post #14
Looks like a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
One micro barb is surely enough to keep a hook in place and i think having 2 barbs would actually hinder hook ups if anything
Looks like a solution to a problem that doesn't exist.
One micro barb is surely enough to keep a hook in place and i think having 2 barbs would actually hinder hook ups if anything
In reply to Post #13
Now, now girls....
If you have not seen the hooks try and refrain from jumping on here with your derogatory comments just because you have nothing else to do...
Strange how the only people that post are the negative ones...and all the normal people either don't comment of buy a pack!
If you don't like the hook, don't buy it... if you do like it you can try it...
I tested it for over a year here at the lakes, caught loads of fish on them, and they unhook just like a standard barbed hook, with no extra damage... if not I would not have released them.
If you can't see the advantage of the Nano barb...and don't understand it's function, then it's not for you..is it, simple.
When you just jump online to slate and insult you just make yourselves look like *****s, nobody want's to hear any of it... Can't any of you see that?
Now, now girls....
If you have not seen the hooks try and refrain from jumping on here with your derogatory comments just because you have nothing else to do...
Strange how the only people that post are the negative ones...and all the normal people either don't comment of buy a pack!
If you don't like the hook, don't buy it... if you do like it you can try it...
I tested it for over a year here at the lakes, caught loads of fish on them, and they unhook just like a standard barbed hook, with no extra damage... if not I would not have released them.
If you can't see the advantage of the Nano barb...and don't understand it's function, then it's not for you..is it, simple.
When you just jump online to slate and insult you just make yourselves look like *****s, nobody want's to hear any of it... Can't any of you see that?
In reply to Post #16
That's the beauty of an open forum Luke, people can express an opinion on the validity of a product whether they want to buy it or not. Fish safety is always a contentious issue and will draw many opinions.
Are you able to clarify your stand point on hook ejection and fish safety? Curved shank hooks are banned at your lake because the fish can't eject them. These Tic hooks clam to be the ‘ultimate anti-eject hook?'
Is that a contradiction or am I missing something?
That's the beauty of an open forum Luke, people can express an opinion on the validity of a product whether they want to buy it or not. Fish safety is always a contentious issue and will draw many opinions.
Are you able to clarify your stand point on hook ejection and fish safety? Curved shank hooks are banned at your lake because the fish can't eject them. These Tic hooks clam to be the ‘ultimate anti-eject hook?'
Is that a contradiction or am I missing something?
In reply to Post #16
derogatory comments when your opening line is now now girls,nobody wants to hear it but near 500 veiws already suggests otherwise.
derogatory comments when your opening line is now now girls,nobody wants to hear it but near 500 veiws already suggests otherwise.
In reply to Post #17
The nano barb's role of anti ejection is only for the initial pick up..after that the hook behaves just like a normal barbed hook once the angler tightens up, the nano is so tiny that it presence is irrelevent one the hooks main wire diameter has created a hole...it's the same as removing a normal micro barbed hook.
Close up photos of the hook give the wrong impression...most people struggle to even see the Nano barb when they first pick up the hook.
That will have to do you though..as I don't have time to keep explaining stuff to people that don't get it... Theres a write up on my website...if you don't like the sound of it, don't buy them, and just move on.
A simple "not for me" comment will do...if you really have to broadcast your opinions... but just remember no body really cares what you think.
Would you like to buy some?
The nano barb's role of anti ejection is only for the initial pick up..after that the hook behaves just like a normal barbed hook once the angler tightens up, the nano is so tiny that it presence is irrelevent one the hooks main wire diameter has created a hole...it's the same as removing a normal micro barbed hook.
Close up photos of the hook give the wrong impression...most people struggle to even see the Nano barb when they first pick up the hook.
That will have to do you though..as I don't have time to keep explaining stuff to people that don't get it... Theres a write up on my website...if you don't like the sound of it, don't buy them, and just move on.
A simple "not for me" comment will do...if you really have to broadcast your opinions... but just remember no body really cares what you think.
Would you like to buy some?
In reply to Post #19
Not for me.
Not for me.
In reply to Post #19
Not for me
Not for me
In reply to Post #19
Not for me
Not for me
In reply to Post #19
As has been said before someone posted on an open forum and we gave opinion, to speak to us like children as clearly you took it personally was a mistake on your part.
As has been said before someone posted on an open forum and we gave opinion, to speak to us like children as clearly you took it personally was a mistake on your part.
In reply to Post #16
I get the response and support it. Someone has developed an item of tackle that is new and whilst nobody has used it everyone has an opinion.
Bringing out new hooks must be super hard - much easier to re badge an existing pattern. In my view the likely outcomes are
Use them, understand them and maybe be convinced they are an edge.
Use them, understand them, hate them and chuck em
Use them and understand the edge they may give - then start thinking could they be even better - has this been a starter for ten, could future hooks move a single barb lower, should barbs actually be indentations on very fine wire before they thicken out.
Tackle development is not about getting it spot on - it's about trying new things - problem solving, optimisation and refining.
If Luke is saying fish on his lake we're not hooking themselves and just lightly nicking the mouth - then this could help solve the problem, plus give the security of a good hook hold once *****ed. Like I say they may not be for me - but disrespecting someone who has started a thought process around an issue they faced should in my opinion be applauded.
I get the response and support it. Someone has developed an item of tackle that is new and whilst nobody has used it everyone has an opinion.
Bringing out new hooks must be super hard - much easier to re badge an existing pattern. In my view the likely outcomes are
Use them, understand them and maybe be convinced they are an edge.
Use them, understand them, hate them and chuck em
Use them and understand the edge they may give - then start thinking could they be even better - has this been a starter for ten, could future hooks move a single barb lower, should barbs actually be indentations on very fine wire before they thicken out.
Tackle development is not about getting it spot on - it's about trying new things - problem solving, optimisation and refining.
If Luke is saying fish on his lake we're not hooking themselves and just lightly nicking the mouth - then this could help solve the problem, plus give the security of a good hook hold once *****ed. Like I say they may not be for me - but disrespecting someone who has started a thought process around an issue they faced should in my opinion be applauded.
It's not me you've got to try and convince Luke it's all the other lake owners out there because without their blessing these hooks are not going to sell
I might be muddled here but didn't VMC market a hook with 3 barbs?
I can see the process here, its the larger (standard) barb that makes the largest hole, the 'nano' barb is the initial hold as it were.
Barbless hooks encourage more rips and tears,especially in pads IMHO and there's nothing to be gained by fish slipping the hook.
Let the fishery owner decide if his clients are competent enough to use these.
I can see the process here, its the larger (standard) barb that makes the largest hole, the 'nano' barb is the initial hold as it were.
Barbless hooks encourage more rips and tears,especially in pads IMHO and there's nothing to be gained by fish slipping the hook.
Let the fishery owner decide if his clients are competent enough to use these.
In reply to Post #24
I can't see alot of fisheries allowing them but I guess we will have to wait and see.I do understand stand why people are questioning them,surely people are allowed their opinion on them too.I won't be using them but I can't see Luke releasing something that is dangerous to his fish,I know he takes fishcare very seriously
I can't see alot of fisheries allowing them but I guess we will have to wait and see.I do understand stand why people are questioning them,surely people are allowed their opinion on them too.I won't be using them but I can't see Luke releasing something that is dangerous to his fish,I know he takes fishcare very seriously
In reply to Post #26
My comments weren't criticism of the hook but the way it's being described in the link. Saying it takes a lot to drive a hook in past a barb and assuming the majority are using bolt rigs with the weight if the lead used to set the hook. The bolt rig and micro barbed hooks have accounted for thousands of captures over the last few decades and continue to do so but the chod or heli rig are now massively popular and these don't directly use the lead to set the hook and this maybe whare these hooks will give an advantage and I may try them although I would prefer a straight point. Reference barbless hooks causing mouth damage hasone has said in an earlier post, recently someone posted a link to another French fishery owner who rates barbless hooks highly and hates lead clips and the guy posts videos, well worth a watch to get a balanced point of veiw.
My comments weren't criticism of the hook but the way it's being described in the link. Saying it takes a lot to drive a hook in past a barb and assuming the majority are using bolt rigs with the weight if the lead used to set the hook. The bolt rig and micro barbed hooks have accounted for thousands of captures over the last few decades and continue to do so but the chod or heli rig are now massively popular and these don't directly use the lead to set the hook and this maybe whare these hooks will give an advantage and I may try them although I would prefer a straight point. Reference barbless hooks causing mouth damage hasone has said in an earlier post, recently someone posted a link to another French fishery owner who rates barbless hooks highly and hates lead clips and the guy posts videos, well worth a watch to get a balanced point of veiw.
In reply to Post #24
"If Luke is saying fish on his lake we're not hooking themselves and just lightly nicking the mouth - then this could help solve the problem." Stop believing utter garbage
"If Luke is saying fish on his lake we're not hooking themselves and just lightly nicking the mouth - then this could help solve the problem." Stop believing utter garbage
In reply to Post #10
I didn't see your reply to my comment ?
Feel free to message me.
I didn't see your reply to my comment ?
Feel free to message me.
In reply to Post #30
I meant to reply to post 7 which I did with my next post so nothing to see 😀
I meant to reply to post 7 which I did with my next post so nothing to see 😀
So a year on, any conclusions with the guys that have used them.
Better, worse, made no difference?
I have not used them, havent planned on using them, more fact finding just interested in the facts really, none of this "my dad's cousins sisters father-in-law twice removed" garbage. Just the facts...
Better, worse, made no difference?
I have not used them, havent planned on using them, more fact finding just interested in the facts really, none of this "my dad's cousins sisters father-in-law twice removed" garbage. Just the facts...
Using them right now, size 4 hinge heli. The pattern is very close to ideal for me, the nano barb is very hard to see, you can just feel it, after that it's no different to any other decent hook.
What exactly are you lot saying ( without knowing) is the problem?
What exactly are you lot saying ( without knowing) is the problem?
In reply to Post #33
Thank you for your input. Appreciate.
Not saying there is a problem. I'm just asking for truth from people, like yourself, that have or are using. Not interested in hearing the nah slayers that have not used or their mates mate said. Just the truth really.
Thank you for your input. Appreciate.
Not saying there is a problem. I'm just asking for truth from people, like yourself, that have or are using. Not interested in hearing the nah slayers that have not used or their mates mate said. Just the truth really.
In reply to Post #34
No problem..
It's always going to be a difficult one to specifically validate whether the nano barb puts an extra fish or two on the bank, but like all things, many small things do lead to a better success rate. I've certainly got no complaints with the tic Vs either Korda wide gape X, or TA beak point that I usually use, no mouth damage whatsoever, strong enough so far holding 40+ fish off of a snaggy tree line, and my confidence is increasing with every pick up..
No problem..
It's always going to be a difficult one to specifically validate whether the nano barb puts an extra fish or two on the bank, but like all things, many small things do lead to a better success rate. I've certainly got no complaints with the tic Vs either Korda wide gape X, or TA beak point that I usually use, no mouth damage whatsoever, strong enough so far holding 40+ fish off of a snaggy tree line, and my confidence is increasing with every pick up..
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