Anyone used this? £36 quid a kilo is pricey. Would this be better than a krill powder or GLM for dusting up boilies and pellets. Currently on Trent Shrimp.
In reply to Post #1
I like it personally. I've played about with it from 15g to 120g and found my testers did well on a neutral fishmeal with this at 75g in combination with calanus hydro at 1kg per 4kg of egg.
I have recently sent 5 testers 25kg each of a batch on a birdfood base also, thss as t was only a week ago so don't have much tangible evidence, a lad fishing wrasbury had a few but he's a machine and would probably catch on cardboard, will keep you informed if there is a magic trick with it but from my experience it peaks around 75g a kilo and you're throwing money away after that.
If you order from bacare be sure to pick up some tuna extract it is excellent and also they sell a really nice salmon hydrolysate too
I like it personally. I've played about with it from 15g to 120g and found my testers did well on a neutral fishmeal with this at 75g in combination with calanus hydro at 1kg per 4kg of egg.
I have recently sent 5 testers 25kg each of a batch on a birdfood base also, thss as t was only a week ago so don't have much tangible evidence, a lad fishing wrasbury had a few but he's a machine and would probably catch on cardboard, will keep you informed if there is a magic trick with it but from my experience it peaks around 75g a kilo and you're throwing money away after that.
If you order from bacare be sure to pick up some tuna extract it is excellent and also they sell a really nice salmon hydrolysate too
In reply to Post #2
I have bottles of the Salmigo and hydro shrimp. Amazing liquids you can tell just by smelling them they are a cut above. I don't make feed bait, only hook baits so was thinking more along the lines of just using it for coating things and in bag mixes and hookbaits etc. So the tuna is also defo worth a getting?
I have bottles of the Salmigo and hydro shrimp. Amazing liquids you can tell just by smelling them they are a cut above. I don't make feed bait, only hook baits so was thinking more along the lines of just using it for coating things and in bag mixes and hookbaits etc. So the tuna is also defo worth a getting?
In reply to Post #2
I like it too. Just be careful if your basemix already has high amounts of krill and PDFM in, as like most shrimp products, it's very light and can create buoyancy issues.
I like it too. Just be careful if your basemix already has high amounts of krill and PDFM in, as like most shrimp products, it's very light and can create buoyancy issues.
In reply to Post #2
Would be better giving a test bait to some proper whoppers, as you said, a good angler will catch on anything, a useless one succeeds and you know you're onto a winning formula.
Would be better giving a test bait to some proper whoppers, as you said, a good angler will catch on anything, a useless one succeeds and you know you're onto a winning formula.
In reply to Post #5
probably not you need a compitant angler who can gauge success and relay back results
probably not you need a compitant angler who can gauge success and relay back results
In reply to Post #4
Its totally dependant on what you mix them with. I've made 25% krill meal baits with 5% shrimp when people have said 10% will float. just account for it with other denser ingredients like oyster shell, MP60, some of the fishmeals around etc.
Its totally dependant on what you mix them with. I've made 25% krill meal baits with 5% shrimp when people have said 10% will float. just account for it with other denser ingredients like oyster shell, MP60, some of the fishmeals around etc.
In reply to Post #7
personally think oyster shell is a good ingredient regardless of floating issues.
love the open texture that it gives, got to be better for breakdown.
personally think oyster shell is a good ingredient regardless of floating issues.
love the open texture that it gives, got to be better for breakdown.
In reply to Post #7
I'm well aware of that Nick. But if you already have a bait that is light and sinks quite slowly, then I can tell you that 2% of the shrimp will give you a 5kg batch of pop ups!
I'm well aware of that Nick. But if you already have a bait that is light and sinks quite slowly, then I can tell you that 2% of the shrimp will give you a 5kg batch of pop ups!
In reply to Post #9
they always did two, a very light shell meal and a less light soluble one.
I can guarantee you the bait sinks I've rolled enough of them lol
they always did two, a very light shell meal and a less light soluble one.
I can guarantee you the bait sinks I've rolled enough of them lol
In reply to Post #10
We're talking about the whole milled shrimp, not the cheap shell waste meal here.
You seem to be missing the point about my original statement. Of course you can get plenty of it in if you're using lots of heavy ingredients, oyster/crab shell, limestone flour, etc etc. My point is that if you have a mix that is quite light (and I'll also include 'active' via enzyme use) then adding this product, even at 2% can create issues.
In terms of the value of the product, the fat level is comparible to full fat GLM, and the AA profile is excellent. And it tastes good too!
We're talking about the whole milled shrimp, not the cheap shell waste meal here.
You seem to be missing the point about my original statement. Of course you can get plenty of it in if you're using lots of heavy ingredients, oyster/crab shell, limestone flour, etc etc. My point is that if you have a mix that is quite light (and I'll also include 'active' via enzyme use) then adding this product, even at 2% can create issues.
In terms of the value of the product, the fat level is comparible to full fat GLM, and the AA profile is excellent. And it tastes good too!
Good afternoon.
I've been looking at this also does anyone know the solubility?
Thanks Tom.
I've been looking at this also does anyone know the solubility?
Thanks Tom.
In reply to Post #12
I wouldn't think solubility will be much at all compared with hydrolysed alternatives. AA Baits do a shrimp hydro powder which I'm sure is a better idea if solubility is what your after. I use this in combination with standard squid meal and highly rate it. Oh, and it's less than a third of the price of the Bacarel stuff 😁
I wouldn't think solubility will be much at all compared with hydrolysed alternatives. AA Baits do a shrimp hydro powder which I'm sure is a better idea if solubility is what your after. I use this in combination with standard squid meal and highly rate it. Oh, and it's less than a third of the price of the Bacarel stuff 😁
In reply to Post #13
Thank you.
I only asked because in the first paragraph of description it mentions the taste once dissolved in water.
I have previously ordered from aa baits but at checkout I could order a free gift, I chose csl and it was like a brown swill terrible quality in comparison to the the feed stimulants version I have used previously and it made me question the quality of their other products.
Thank you.
I only asked because in the first paragraph of description it mentions the taste once dissolved in water.
I have previously ordered from aa baits but at checkout I could order a free gift, I chose csl and it was like a brown swill terrible quality in comparison to the the feed stimulants version I have used previously and it made me question the quality of their other products.
In reply to Post #14
I could be wrong, but they might well have meant to say dispersed in water rather than dissolved.
As for AA Baits' CSL, I have never had any quality issues. It should have a lovely, somewhat boozy aroma and needs a good shake to mix in the sediment after storage. What would you say are the superior qualities of the Feed Stim stuff ?
I could be wrong, but they might well have meant to say dispersed in water rather than dissolved.
As for AA Baits' CSL, I have never had any quality issues. It should have a lovely, somewhat boozy aroma and needs a good shake to mix in the sediment after storage. What would you say are the superior qualities of the Feed Stim stuff ?
In reply to Post #15
Some years ago I spent time researching the original grange bait and the descriptions of the original csl were akin to a thick peanut butter coloured type liquid that would blow the lid off because of the ongoing activity when sealed and not allowed to breath.
Which was exactly like the feed stimulants version.
I could well be jumping the gun questioning quality of ingredients off the back of this, but it doesn't take much to put doubt in my mind 😝.
Some years ago I spent time researching the original grange bait and the descriptions of the original csl were akin to a thick peanut butter coloured type liquid that would blow the lid off because of the ongoing activity when sealed and not allowed to breath.
Which was exactly like the feed stimulants version.
I could well be jumping the gun questioning quality of ingredients off the back of this, but it doesn't take much to put doubt in my mind 😝.
In reply to Post #16
AA are a well trusted firm for quality. Supply bait makers across the country. I've used plenty of their liquids, albeit not CSL and they've been great. As with all companies though there will be misses along the way. No one seems to provide everything!
AA are a well trusted firm for quality. Supply bait makers across the country. I've used plenty of their liquids, albeit not CSL and they've been great. As with all companies though there will be misses along the way. No one seems to provide everything!
In reply to Post #16
I had some lovely hydro wheat last year which blew the top off when first opening and needed regular gassing even when stored in the fridge. This years new batch hasn't gassed at all which makes you wonder if there is either inconsistency between batches or some batches get deactivated.. has anyone had any nice “gassy & active” hydro wheat this year from anywhere?
I had some lovely hydro wheat last year which blew the top off when first opening and needed regular gassing even when stored in the fridge. This years new batch hasn't gassed at all which makes you wonder if there is either inconsistency between batches or some batches get deactivated.. has anyone had any nice “gassy & active” hydro wheat this year from anywhere?
In reply to Post #17
Seems like I jumped the gun with aa I can see from the amount of recommendations in other threads they are a widely respected company.
Which makes me reconsider the shrimp hydro powder 🤔.
Seems like I jumped the gun with aa I can see from the amount of recommendations in other threads they are a widely respected company.
Which makes me reconsider the shrimp hydro powder 🤔.
In reply to Post #18
any powder or liquid from Bacarel will probably be of a better quality than the fishing industry equivalent and without carp tax as most of it is designed for the human food/body building industry
any powder or liquid from Bacarel will probably be of a better quality than the fishing industry equivalent and without carp tax as most of it is designed for the human food/body building industry
In reply to Post #16
The original CSL used was very dark & runny.
When it ceased production the new versions had a different colour and consistency.
Can't comment on the comparisons as I stopped using it once it changed.
The original CSL used was very dark & runny.
When it ceased production the new versions had a different colour and consistency.
Can't comment on the comparisons as I stopped using it once it changed.
In reply to Post #21
Recent stuff seems fine, it's active which is all that counts tbh..
Recent stuff seems fine, it's active which is all that counts tbh..
In reply to Post #20
Bacarel (Seagarden) quality is very high as it is high end food industry stuff, consequently it is costly, which outdoes carp tax in most cases. The AA Baits hydro shrimp is good alternative though, and reasonably priced for bait at least.
Bacarel (Seagarden) quality is very high as it is high end food industry stuff, consequently it is costly, which outdoes carp tax in most cases. The AA Baits hydro shrimp is good alternative though, and reasonably priced for bait at least.
In reply to Post #19
I got the CSL from AA Baits as a free gift a couple of orders back. When it arrived, it would barely stand up straight, due to being so gassed up. I cracked the lid off and pushed the bottle back into its original shape. 3 days later I got all my bait rolling gear out to knock up some fishmeals for freezer stock and saw the CSL had gassed right up again!
Bearing in mind that I wasn't planning on using the CSL until the autumn in a birdfood mix, I thought it best to just pour it away, rather than have it explode because I forget to vent it off 2-3 times a week lol.
To my mind, this is how CSL should be...volatile, but you need to use it quick. If it was the height of summer, I'd be pouring it over my particles. May get some more in my next order!
I got the CSL from AA Baits as a free gift a couple of orders back. When it arrived, it would barely stand up straight, due to being so gassed up. I cracked the lid off and pushed the bottle back into its original shape. 3 days later I got all my bait rolling gear out to knock up some fishmeals for freezer stock and saw the CSL had gassed right up again!
Bearing in mind that I wasn't planning on using the CSL until the autumn in a birdfood mix, I thought it best to just pour it away, rather than have it explode because I forget to vent it off 2-3 times a week lol.
To my mind, this is how CSL should be...volatile, but you need to use it quick. If it was the height of summer, I'd be pouring it over my particles. May get some more in my next order!
In reply to Post #23
Not too sure about pricing mate, £12/15 for 550ml of tuna extract or similar including delivery is decent value. Their squid stuff is superb, and is 6.50 for 550ml free delivery....that's not expensive imo
Not too sure about pricing mate, £12/15 for 550ml of tuna extract or similar including delivery is decent value. Their squid stuff is superb, and is 6.50 for 550ml free delivery....that's not expensive imo
In reply to Post #25
I'm talking about the powders, not the liquids..
I'm talking about the powders, not the liquids..
In reply to Post #24
You can slow the fermentation down significantly by storing in it the fridge. When I buy a 5 litre bottle, I always decant about 1.5 litres out into a spare 2.5 litre bottle. This gives a good bit of headspace to avoid any explosions. Also, with it being in the fridge it's easier to remember to burp the bottles. I like CSL, but don't want the inside of my fridge to be covered in it Lol.
You can slow the fermentation down significantly by storing in it the fridge. When I buy a 5 litre bottle, I always decant about 1.5 litres out into a spare 2.5 litre bottle. This gives a good bit of headspace to avoid any explosions. Also, with it being in the fridge it's easier to remember to burp the bottles. I like CSL, but don't want the inside of my fridge to be covered in it Lol.
Best additive I've used over Trent shrimp is anchovy liquid/fish sauce then once the temps are up dusting with glm and salmon oil.
If you still want the best active csl then look up Marcus at Mirage baits.
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