With the ever increasing use of wafters / pop ups etc I'm wondering whether anyone still uses a hookbait straight out of the bag and with what degree of success . I'm just wondering whether this could give you an edge as I rarely see anyone doing this , thanks.
In reply to Post #1
Yes quite often, why wouldn't it work?
Yes quite often, why wouldn't it work?
In reply to Post #1
Yes all the time on the river match the hatch 100%
Yes all the time on the river match the hatch 100%
In reply to Post #1
Sometimes but I do like a nice pimped up bait of my choice with a dna evo kit to do my hook baits
Sometimes but I do like a nice pimped up bait of my choice with a dna evo kit to do my hook baits
If they are eating the freebies then use one out of the bag. If you fish for a bite and not fishing over many free baits then use a glugged bait.
In reply to Post #1
Always. I've been using DNA SLK shelf.life for 3 years.
Nearly.always just use a boilie from the bag fished as a bottom bait.
Always. I've been using DNA SLK shelf.life for 3 years.
Nearly.always just use a boilie from the bag fished as a bottom bait.
In reply to Post #1
Yes, on a method feeder used the same pellets on a pond I was fishing on holiday recently, great little pond between Chester and mold, caught 13 , made me think I should use the same bait. But slightly bigger. They wasn't interested in my boilies on the other rod.
Yes, on a method feeder used the same pellets on a pond I was fishing on holiday recently, great little pond between Chester and mold, caught 13 , made me think I should use the same bait. But slightly bigger. They wasn't interested in my boilies on the other rod.
In reply to Post #7
Thanks for the replies . Just wondering if we're missing a trick and over complicate things . They are sucking in lots of different items all of the time so is the weight of a hook going to be that noticeable when moving from one freebie to another.
Thanks for the replies . Just wondering if we're missing a trick and over complicate things . They are sucking in lots of different items all of the time so is the weight of a hook going to be that noticeable when moving from one freebie to another.
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Thanks for the replies . Just wondering if we're missing a trick and over complicate things . They are sucking in lots of different items all of the time so is the weight of a hook going to be that noticeable when moving from one freebie to another.
Moving from one freebie to another, the weight of the hook, you just hit on the reason for using a hair
Simplified, but Boilie is sucked in, taken to back of mouth and crushed in pharyngeal teeth, swallowed.
Boilie on hook, weight of hook and bait not going in to back of mouth.
Boilie on hair, around 15-20mm (example), bait is sucked in, taken to back of mouth, hook follows. Carp attempts to blow out non food items, hook in lip...
Bait out of the bag works. Loads of my fish have come on hookbait same as the freebies.
Thanks for the replies . Just wondering if we're missing a trick and over complicate things . They are sucking in lots of different items all of the time so is the weight of a hook going to be that noticeable when moving from one freebie to another.
Moving from one freebie to another, the weight of the hook, you just hit on the reason for using a hair
Simplified, but Boilie is sucked in, taken to back of mouth and crushed in pharyngeal teeth, swallowed.
Boilie on hook, weight of hook and bait not going in to back of mouth.
Boilie on hair, around 15-20mm (example), bait is sucked in, taken to back of mouth, hook follows. Carp attempts to blow out non food items, hook in lip...
Bait out of the bag works. Loads of my fish have come on hookbait same as the freebies.
All the time,never done anything different..
Here's another way of looking at things..
The float angler has 200 floats,he has a favourite float,and used it for years,the other 199,don't get used much,..
Same as all these dedicated super boosted,rocket powered ,mega critically balanced baits that get bought used once then put away ,never to be seen again..
Straight out of the bag or same as what you have made ,on the hair ,get it out in the pond ,do your location,.make sure your hook is sharp....relax ..!
Carping is so simple,...
Here's another way of looking at things..
The float angler has 200 floats,he has a favourite float,and used it for years,the other 199,don't get used much,..
Same as all these dedicated super boosted,rocket powered ,mega critically balanced baits that get bought used once then put away ,never to be seen again..
Straight out of the bag or same as what you have made ,on the hair ,get it out in the pond ,do your location,.make sure your hook is sharp....relax ..!
Carping is so simple,...
In reply to Post #10
You go past a chippy it opens soon what you going to do
You go past a chippy it opens soon what you going to do
straight out the bag,corked and fished as a wafter.
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I'm hungry now Snapper,
OK I'm going in that chippy, salivating ..mmmm...,yum yum,fish chips ,curry sauce.. I'm the first customer,so it's all freshly cooked..
Then ,I'm down the lake ,sitting on the bench ,scoffing the lot..back to car ,get float gear ,some roach fishing..lol..
(I get what you mean)...😄
I'm hungry now Snapper,
OK I'm going in that chippy, salivating ..mmmm...,yum yum,fish chips ,curry sauce.. I'm the first customer,so it's all freshly cooked..
Then ,I'm down the lake ,sitting on the bench ,scoffing the lot..back to car ,get float gear ,some roach fishing..lol..
(I get what you mean)...😄
In reply to Post #8
Hookbait same as the freebies wherever possible. I don't bother glugging.
There was a time when your hookbait had to be as identical to your freebies but times and fads change.
I used to critically balance baits (wafters) but decided that I don't want a bait that moves around caused by a fish approaching the bait.
If I do use a pop up I want it weighted down so the required pop up height is achieved but it doesn't move from the spot.
Hookbait same as the freebies wherever possible. I don't bother glugging.
There was a time when your hookbait had to be as identical to your freebies but times and fads change.
I used to critically balance baits (wafters) but decided that I don't want a bait that moves around caused by a fish approaching the bait.
If I do use a pop up I want it weighted down so the required pop up height is achieved but it doesn't move from the spot.
In reply to Post #1
Test it on one rod in your lake(s). Lots of people will be for this, lots of people won't. Best way to know if it will give you an edge is try it out!
Test it on one rod in your lake(s). Lots of people will be for this, lots of people won't. Best way to know if it will give you an edge is try it out!
Years ago before wafters there was an article on how to negate the weight of hook and line. You just hooked a bit of cork on the hook, cut it down to just taking weight, remove it then make a bolie out around this as you normally would. No wafting just adding back the correct buoyancy. Does it matter - all the 1%s I guess. Whilst I spent all last winter using a plain bottom bait out the batch, I did and always would add something to help the rig act the same as a freebie.
I also use at least 2 sizes of baits and thier ain't a carp around that can work out the exact suck per bait. Like most things, it's about how easy or difficult you want it to be - I prefer overthinking and may cost me or help me but it's all fun.
I also use at least 2 sizes of baits and thier ain't a carp around that can work out the exact suck per bait. Like most things, it's about how easy or difficult you want it to be - I prefer overthinking and may cost me or help me but it's all fun.
In reply to Post #10
Sharp hooks. 3 years ago I stopped being lazy and started to sharpen every cast. Whilst I had the kit, and knew it was worth it. I wouldn't bother IF I felt it was sharp enough, or hadn't had a run, or it was dark, or raining etc.
Now I do it. And if I cock it up and take a better edge of with a pass I keep doing it until its sticky sharp.
Since then , I have consistently caught more fish.
Sharp hooks. 3 years ago I stopped being lazy and started to sharpen every cast. Whilst I had the kit, and knew it was worth it. I wouldn't bother IF I felt it was sharp enough, or hadn't had a run, or it was dark, or raining etc.
Now I do it. And if I cock it up and take a better edge of with a pass I keep doing it until its sticky sharp.
Since then , I have consistently caught more fish.
In reply to Post #13
That's a good answer but whilst on bench I would hope you would be watching the water. It's simple mistakes that can make or break a trip, well done though on going in to the chippy .
That's a good answer but whilst on bench I would hope you would be watching the water. It's simple mistakes that can make or break a trip, well done though on going in to the chippy .
In reply to Post #18
Oh yes ,visualisation.of the intended quarry always paramount on my bench for sure..
A few decent ,curry sauce flavoured chips flicked into the depths ,confirmed they be there..but on this trip its all about cod chips ,curry sauce,a bit of roaching on the pin,...wife turns up with dog,plus two cold rattlers..
Living the dream mate..
Plus ,I do indeed ,mainly use hookbaits straight from packet,no worries or lack of confidence..
Good luck,baint zackly..👍
Oh yes ,visualisation.of the intended quarry always paramount on my bench for sure..
A few decent ,curry sauce flavoured chips flicked into the depths ,confirmed they be there..but on this trip its all about cod chips ,curry sauce,a bit of roaching on the pin,...wife turns up with dog,plus two cold rattlers..
Living the dream mate..
Plus ,I do indeed ,mainly use hookbaits straight from packet,no worries or lack of confidence..
Good luck,baint zackly..👍
In reply to Post #19
Your 1 step ahead of me, chips, bait, so your baiting and eating
Could that curry sauce be a hidro or am I still catching up ,thanks.
Edges
Your 1 step ahead of me, chips, bait, so your baiting and eating
Could that curry sauce be a hidro or am I still catching up ,thanks.
Edges
In reply to Post #20
Yes,you've got it in one Snapper,it's hydrological, ionised ,reconstituted and thus fit for human and piscatorial consumption..plus it taste nice..
The whole subject is subjective,marmite..lol
🤣
Yes,you've got it in one Snapper,it's hydrological, ionised ,reconstituted and thus fit for human and piscatorial consumption..plus it taste nice..
The whole subject is subjective,marmite..lol
🤣
In reply to Post #21
I dare say even isack would have pondered the virtues of hydros under the bough of a oak away from the midday sun in-between gudgeon parties and a tipple
Mad dogs
I dare say even isack would have pondered the virtues of hydros under the bough of a oak away from the midday sun in-between gudgeon parties and a tipple
Mad dogs
In reply to Post #22
A good old bottom bait is a very good tactic right now! Big and heavy ones too!
A good old bottom bait is a very good tactic right now! Big and heavy ones too!
In reply to Post #23
Agree with that!
Also, linked to the thread title, does anyone use boilie freebies that haven't been 'pimped/soaked/prepped' in some way, just straight out the freezer?
Agree with that!
Also, linked to the thread title, does anyone use boilie freebies that haven't been 'pimped/soaked/prepped' in some way, just straight out the freezer?
In reply to Post #24
yeap, straight out the bag, i know full well the carp are feeding on my feeebies, so having a hookbait thats exactly the same as im feeding them has got to be an advantage.
what do they call it these days "match the hatch"
yeap, straight out the bag, i know full well the carp are feeding on my feeebies, so having a hookbait thats exactly the same as im feeding them has got to be an advantage.
what do they call it these days "match the hatch"
In reply to Post #25
They do. Although I've never known a boilie to hatch
They do. Although I've never known a boilie to hatch
In reply to Post #26
nor me, maybe thats the new "active"
nor me, maybe thats the new "active"
In reply to Post #27
These bait companies have mastered the art of catching anglers that's for sure...
These bait companies have mastered the art of catching anglers that's for sure...
In reply to Post #27
It is an interesting point, whether dousing freebies with liquids and whether or not it helps / makes a difference.
It is an interesting point, whether dousing freebies with liquids and whether or not it helps / makes a difference.
In reply to Post #29
catch the angler first
catch the angler first
In reply to Post #25
that phrase irritates the hell out of me
absolutely ridiculous.
I dont use baits straight out of the bag as they are generally soft/soluble and so use a matching hardened hook bait, normally without and additional liquid added.
that phrase irritates the hell out of me
absolutely ridiculous. I dont use baits straight out of the bag as they are generally soft/soluble and so use a matching hardened hook bait, normally without and additional liquid added.
In reply to Post #31
totally agree with you re "out the bag" being softer etc, but there's ways round that, ie meshing or shrink tubing
totally agree with you re "out the bag" being softer etc, but there's ways round that, ie meshing or shrink tubing
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