Hello,
Is it only me or do you think tackle manufacturers need to do more when it comes to preventing tackle thefts?
We spend thousands on new tackle but there seems to be very little if any advancements in technology when it comes to preventing thieves.
For example why can't bite alarm manufacturers use fingerprint technology on a receiver.
If the receiver is not in range or unlocked the alarms don't work.
Rods and Reels could have serial numbers so can be reported stolen and added to a database so when they are sold on the buyer can check to see if the item has been stolen.
I'm sure there is plenty of solutions out there but nothing is ever done.
Is it only me or do you think tackle manufacturers need to do more when it comes to preventing tackle thefts?
We spend thousands on new tackle but there seems to be very little if any advancements in technology when it comes to preventing thieves.
For example why can't bite alarm manufacturers use fingerprint technology on a receiver.
If the receiver is not in range or unlocked the alarms don't work.
Rods and Reels could have serial numbers so can be reported stolen and added to a database so when they are sold on the buyer can check to see if the item has been stolen.
I'm sure there is plenty of solutions out there but nothing is ever done.
In reply to Post #1
Century and free spirit do have serial numbers.
Century and free spirit do have serial numbers.
In reply to Post #1
You could “smart water” your gear if bothers you I guess.
I'm sure the tackle companies could do it but that would add cost and not necessarily add value.
You could “smart water” your gear if bothers you I guess.
I'm sure the tackle companies could do it but that would add cost and not necessarily add value.
In reply to Post #1
ATT has the car alarm system which are like rocking horse turds now.
Smart water and Smart tags are the only reasonable means. I think incorporating biometric technology in an industry like this would cost too much to implement, and no-one would pay the inevitable cost passed onto the consumer. I guess you could create alarms whereby (like the ATT) the sound only comes from the reciever, and the reciever only works with the heads programmed into them, but I would be more concerned with having my 20 year old rods and 15 year old reels nicked as they cannot be replaced like for like.
ATT has the car alarm system which are like rocking horse turds now.
Smart water and Smart tags are the only reasonable means. I think incorporating biometric technology in an industry like this would cost too much to implement, and no-one would pay the inevitable cost passed onto the consumer. I guess you could create alarms whereby (like the ATT) the sound only comes from the reciever, and the reciever only works with the heads programmed into them, but I would be more concerned with having my 20 year old rods and 15 year old reels nicked as they cannot be replaced like for like.
There could be a way of fitting a small tracking device in your rod butts,not sure how well it would work though..
In reply to Post #1
I've got a UV pen that I write my postcode and house number on most of my gear. It only shows up if you shine a UV light on it. I have written the same and my phone number on the inside flap of my rucksack with a black marker pen that proved useful when some scrotes broke into my garage a few years ago and dumped most of the gear (except my emergency stash of £20!) and got it returned pretty quick.
Things like satellite tracking are expensive and will normally incur a monthly fee.
Unfortunately don't have a lot of faith in the police to do some proper coppering unless it drops into their laps.
I've got a UV pen that I write my postcode and house number on most of my gear. It only shows up if you shine a UV light on it. I have written the same and my phone number on the inside flap of my rucksack with a black marker pen that proved useful when some scrotes broke into my garage a few years ago and dumped most of the gear (except my emergency stash of £20!) and got it returned pretty quick.
Things like satellite tracking are expensive and will normally incur a monthly fee.
Unfortunately don't have a lot of faith in the police to do some proper coppering unless it drops into their laps.
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Have tracking on my car and bike, one I pay a monthly subscription the other is included in the purchase price. Too big to fit in a rod butt or bite alarm although I'm sure bite alarm manufacturers could design one into a receiver and alarm heads fairly cheaply.
Have tracking on my car and bike, one I pay a monthly subscription the other is included in the purchase price. Too big to fit in a rod butt or bite alarm although I'm sure bite alarm manufacturers could design one into a receiver and alarm heads fairly cheaply.
All those things don't prevent people stealing cars, and the police have enough issue catching them. Not sure they will put much into tracking a set of rods etc. and people who want to steal things, will always come up with a solution to any security in their way.
Best way to stop people stealing it, is make it hard to access. My expensive stuff, rods alarms reels etc, will always be kept in doors
Best way to stop people stealing it, is make it hard to access. My expensive stuff, rods alarms reels etc, will always be kept in doors
In reply to Post #8
My trakker aren't for the benifit of the police, if either vehicle moves I get an immediate alert to my mobile and can see exactly whare it is and as im never far away could easily follow it.
My trakker aren't for the benifit of the police, if either vehicle moves I get an immediate alert to my mobile and can see exactly whare it is and as im never far away could easily follow it.
there is tracking devices small enough to fit in a rod butt,you can get them small enough to fit push bike frames. as for plod not following up any knicked gear it would hopefully still lead you to where the rods are. then deal with to your own way..
They could start by making reliable stuff at realistic prices. It's got too expensive and too lucrative for thieves.
You can buy perfectly usable rods, reels and alarms for £50 a pop. Why are some 10x that yet not 10x better? And sorry, no bivvy is £1000 worth and a set of alarms costing more than an iPad or laptop.. ffs
You can buy perfectly usable rods, reels and alarms for £50 a pop. Why are some 10x that yet not 10x better? And sorry, no bivvy is £1000 worth and a set of alarms costing more than an iPad or laptop.. ffs
In reply to Post #11
Are you trying to compare a product which will probably sell in its hundreds, to a product which sells into 10's of millions??
Carp fishing products are such a niche market, for companies to be able to make any sort of return then the mark ups have to be high, and that excludes if they are sold through a tackle shop who also need their own share.
Are you trying to compare a product which will probably sell in its hundreds, to a product which sells into 10's of millions??
Carp fishing products are such a niche market, for companies to be able to make any sort of return then the mark ups have to be high, and that excludes if they are sold through a tackle shop who also need their own share.
In reply to Post #12
I'm comparing a device that contains its own mains rechargeable power source with infinite business and social uses to a wireless speaker and movement sensor that requires antiquated battery replacement. It's like comparing an iPad to a kids calculator
There are more carp anglers than ever before and the price of everything has only gone up, disproportionally to everything else in life most of the time.
I'm comparing a device that contains its own mains rechargeable power source with infinite business and social uses to a wireless speaker and movement sensor that requires antiquated battery replacement. It's like comparing an iPad to a kids calculator
There are more carp anglers than ever before and the price of everything has only gone up, disproportionally to everything else in life most of the time.
In reply to Post #1
Doesn´t home insurance cover your gear, even out on the bank ? Even if your gear is "watermarked", selling it on would be hard to trace, and if you do track down stuff that has been stolen, would be almost impossible to resolve in court, as it´s passed through from seller to seller etc.
The extra cost for the manufacturer to "watermark" tackle, would be too much, and increase price of items, but they should provide reasonably cheap insurance coverage, for all the tackle tarts. Best to do it yourself, with your insurance company.
Doesn´t home insurance cover your gear, even out on the bank ? Even if your gear is "watermarked", selling it on would be hard to trace, and if you do track down stuff that has been stolen, would be almost impossible to resolve in court, as it´s passed through from seller to seller etc.
The extra cost for the manufacturer to "watermark" tackle, would be too much, and increase price of items, but they should provide reasonably cheap insurance coverage, for all the tackle tarts. Best to do it yourself, with your insurance company.
In reply to Post #13
There maybe more carp anglers out there than ever before, but then again there are a hell of alot more tackle companies than ever before, thus reducing the total pot that goes round, forcing up the prices of gear ironically
There maybe more carp anglers out there than ever before, but then again there are a hell of alot more tackle companies than ever before, thus reducing the total pot that goes round, forcing up the prices of gear ironically
Considering a dogs microchip is about the same size as a grain of rice, it would not be hard to give the rods a recorded serial number with the RFID in a chip or tag.
That means rods and reels can be easily chipped for later recovery.
The problem with fishing tackle theft is it is not likely for the stolen tackle to stay in the same area and there is too big a second hand market for it to be shifted on to.
That means rods and reels can be easily chipped for later recovery.
The problem with fishing tackle theft is it is not likely for the stolen tackle to stay in the same area and there is too big a second hand market for it to be shifted on to.
In reply to Post #16
Smart Water is a cheaper and simpler solution than an RFID chip. If applying Smart Water to equipment was widely taken up by anglers, and if buyers on the 2nd hand market routinely checked their purchases it would go a long way to help restrict the sale of stolen kit.
Tracking is a non starter with current technology due to the expense.
Smart Water is a cheaper and simpler solution than an RFID chip. If applying Smart Water to equipment was widely taken up by anglers, and if buyers on the 2nd hand market routinely checked their purchases it would go a long way to help restrict the sale of stolen kit.
Tracking is a non starter with current technology due to the expense.
In reply to Post #17
Trakker I have are tiny but need a power supply to operate. Dog thefts have risen dramatically dispite micro chipping.
Trakker I have are tiny but need a power supply to operate. Dog thefts have risen dramatically dispite micro chipping.
In reply to Post #16
What are the chances of a buyer checking to see if a set of rods are stolen after exchanging 500 quid for them??
What are the chances of a buyer checking to see if a set of rods are stolen after exchanging 500 quid for them??
In reply to Post #19
Why would a buyer not want to know that the rods they are buying are stolen?
Why would a buyer not want to know that the rods they are buying are stolen?
In reply to Post #20
What are the chances of someone having an RFID reader? Or UV light for smart water?? I know I haven't, and probably a large percentage of the population. Coupled with the fact it would have to be cross referenced with a data base somewhere, it's alot of faff, which I would suspect most wont be bothered to do.
What are the chances of someone having an RFID reader? Or UV light for smart water?? I know I haven't, and probably a large percentage of the population. Coupled with the fact it would have to be cross referenced with a data base somewhere, it's alot of faff, which I would suspect most wont be bothered to do.
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In reply to Post #20
What are the chances of someone having an RFID reader? Or UV light for smart water?? I know I haven't, and probably a large percentage of the population. Coupled with the fact it would have to be cross referenced with a data base somewhere, it's alot of faff, which I would suspect most wont be bothered to do.
The chances of someone having a RFID reader are actually quite high, it's available as an app on a number of Smartphones with Android.
As for Smart water, I know that 95% of UK police forces actively search in the cases of theft, and it has lead to an 84% reduction of burglaries in some areas.
It does mean that any sale or transfer does have to have a receipt, but thefts can be traced back years.
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What are the chances of someone having an RFID reader? Or UV light for smart water?? I know I haven't, and probably a large percentage of the population. Coupled with the fact it would have to be cross referenced with a data base somewhere, it's alot of faff, which I would suspect most wont be bothered to do.
The chances of someone having a RFID reader are actually quite high, it's available as an app on a number of Smartphones with Android.
As for Smart water, I know that 95% of UK police forces actively search in the cases of theft, and it has lead to an 84% reduction of burglaries in some areas.
It does mean that any sale or transfer does have to have a receipt, but thefts can be traced back years.
In reply to Post #19
If i paid £500 for a set of rods and they was found to be stolen later on I would have lost my £500 plus the chance of getting prosecuted for receiving stolen goods?
Now my thinking is if its harder for tackle to be sold there will be less chances of a thief stealing in the first place.
For example if i seen a set of Daiwa rods on ebay I could ask for a photo of the serial numbers of each rod.
I can then go on to the Daiwa website input the serial numbers and check to see if they have been reported stolen.
Seems a pretty basic way of making it harder for stolen goods to be sold.
If i paid £500 for a set of rods and they was found to be stolen later on I would have lost my £500 plus the chance of getting prosecuted for receiving stolen goods?
Now my thinking is if its harder for tackle to be sold there will be less chances of a thief stealing in the first place.
For example if i seen a set of Daiwa rods on ebay I could ask for a photo of the serial numbers of each rod.
I can then go on to the Daiwa website input the serial numbers and check to see if they have been reported stolen.
Seems a pretty basic way of making it harder for stolen goods to be sold.
In reply to Post #23
The thing is, it's too easy to manipulate the system, can you imagine spraying rods and reels, selling them on and smart water being transferred everywhere, especially if they go to a dealer, before you know it 30 rods all have traces of the same smart water on them, itll end up like what our pound notes are like now with traces of cocaine all over the majority, could be harsh to prove what is what in a courtroom. Also the RFID wont be too hard to find in a rod, theres only a couple of places it can hide.
The thing is, it's too easy to manipulate the system, can you imagine spraying rods and reels, selling them on and smart water being transferred everywhere, especially if they go to a dealer, before you know it 30 rods all have traces of the same smart water on them, itll end up like what our pound notes are like now with traces of cocaine all over the majority, could be harsh to prove what is what in a courtroom. Also the RFID wont be too hard to find in a rod, theres only a couple of places it can hide.
In reply to Post #24
No solution is perfect but if a RFID chip or a serial number was removed this would have to be done by a rod builder or someone very competent at building rods.
Your average thief is not going to be able to do this.
No solution is perfect but if a RFID chip or a serial number was removed this would have to be done by a rod builder or someone very competent at building rods.
Your average thief is not going to be able to do this.
In reply to Post #25
You would hope not, but it wont take long, not necessarily the thieves themselves, but the dodgy middlemen will cotton on quickly.
Look at people buying cars no one actual checks to see if the VIN numbers all match up, most believe the checks have been done, an advert with a few green ticks and people believe it
You would hope not, but it wont take long, not necessarily the thieves themselves, but the dodgy middlemen will cotton on quickly.
Look at people buying cars no one actual checks to see if the VIN numbers all match up, most believe the checks have been done, an advert with a few green ticks and people believe it
In reply to Post #24
Andy Dave, not being funny, but it actually sounds like you are against people who are trying to take a stand against tackle theft, or are just trying to be as difficult as possible
OK, so a microchip the size of a grain of rice, places to hide on a rod; butt cap, reel seat, under whipping (which gives you a minimum of 12 places), shrink tube handle, inside the sections..
As for Smart Water this is from Smart Water themselves the Q&A on their Web page.
ONCE APPLIED, WILL SMARTTRACE TRANSFER ONTO ANYONE WHO LEGITIMATELY COMES INTO CONTACT WITH IT?
No. The Smar****er deterrent is powered by our convictions and thus it is essential that the police can place a criminal at a specific crime scene using your unique forensic code.
Andy Dave, not being funny, but it actually sounds like you are against people who are trying to take a stand against tackle theft, or are just trying to be as difficult as possible
OK, so a microchip the size of a grain of rice, places to hide on a rod; butt cap, reel seat, under whipping (which gives you a minimum of 12 places), shrink tube handle, inside the sections..
As for Smart Water this is from Smart Water themselves the Q&A on their Web page.
ONCE APPLIED, WILL SMARTTRACE TRANSFER ONTO ANYONE WHO LEGITIMATELY COMES INTO CONTACT WITH IT?
No. The Smar****er deterrent is powered by our convictions and thus it is essential that the police can place a criminal at a specific crime scene using your unique forensic code.
In reply to Post #24
How would thirty rods end up with traces of the same smar****er?
How would thirty rods end up with traces of the same smar****er?
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