Hi all. Looking to treat myself to a new set of reels and looking at the lightest big pits from Shimano and Daiwa. None of my local stores ever seem to have them in stock, so will be ordering online without handling first. The style of the Daiwas appeals but any practical experience you can offer on them or the advantages of either brand would be ace!
Push the boat out:
Shimano Aero MGS (495g - c£600 whenever they become available)
Daiwa Basia 17 SLD (485g - £440)
A bit more sensible:
Shimano ci4+ XTC 14000 (540g - £235)
Daiwa Emblem 45 SCW QD-OT (645g - £180) cheapest/heaviest/prettiest
Am replacing some cheap Shimano bait runners that have done me well over the years but are a bit knackered and limiting now. Most of my fishing is mobile day sessions without a barrow, often via public transport, so weight matters here and will be paired with 9ft scopes. Current reels are about 600g. Also will be using them for 3-4 overnight sessions a year on 12ft rods. Whether doing day or night sessions pretty long chucks are often needed at the waters I fish. Current reels are about 600g.
Thanks
Push the boat out:
Shimano Aero MGS (495g - c£600 whenever they become available)
Daiwa Basia 17 SLD (485g - £440)
A bit more sensible:
Shimano ci4+ XTC 14000 (540g - £235)
Daiwa Emblem 45 SCW QD-OT (645g - £180) cheapest/heaviest/prettiest
Am replacing some cheap Shimano bait runners that have done me well over the years but are a bit knackered and limiting now. Most of my fishing is mobile day sessions without a barrow, often via public transport, so weight matters here and will be paired with 9ft scopes. Current reels are about 600g. Also will be using them for 3-4 overnight sessions a year on 12ft rods. Whether doing day or night sessions pretty long chucks are often needed at the waters I fish. Current reels are about 600g.
Thanks
In reply to Post #1
All of those are far too big for scopes
All of those are far too big for scopes
In reply to Post #1
For that kind of investment I wouldn't chose any of them . . .
I would however look at the Daiwa 20 Whisker 25QD . . .should fit the bill (and your rod choices and fishing) nicely . . 450g and loads of line capacity / casting ability
Also look at the heavier Castizm BR25A (515g) if you like a baitrunner or the cheaper Emblem BR25A which is actually 5g lighter and over half the price . . .I use these for barbel fishing and they are excellent . . .
For that kind of investment I wouldn't chose any of them . . .
I would however look at the Daiwa 20 Whisker 25QD . . .should fit the bill (and your rod choices and fishing) nicely . . 450g and loads of line capacity / casting ability
Also look at the heavier Castizm BR25A (515g) if you like a baitrunner or the cheaper Emblem BR25A which is actually 5g lighter and over half the price . . .I use these for barbel fishing and they are excellent . . .
In reply to Post #3
Agreed - that would be my choice of currently available (new) reels (based on having Castizms - i much prefer them to any of the larger reels on my 3.25tc 12ft rods)
Agreed - that would be my choice of currently available (new) reels (based on having Castizms - i much prefer them to any of the larger reels on my 3.25tc 12ft rods)
In reply to Post #2
Why? Bar the Emblem they're all significantly lighter than my current reels.
Why? Bar the Emblem they're all significantly lighter than my current reels.
In reply to Post #1
You really dont need reels that big on 9ft rods
You really dont need reels that big on 9ft rods
For scopes shimano ci4 5500 xtc would be a good choice . I've 3 sets of them 2 on my 10ft rods and a set on my 3lb 12 ft and they all do what I need them to . Super smooth, light weight and a clutch that was made for playing fish on. And as a bonus look pretty smart in black
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Weight is of little relevance with reels, size and build quality are far more important things to consider imo. You won't get the best out of either the rod of the reel with that combination. A smaller reel is way better suited to scopes , something the size of an Ss2600 would be the best way to go.
Weight is of little relevance with reels, size and build quality are far more important things to consider imo. You won't get the best out of either the rod of the reel with that combination. A smaller reel is way better suited to scopes , something the size of an Ss2600 would be the best way to go.
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Great reel those 2600's, a bit limited though seeing as O.P said he's got big distances to fish.
I'd roll with a 5500 size reel as a 5500 is a good in-between size and would be good on a 9ft and also 12ft rod like O.P mentions.
Great reel those 2600's, a bit limited though seeing as O.P said he's got big distances to fish.
I'd roll with a 5500 size reel as a 5500 is a good in-between size and would be good on a 9ft and also 12ft rod like O.P mentions.
In reply to Post #1
Just get yourself some Okuma Inc 6000's, perfect for shorter rods, 460g and save yourself a load of money. - they only cost £50 each You'll be able to afford to go by taxi with the saving.
Just get yourself some Okuma Inc 6000's, perfect for shorter rods, 460g and save yourself a load of money. - they only cost £50 each You'll be able to afford to go by taxi with the saving.
In reply to Post #9
How'd the 5500 get on with casting 100+yards? Would the 14000 not provide a little bit of extra help due to the larger spool?
How'd the 5500 get on with casting 100+yards? Would the 14000 not provide a little bit of extra help due to the larger spool?
In reply to Post #11
Well, if this is any metric to go by, Terry Edmonds was I believe 10 or 15 yards shorter than his identically loaded 14000 reel. Have a search on YouTube and you'll catch his interesting experiment 👍
Well, if this is any metric to go by, Terry Edmonds was I believe 10 or 15 yards shorter than his identically loaded 14000 reel. Have a search on YouTube and you'll catch his interesting experiment 👍
In reply to Post #1
I dont think that you understand how rods and reels balance. It's about far more than just weight. Plus if you are wanting to fish at any considerable distance, why use 9ft rods? They're handy for moving about but will hinder you a lot more than what reel you use (within reason)
Drop Terry Edmunds a message on fb if you want to understand it properly 👍
I dont think that you understand how rods and reels balance. It's about far more than just weight. Plus if you are wanting to fish at any considerable distance, why use 9ft rods? They're handy for moving about but will hinder you a lot more than what reel you use (within reason)
Drop Terry Edmunds a message on fb if you want to understand it properly 👍
In reply to Post #11
Try and borrow a couple of different sized reels and get yourself to either an empty lake or safe field and have a few hours casting various weights with the different reels, weights, rods. I think you'll be amazed at how little difference there is between them.
I did this some years ago.
3.5 Oz lead with 15lb line straight through.
Longest casts were
Technium XT10000 145 yards
Shimano 10000xte 137 yards
Got to say that I was surprised.
I'd suggest that something like a Ci4 5500 would suit you perfectly. Light, cast well and good line management with the size of the spool.
Try and borrow a couple of different sized reels and get yourself to either an empty lake or safe field and have a few hours casting various weights with the different reels, weights, rods. I think you'll be amazed at how little difference there is between them.
I did this some years ago.
3.5 Oz lead with 15lb line straight through.
Longest casts were
Technium XT10000 145 yards
Shimano 10000xte 137 yards
Got to say that I was surprised.
I'd suggest that something like a Ci4 5500 would suit you perfectly. Light, cast well and good line management with the size of the spool.
In reply to Post #11
Why would you want to be casting over 100 yards with 9 foot rods. A basia and mag is way to big to go on a 9 foot rod, it would also look stupid. As mentioned get a 5500 size or an original castizm. There was only 5 yards difference between a castizm and black mag when i tried them side by side on identical rods. I much prefer a smaller sized reel over the huge techs or basias..
Why would you want to be casting over 100 yards with 9 foot rods. A basia and mag is way to big to go on a 9 foot rod, it would also look stupid. As mentioned get a 5500 size or an original castizm. There was only 5 yards difference between a castizm and black mag when i tried them side by side on identical rods. I much prefer a smaller sized reel over the huge techs or basias..
It doesn't say that he wants to fish at 100 yards with 9 foot rods. It says he mostly uses 9ft rods, but also uses 12ft rods for a few sessions a year where he needs to fish at longer range. He would like a reel to do both.
My recommendation for the above would be to try and find a set of the original Castizm. I personally wouldn't bother with the BR version.
I would also be happy using a set of 5000t tournaments on both 9 and 12 foot rods, but that will get the ‘balance' brigade all frothy
My recommendation for the above would be to try and find a set of the original Castizm. I personally wouldn't bother with the BR version.
I would also be happy using a set of 5000t tournaments on both 9 and 12 foot rods, but that will get the ‘balance' brigade all frothy
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Agreed. I have SS2600's with WD speed caps, and Emblem 45's. I bought 3 Inception 6000's for £130 and IMO in the limited use I've had so far they're better than both the above. Already QD but not a 1/4 turn QD so a bit more progressive, lovely positive bail arm click (first thing I noticed when using them), good retrieve, line lay and nice and smooth.
Assuming they don't fall apart, they're immense value for money.
Agreed. I have SS2600's with WD speed caps, and Emblem 45's. I bought 3 Inception 6000's for £130 and IMO in the limited use I've had so far they're better than both the above. Already QD but not a 1/4 turn QD so a bit more progressive, lovely positive bail arm click (first thing I noticed when using them), good retrieve, line lay and nice and smooth.
Assuming they don't fall apart, they're immense value for money.
In reply to Post #9
I was thinking more of something that would suit the scope rods he has, can't really be talking big distances or 9ft rods wouldn't be the choice,no?
I was thinking more of something that would suit the scope rods he has, can't really be talking big distances or 9ft rods wouldn't be the choice,no?
In reply to Post #18
All good advice, cheers folks. Often fish around 100 yards with the scopes, as that's simply the range to get tight to the islands at the closest water to me. Not always fishing that range but that's often where the fish are. Lugging 12ft rods on public transport is such a nightmare it used to put me off going - I go fishing way more often with 9fts than I used to with 12fts, so well well worth it.
Obvs a 9ft rod isn't ideal for it, so a big part of the aim of the new reel is to make life easier to get there consistently.
If the advice is that I'll probably cast further with a smaller size reel like the Shimano ci4+ 5500 or the Daiwa Whisker 25QD then that's great advice and I'll go that way. Mostly they seem to get talked about for fishing at 30-80 yards tho, so if anyone has hands-on experience with either at those distances then that would be great to hear. Don't have the option to borrow and trial any.
If the advice from the Terry Edmonds video (working my way through them but not found the one yet) is that a 14000 will make life 5-10% easier than a 5500 then that probs does make a useful practical difference to me (for much the same cost). Need new reels anyway so why not get the ones that will help the most?
All good advice, cheers folks. Often fish around 100 yards with the scopes, as that's simply the range to get tight to the islands at the closest water to me. Not always fishing that range but that's often where the fish are. Lugging 12ft rods on public transport is such a nightmare it used to put me off going - I go fishing way more often with 9fts than I used to with 12fts, so well well worth it.
Obvs a 9ft rod isn't ideal for it, so a big part of the aim of the new reel is to make life easier to get there consistently.
If the advice is that I'll probably cast further with a smaller size reel like the Shimano ci4+ 5500 or the Daiwa Whisker 25QD then that's great advice and I'll go that way. Mostly they seem to get talked about for fishing at 30-80 yards tho, so if anyone has hands-on experience with either at those distances then that would be great to hear. Don't have the option to borrow and trial any.
If the advice from the Terry Edmonds video (working my way through them but not found the one yet) is that a 14000 will make life 5-10% easier than a 5500 then that probs does make a useful practical difference to me (for much the same cost). Need new reels anyway so why not get the ones that will help the most?
In reply to Post #19
When I was testing a new range for a custom rod builder . I was measuring 147 yards with 12lb line braided shock leader and a 3oz lead on a semi fast 2.75 blank and original 5500 ultegra xtb's . So I don't see why you couldn't get 100 yards with 5500's and the rods you want to use. As long as your technique is good
When I was testing a new range for a custom rod builder . I was measuring 147 yards with 12lb line braided shock leader and a 3oz lead on a semi fast 2.75 blank and original 5500 ultegra xtb's . So I don't see why you couldn't get 100 yards with 5500's and the rods you want to use. As long as your technique is good
In reply to Post #19
If you are using the scopes for the bulk of your fishing then get the size reel that suits them best, which would be something smaller like 5500 size. 14000 size reels on little 9 footers won't be great to use and won't gain you distance ,and could possibly cost you some.
If you are using the scopes for the bulk of your fishing then get the size reel that suits them best, which would be something smaller like 5500 size. 14000 size reels on little 9 footers won't be great to use and won't gain you distance ,and could possibly cost you some.
In reply to Post #21
Daiwa Cast'izm 25 QDA
Shimano ultegra 5500 Ci4+
Shimano medium baitrunner Ci4+
That is everything what you need. Last one I have since 2015 with 50 days on water per year and one reglular service(maintance) without any problem to this day. Very good reel for margin work and medium distance.
I don't know how good is last edition (currently on the Market) of that reel
Daiwa Cast'izm 25 QDA
Shimano ultegra 5500 Ci4+
Shimano medium baitrunner Ci4+
That is everything what you need. Last one I have since 2015 with 50 days on water per year and one reglular service(maintance) without any problem to this day. Very good reel for margin work and medium distance.
I don't know how good is last edition (currently on the Market) of that reel
In reply to Post #19
Here you go, that Terry video...3m difference between the 5500 and 14000 with 10lb line. Like he says, bit different with heavier lines due to the dip in the smaller reel being larger so shouldn't cast as far. Either way, goes to show what the 5500 is capable of given the right technique 👍
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iUBG1QtTo40
Here you go, that Terry video...3m difference between the 5500 and 14000 with 10lb line. Like he says, bit different with heavier lines due to the dip in the smaller reel being larger so shouldn't cast as far. Either way, goes to show what the 5500 is capable of given the right technique 👍
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=iUBG1QtTo40
In reply to Post #18
Definitely agree with you. Little reels for little rods. I use the 2600's on my 9ft rods, would be swamped with a 1400 size reel. A mate of mine uses his 5000T reels on his 10ft rods; they cope with it very well and don't seem like the reels are too big for the rods.
Looking back, I really should have got 5500 for my 9ft rods as the 2600's coil up fluorocarbon really badly, plus the 5500 have better retrieval and are generally a better reel.
Definitely agree with you. Little reels for little rods. I use the 2600's on my 9ft rods, would be swamped with a 1400 size reel. A mate of mine uses his 5000T reels on his 10ft rods; they cope with it very well and don't seem like the reels are too big for the rods.
Looking back, I really should have got 5500 for my 9ft rods as the 2600's coil up fluorocarbon really badly, plus the 5500 have better retrieval and are generally a better reel.
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Thanks TeeCee - really interesting that. Use 12lb/0.33 daiwa sensor mainline for most of my fishing except at one venue in my area that specifies minimum of 15lb/0.35 line, which is the point he says he'd go to a 14000 reel. Not one I fish often though and think there only are about two swims there where about 130yards is even possible but all the rest are under 100, so spool size probably not a factor for me if I stick to my lighter lines. Would be interesting to see the impact 0.35+ line would have on his casting with a 5500, but seems for me like there's not much advantage to the 14000 spool.
Probably leaves me looking at the Shimano ci4+ 5500 and the Daiwa Whisker 25QD. Have seen a few people seem to like the ci4+ ultegras, but does anyone have hands on experience with the smaller Daiwas? The Daiwa seems 50% more expensive but has pretty much identical features to the ci4 shimano from what I can tell.
Are there any particular advantages to going for either brand?
I can also see that at that size the regular Ultegra XTD 5500 would also weigh less than my current reels while being half the price of the ci4s. Besides the ci4s being an extra 60g lighter per reel, is there much to separate them otherwise?
Thanks TeeCee - really interesting that. Use 12lb/0.33 daiwa sensor mainline for most of my fishing except at one venue in my area that specifies minimum of 15lb/0.35 line, which is the point he says he'd go to a 14000 reel. Not one I fish often though and think there only are about two swims there where about 130yards is even possible but all the rest are under 100, so spool size probably not a factor for me if I stick to my lighter lines. Would be interesting to see the impact 0.35+ line would have on his casting with a 5500, but seems for me like there's not much advantage to the 14000 spool.
Probably leaves me looking at the Shimano ci4+ 5500 and the Daiwa Whisker 25QD. Have seen a few people seem to like the ci4+ ultegras, but does anyone have hands on experience with the smaller Daiwas? The Daiwa seems 50% more expensive but has pretty much identical features to the ci4 shimano from what I can tell.
Are there any particular advantages to going for either brand?
I can also see that at that size the regular Ultegra XTD 5500 would also weigh less than my current reels while being half the price of the ci4s. Besides the ci4s being an extra 60g lighter per reel, is there much to separate them otherwise?
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I've had a waggle with the Daiwas Whiskers just out of interest but have never used / cast them . . .they are very light and compact but the 25 spool can def chuck the distance easy . . .match anglers are casting up to 100 with Castizm feeder reels with braid and heavy feeder rods and these are the same spool size . . .
For what its worth look at this vid - Cast 30 wraps like a boss
Darrell Peck using Castizm BR25's on his marker rod. . .IMO save the dosh and get the Emblem BR25As instead . . .same real body, same spool size, similar tech, lighter and half the price . . .
I've had a waggle with the Daiwas Whiskers just out of interest but have never used / cast them . . .they are very light and compact but the 25 spool can def chuck the distance easy . . .match anglers are casting up to 100 with Castizm feeder reels with braid and heavy feeder rods and these are the same spool size . . .
For what its worth look at this vid - Cast 30 wraps like a boss
Darrell Peck using Castizm BR25's on his marker rod. . .IMO save the dosh and get the Emblem BR25As instead . . .same real body, same spool size, similar tech, lighter and half the price . . .
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