Thinking of treating myself to a set of Basia reels but not sure if I can justify the cost. For the price of one QDX I could replace my tournies with two new reels. That said I've always had my eye on Basia's. Will likely go for the QDX, the SLR or some of the customs from the site.
In reply to Post #1
No they are not worth the price,if you can afford them then go for it.We are only here once and if its something you want,get them
No they are not worth the price,if you can afford them then go for it.We are only here once and if its something you want,get them
In reply to Post #1
They are good, very good, but to expensive, still I Use them with joy,😎
They are good, very good, but to expensive, still I Use them with joy,😎
Depends what worth it means. I'd imagine they will add a couple of yards range on an extreem cast over a tournie. Im not sure how much, but id imagine its litterally a couple of yards. If you were at the point that a couple of extra yards was the difference between a bite or not, then worth it all day long.
If not, its just what you feel happiest sat behind. If you have the money to spend, and ypu like the look and feel of them, then why not. Its worth it to you.
But if you were going to end up paying £50 a month for the next 10 years for them. Then absolutely not.
If not, its just what you feel happiest sat behind. If you have the money to spend, and ypu like the look and feel of them, then why not. Its worth it to you.
But if you were going to end up paying £50 a month for the next 10 years for them. Then absolutely not.
In reply to Post #1
Much prefer the SLD over the others but the retrieval rate is shocking and you here the drag going in the Korda OD videos..yuk, sounded like sand paper when Danny got a run
Much prefer the SLD over the others but the retrieval rate is shocking and you here the drag going in the Korda OD videos..yuk, sounded like sand paper when Danny got a run
In reply to Post #1
Just get the u know u will
Just get the u know u will
In reply to Post #1
I think the SLD are,
The SCW 19 isn't.....When you have the 2 side by side you can see where the cost cutting has occurred in several places.
I'd say it's more of an upgraded Emblem than a Basia.
I think the SLD are,
The SCW 19 isn't.....When you have the 2 side by side you can see where the cost cutting has occurred in several places.
I'd say it's more of an upgraded Emblem than a Basia.
In reply to Post #7
I didn't like either of them when I had them,I now have the 20 scw.These are my favourite reel I have owned out of them all
I didn't like either of them when I had them,I now have the 20 scw.These are my favourite reel I have owned out of them all
In reply to Post #8
Would you prefer the 20 SCW over a set of Basiar ?
Would you prefer the 20 SCW over a set of Basiar ?
In reply to Post #9
Without a shadow of a doubt.
Without a shadow of a doubt.
In reply to Post #9
Very little difference in it, between all off the basias
Very little difference in it, between all off the basias
In reply to Post #11
The retrieval rates are a big difference, I'd only be looking at the slower 4.1-1 models personally, not that I'm in the market for any at the moment
The retrieval rates are a big difference, I'd only be looking at the slower 4.1-1 models personally, not that I'm in the market for any at the moment
In reply to Post #1
go to statbucks if you want to hear a proper coffee grinder astounded so many sheep buy these shocking reels just shows how easily influenced people are .
go to statbucks if you want to hear a proper coffee grinder astounded so many sheep buy these shocking reels just shows how easily influenced people are .
In reply to Post #1
Personally having a particular well known tackle company state the basia's where junk and refused to sell them and insisted I get tournies and more over go else where to purchase them. I'd not bother. This was ten years ago and personally I wouldn't bother having heard and watch friends die over those years.
I do have a set of original ISOs that once serviced where as good as my 6Ks although both have trade offs.
Personally having a particular well known tackle company state the basia's where junk and refused to sell them and insisted I get tournies and more over go else where to purchase them. I'd not bother. This was ten years ago and personally I wouldn't bother having heard and watch friends die over those years.
I do have a set of original ISOs that once serviced where as good as my 6Ks although both have trade offs.
In reply to Post #13
Hum.
Hum.
In reply to Post #14
So well known, they like to remain anonymous?
So well known, they like to remain anonymous?
In reply to Post #9
Never had the Basiair but the 20 scw feels more robust than the other two basia I tried and sold.The sld was nicer than the 19scw but the 20scw is better again imo.
Never had the Basiair but the 20 scw feels more robust than the other two basia I tried and sold.The sld was nicer than the 19scw but the 20scw is better again imo.
In reply to Post #9
Whatever you do don't buy the latest Shimano mgs,they are even worse than the xtb version,utter junk
Whatever you do don't buy the latest Shimano mgs,they are even worse than the xtb version,utter junk
In reply to Post #16
Sounds like Vox
Sounds like Vox
In reply to Post #19
Fox told you basias are crap and that is what you based your opinion on? Or tackle box?
Fox told you basias are crap and that is what you based your opinion on? Or tackle box?
In reply to Post #19
Sounds like bull**** to me
Sounds like bull**** to me
In reply to Post #20
Fox have got a cheek if that's the case. Their reel internals are made of monkey metal lol. Don't think there is much betwen daiwa and shimano , personal preference. My 35 scw emblems are great apart from line occasionally going behind line guard. I think the more affordable daiwa and shimano still better than any other companies.
Fox have got a cheek if that's the case. Their reel internals are made of monkey metal lol. Don't think there is much betwen daiwa and shimano , personal preference. My 35 scw emblems are great apart from line occasionally going behind line guard. I think the more affordable daiwa and shimano still better than any other companies.
In reply to Post #22
Don't agree with that,Penn affinity are better than the cheaper shimano and daiwa.I have Daiwa basia 20 scw and the castizm 25 qda on my 10fts,if I was starting up again I would have penn affinity 7000ltd on my distance set up and okuma 6000 on my 10fts and have a grand in my pocket
Don't agree with that,Penn affinity are better than the cheaper shimano and daiwa.I have Daiwa basia 20 scw and the castizm 25 qda on my 10fts,if I was starting up again I would have penn affinity 7000ltd on my distance set up and okuma 6000 on my 10fts and have a grand in my pocket
In reply to Post #23
All up to personal choice, you can drive from A to B in a lada or bmw, they do the job
All up to personal choice, you can drive from A to B in a lada or bmw, they do the job
In reply to Post #23
Looking at getting a set of the 20's is there any major difference between them & the 19 SCW apart form the colour & 300quid ?
Looking at getting a set of the 20's is there any major difference between them & the 19 SCW apart form the colour & 300quid ?
In reply to Post #23
100% true regards the Penn's, better than anything Shimano or daiwa have on offer at that price, or even double it
100% true regards the Penn's, better than anything Shimano or daiwa have on offer at that price, or even double it
In reply to Post #26
Do you reckon it's been improved at all?
I waited so long for the original to prove itself they discontinued it.. that put me off any later models in case they too get discontinued and I needed a part. They've also crept up in price
Do you reckon it's been improved at all?
I waited so long for the original to prove itself they discontinued it.. that put me off any later models in case they too get discontinued and I needed a part. They've also crept up in price
In reply to Post #25
The 20's are mag sealed and feel stronger to me,they are super smooth.If they perform as good as my castizms I will be extremely happy,I can now get my magseals serviced locally so I'm not worried if any issues.
The 20's are mag sealed and feel stronger to me,they are super smooth.If they perform as good as my castizms I will be extremely happy,I can now get my magseals serviced locally so I'm not worried if any issues.
In reply to Post #27
The only thing they changed was the main shaft inside,the rep told me the original suffered with a bit of flex.It only happened when fully extended and under heavy load but it was enough for penn to change it.Im not sure if they eventually did change anything else on them,the company that do the UK spares for Penn are superb too.My mate had a drag cap that lost its click,they sent him two free of charge
The only thing they changed was the main shaft inside,the rep told me the original suffered with a bit of flex.It only happened when fully extended and under heavy load but it was enough for penn to change it.Im not sure if they eventually did change anything else on them,the company that do the UK spares for Penn are superb too.My mate had a drag cap that lost its click,they sent him two free of charge
In reply to Post #27
I've not seen the latest ones noj so couldn't comment on that. There wasn't much difference between the first 2 models. I know the carbon ones are quite a lot more expensive than the older models . I'd be surprised if they werent decent though .
I've not seen the latest ones noj so couldn't comment on that. There wasn't much difference between the first 2 models. I know the carbon ones are quite a lot more expensive than the older models . I'd be surprised if they werent decent though .
In reply to Post #29
Where can you get the spares from mate, I've a couple of drag caps that have got a bit worn.
Where can you get the spares from mate, I've a couple of drag caps that have got a bit worn.
In reply to Post #31
KP Spares,I know my mate spoke to someone on the phone and they were brilliant
KP Spares,I know my mate spoke to someone on the phone and they were brilliant
In reply to Post #32
cool, thanks
cool, thanks
In reply to Post #29
Basia or penn topic?
Basia or penn topic?
In reply to Post #34
Forum for discussion,did you contribute anything with your post
Forum for discussion,did you contribute anything with your post
In reply to Post #30
Yeah that's why I held out and why I won't bother I think,
They couldn't be happy making a sturdy serviceable reel. They had to capitalise and milk it
Yeah that's why I held out and why I won't bother I think,
They couldn't be happy making a sturdy serviceable reel. They had to capitalise and milk it
In reply to Post #35
Question was “ Basias - worth it”
Question was “ Basias - worth it”
In reply to Post #37
Already answered that question,go read the thread and you will see not just me that has mentioned the Penns so ask others too if it's Basia or Penn topic
Already answered that question,go read the thread and you will see not just me that has mentioned the Penns so ask others too if it's Basia or Penn topic
In reply to Post #38
I use Basiair, Basia 19, 20 on different rod set for different situations,
best daiwa basia reels are in my opinion:
1 Basiair
2 Basia 20
3 Basia 19
and yes penn are very good, but basiair is 440 gr, penn 7000 is 680 gr.
basiair is thing of beauty, each its own taste.
I use Basiair, Basia 19, 20 on different rod set for different situations,
best daiwa basia reels are in my opinion:
1 Basiair
2 Basia 20
3 Basia 19
and yes penn are very good, but basiair is 440 gr, penn 7000 is 680 gr.
basiair is thing of beauty, each its own taste.
In reply to Post #39
Like I said not had the Basiair but I have had the original iso,the 19scw,sld and now the 20scw.
1.Basia 20
2.Original iso
3.Sld
4.Basia 19
You had better start another thread if you want do your Shimano list,this is about Basia's remember
Like I said not had the Basiair but I have had the original iso,the 19scw,sld and now the 20scw.
1.Basia 20
2.Original iso
3.Sld
4.Basia 19
You had better start another thread if you want do your Shimano list,this is about Basia's remember
In reply to Post #40
Turned into another Dick swinging contest 😂😂😂
Turned into another Dick swinging contest 😂😂😂
In reply to Post #41
Just took a while find a reel I like
Just took a while find a reel I like
In reply to Post #39
Jesus, I wish I had your disposable income.
The best reels I've owned are not daiwa so I won't sully the thread by mentioning them. You crack on with your hobby. Each to their own.
Jesus, I wish I had your disposable income.
The best reels I've owned are not daiwa so I won't sully the thread by mentioning them. You crack on with your hobby. Each to their own.
In reply to Post #42
Wasn't aimed at you mate 😉
Wasn't aimed at you mate 😉
In reply to Post #21
Why would I BS, happy to stake my life on the conversation that I had I can't guarantee it was sound advise just that I was told to go for the tourneys. I've known of two situations where the spindle bent on the cast with the original basia and a friend has trashed his basiars in 7 years for me thats really important my original set of gold Emblems are still in use after ten years of me having them. As for shims sadly the 10000XTs where the best they made and no available parts for them the mags have just gone from decent to scrap as far as another friend is concerned.
Why would I BS, happy to stake my life on the conversation that I had I can't guarantee it was sound advise just that I was told to go for the tourneys. I've known of two situations where the spindle bent on the cast with the original basia and a friend has trashed his basiars in 7 years for me thats really important my original set of gold Emblems are still in use after ten years of me having them. As for shims sadly the 10000XTs where the best they made and no available parts for them the mags have just gone from decent to scrap as far as another friend is concerned.
In reply to Post #37
I would say no, I had to have my ISOs services before I felt they where better than my tournies which had also been serviced, both new.
I would say no, I had to have my ISOs services before I felt they where better than my tournies which had also been serviced, both new.
In reply to Post #45
Who said it then? If a shop told you not to get basias, then suggested you go elsewhere to buy other reels, im assuming they didnt have a daiwa account anyway, so surely wont worry about losing it based on your revelations of top secret conversations.
And the mates that bent the spindles one, again. Danny fairbrass and darrell peck have used basias for years. And the same sets at that. And they fish far more than any regular person would. Danny fairbrass is a multi millionaire, so could change reels weekly if he wanted. Yet hasnt, and im sure if he had any issues, he would have done.
Who said it then? If a shop told you not to get basias, then suggested you go elsewhere to buy other reels, im assuming they didnt have a daiwa account anyway, so surely wont worry about losing it based on your revelations of top secret conversations.
And the mates that bent the spindles one, again. Danny fairbrass and darrell peck have used basias for years. And the same sets at that. And they fish far more than any regular person would. Danny fairbrass is a multi millionaire, so could change reels weekly if he wanted. Yet hasnt, and im sure if he had any issues, he would have done.
In reply to Post #47
It will be a mate of a mate of a mates uncles brothers friend.The korda boys probably don't pay for their reels but I get your point
It will be a mate of a mate of a mates uncles brothers friend.The korda boys probably don't pay for their reels but I get your point
In reply to Post #48
They don't just not pay for them, they actually get paid by Daiwa!
Off camera, from what I hear from a friend who works there, most of them choose to use Basias, Infinity rods (but a Longbow for Spodding), Tempests and anything but the new Delkims
They don't just not pay for them, they actually get paid by Daiwa!
Off camera, from what I hear from a friend who works there, most of them choose to use Basias, Infinity rods (but a Longbow for Spodding), Tempests and anything but the new Delkims
In reply to Post #49
Is there no end to the unsubstantiated *****, heard from a mate, that we are constantly subject to on here?
Is there no end to the unsubstantiated *****, heard from a mate, that we are constantly subject to on here?
In reply to Post #50
Nope my mate just told me it's always like this
Nope my mate just told me it's always like this
In reply to Post #47
Please re read my posts.
Please re read my posts.
In reply to Post #48
In reply to Post #52
We have, that's why we're so confused
If it's fox, they have no choice in not selling basias. They're made by Daiwa
If it's tackle box, they probably didn't sell them to you because nobody pays the rrp for reels and they don't compete on price
We have, that's why we're so confused
If it's fox, they have no choice in not selling basias. They're made by Daiwa
If it's tackle box, they probably didn't sell them to you because nobody pays the rrp for reels and they don't compete on price
In reply to Post #52
Ive re read them. And the mystery still remains
Have you ever actually owned basias? Or is this all based off what “mates” have told you, and what this mystery shop said? I have basias, have had for over. Decade, not a single issue, a few mates have had aswell, no issues for them either. Maybe your “mates” are just clumsy and dont look after stuff.
One of my mates also had trials at westham and knocked out a horse with one punch
Ive re read them. And the mystery still remains
Have you ever actually owned basias? Or is this all based off what “mates” have told you, and what this mystery shop said? I have basias, have had for over. Decade, not a single issue, a few mates have had aswell, no issues for them either. Maybe your “mates” are just clumsy and dont look after stuff.
One of my mates also had trials at westham and knocked out a horse with one punch
In reply to Post #37
Answer. No
Answer. No
In reply to Post #54
The Tacklebox offer their SAH service on Basia's,i have not read up on it but I'm sure it's an extended warranty done by them.Why would they offer that service on a product with so many faults,it would end up costing them money if people were constantly sending Basia's back
The Tacklebox offer their SAH service on Basia's,i have not read up on it but I'm sure it's an extended warranty done by them.Why would they offer that service on a product with so many faults,it would end up costing them money if people were constantly sending Basia's back
In reply to Post #1
I treated myself to a couple of Basia 45QDA's over ten years ago and never looked back. I've used Mitchell 300s, Cardinals, Baitrunners - standard and the tank that is the Long Cast and also have a set of Penn 7000s. All I can say is that they are a pleasure to use, coupled with the right rod it's like match fishing, the whole set up feels in-sync and balanced.
I've used them at a variety of ranges and on rivers, channels and expansive Dutch meres - just joyful. The drag is lovely and properly 'stepped' and contrary to the current 80's trend of backwinding, never suffered line twist playing fish off the clutch. The Penn's are great all rounders, reliable and good value for money but if you've been fishing for a while and want to treat yourself...go for it. The Daiwa service was prompt and quick, I lost a bale arm screw after 7years (user error) in a pit so just sent the reel back direct to Daiwa - far quicker than waiting for a retailer to do it. Just bought a 3rd from Tackle UK in Somerset and got my brother to send it to me in NL
I treated myself to a couple of Basia 45QDA's over ten years ago and never looked back. I've used Mitchell 300s, Cardinals, Baitrunners - standard and the tank that is the Long Cast and also have a set of Penn 7000s. All I can say is that they are a pleasure to use, coupled with the right rod it's like match fishing, the whole set up feels in-sync and balanced.
I've used them at a variety of ranges and on rivers, channels and expansive Dutch meres - just joyful. The drag is lovely and properly 'stepped' and contrary to the current 80's trend of backwinding, never suffered line twist playing fish off the clutch. The Penn's are great all rounders, reliable and good value for money but if you've been fishing for a while and want to treat yourself...go for it. The Daiwa service was prompt and quick, I lost a bale arm screw after 7years (user error) in a pit so just sent the reel back direct to Daiwa - far quicker than waiting for a retailer to do it. Just bought a 3rd from Tackle UK in Somerset and got my brother to send it to me in NL
In reply to Post #50
Seems bit OTT. I am guessing you own the new Delkims then
Seems bit OTT. I am guessing you own the new Delkims then
Just seen on Total Tackle Spare spools for the 20 scw £179 each got to be a misprint surely🤪
In reply to Post #60
Thank god they come with spare spools,no way I would pay that for them
Thank god they come with spare spools,no way I would pay that for them
In reply to Post #61
Dearer than a Basiair spool
Dearer than a Basiair spool
In reply to Post #59
Yes mate, i own and use them, and have done in some horrendous weather, so know they are decent from my own experience and not from the ramblings of an imaginary friend
Yes mate, i own and use them, and have done in some horrendous weather, so know they are decent from my own experience and not from the ramblings of an imaginary friend
In reply to Post #62
Crazy 🤪
Crazy 🤪
In reply to Post #1
I have a set of basia customs cost me £900 on finance,always wanted a set and I work many hours so treated myself and almost paid off now fantastic pair of reels to go with my Harris custom torrix yes they are 10' cork handles but don't worry about what people say as I fish for myself and not others.
I have a set of basia customs cost me £900 on finance,always wanted a set and I work many hours so treated myself and almost paid off now fantastic pair of reels to go with my Harris custom torrix yes they are 10' cork handles but don't worry about what people say as I fish for myself and not others.
In reply to Post #65
Amen👍
I fish in Holland so most of my fellow Dutch anglers don't know what they're looking at, Daiwa isn't a popular brand here.
Amen👍
I fish in Holland so most of my fellow Dutch anglers don't know what they're looking at, Daiwa isn't a popular brand here.
In reply to Post #1
I'd personally wait for a set of old Shimano 10'000 mgs xsa or 10000 mgs xsb's to come up on the secondhand market ,there is so much bad press and reviews written about Daiwa reels ,you'd be a fool to even contemplate them
I'd personally wait for a set of old Shimano 10'000 mgs xsa or 10000 mgs xsb's to come up on the secondhand market ,there is so much bad press and reviews written about Daiwa reels ,you'd be a fool to even contemplate them
In reply to Post #67
Had Daiwa for last few years and they have been faultless
Had Daiwa for last few years and they have been faultless
In reply to Post #67
Which is why the Korda & *Nash boys all use Daiwa reels *(before Nash launched their range) & match anglers like Steve Ringer
Which is why the Korda & *Nash boys all use Daiwa reels *(before Nash launched their range) & match anglers like Steve Ringer
In reply to Post #69
No they are not worth it I owned a set and sold them on to get my money back .they look beautiful but the equivalent of a Italian car . Shimano will win hands down every time it's what they do make gears they are the market leader in bikes as well
No they are not worth it I owned a set and sold them on to get my money back .they look beautiful but the equivalent of a Italian car . Shimano will win hands down every time it's what they do make gears they are the market leader in bikes as well
In reply to Post #67
Bad press and reviews? Where exactly?
Bad press and reviews? Where exactly?
In reply to Post #70
Older shimano reels maybe,latest offerings not a chance
Older shimano reels maybe,latest offerings not a chance
In reply to Post #70
Paid £420 for 3rd Basia in May, respectfully disagree regarding current Shimano offer. If you want an exceptional reel & vfm, then the Penn Affinty 7000 is hard to beat. But imho Daiwa Basias are the DB's.
Paid £420 for 3rd Basia in May, respectfully disagree regarding current Shimano offer. If you want an exceptional reel & vfm, then the Penn Affinty 7000 is hard to beat. But imho Daiwa Basias are the DB's.
In reply to Post #70
Nonsense argument. Shimano make gears for bikes out of completely different materials than reel internals and with a completely different purspose.
Daiwa make fishing reels..
I'll leave that with you, but both make some good stuff
Nonsense argument. Shimano make gears for bikes out of completely different materials than reel internals and with a completely different purspose.
Daiwa make fishing reels..
I'll leave that with you, but both make some good stuff
In reply to Post #72
I couldn't agree more hence why I suggested the mgs xsa ,or xsb models
I couldn't agree more hence why I suggested the mgs xsa ,or xsb models
In reply to Post #74
I'm not sure that it is a nonsense argument to be fair. Shimano parts are made of a cocktail of different alloy's and steel variants, carbons etc that have been manufacturing items since 1921, considerably longer than Diawa which the former has become highly skilled at providing to customers with.
I've seen the reel that Bradders has in the flesh, and to be perfectly honest, aesthetically, it's not that pleasing to my eye. The gripe that I've heard mentioned on here about the XTC spool cap being plastic, the Diawa reel to my eye looks incredibly like plastic to me.
A guy on the place where I fish has Basiar's - not sure which ones -- apparently they're quite expensive from what I remember him telling me - they make a terrible noise; all creaking and whining as he turns the reel handle, and about 2 years old too so he mentioned. The guy uses them 3 nights a week, every week.
With all due respect to Bradders, he doesn't go out enough to be able to draw any conclusions as to how good they really are. I'm sure to him they look fantastic, the proof as they say is in the eating.
Some mentioned the likes of Peck and company using Diawa reels, it wouldn't surprise me that as soon as a reel starts playing up, a new one is sent out pronto, wouldn't look great publicity wise on a Korda DVD with a creaking, screeching top end reel would it?
Although I've got Techs myself which incidentally I think ar a fantastic reel, I've not got a dog in the race as to which is better or worse. If you want to buy top end Diawa, or similar Shimano's, if you can afford it, go for it.
I'm not sure that it is a nonsense argument to be fair. Shimano parts are made of a cocktail of different alloy's and steel variants, carbons etc that have been manufacturing items since 1921, considerably longer than Diawa which the former has become highly skilled at providing to customers with.
I've seen the reel that Bradders has in the flesh, and to be perfectly honest, aesthetically, it's not that pleasing to my eye. The gripe that I've heard mentioned on here about the XTC spool cap being plastic, the Diawa reel to my eye looks incredibly like plastic to me.
A guy on the place where I fish has Basiar's - not sure which ones -- apparently they're quite expensive from what I remember him telling me - they make a terrible noise; all creaking and whining as he turns the reel handle, and about 2 years old too so he mentioned. The guy uses them 3 nights a week, every week.
With all due respect to Bradders, he doesn't go out enough to be able to draw any conclusions as to how good they really are. I'm sure to him they look fantastic, the proof as they say is in the eating.
Some mentioned the likes of Peck and company using Diawa reels, it wouldn't surprise me that as soon as a reel starts playing up, a new one is sent out pronto, wouldn't look great publicity wise on a Korda DVD with a creaking, screeching top end reel would it?
Although I've got Techs myself which incidentally I think ar a fantastic reel, I've not got a dog in the race as to which is better or worse. If you want to buy top end Diawa, or similar Shimano's, if you can afford it, go for it.
In reply to Post #76
But reel gearing in what carp anglers buy is generally cast crap and plastic, doesn't matter who makes it when it's all basically the same.
Funny, razorback on here has had basiairs (the original top spec model) for ages and they've been fine.
Every person I know with qda and qdx have had no more issues than any other reel of the same popularity.
I don't like the basia, it's too long with too long a stroke for my liking. I also don't like the 14k shimano, it's ridiculous.
As for what people at Korda use, I wouldn't know or care and would've thought you would be wary of jumping to conclusions after last time
But reel gearing in what carp anglers buy is generally cast crap and plastic, doesn't matter who makes it when it's all basically the same.
Funny, razorback on here has had basiairs (the original top spec model) for ages and they've been fine.
Every person I know with qda and qdx have had no more issues than any other reel of the same popularity.
I don't like the basia, it's too long with too long a stroke for my liking. I also don't like the 14k shimano, it's ridiculous.
As for what people at Korda use, I wouldn't know or care and would've thought you would be wary of jumping to conclusions after last time
In reply to Post #76
How often do I get out?have you not learnt to stop talking about others when you know **** all about them
How often do I get out?have you not learnt to stop talking about others when you know **** all about them
In reply to Post #77
Its probably safe to say that one anecdotal tale doesn't make the whole? Different anglers take varying degrees of care with their kit. You get some anglers that treat very expensive kit like absolute trash, and others mollycoddle their gear; I'm in the middle somewhere.
To be fair, I've not used the top tier Diawa's of today. Maybe the Magsealed lark is all that it's cut out to be. To my mind, it sounds more like sales patter. I've had my fair share of Diawa's over the years, on the whole, they are very good reels.
Its probably safe to say that one anecdotal tale doesn't make the whole? Different anglers take varying degrees of care with their kit. You get some anglers that treat very expensive kit like absolute trash, and others mollycoddle their gear; I'm in the middle somewhere.
To be fair, I've not used the top tier Diawa's of today. Maybe the Magsealed lark is all that it's cut out to be. To my mind, it sounds more like sales patter. I've had my fair share of Diawa's over the years, on the whole, they are very good reels.
In reply to Post #78
Youve said yourself that youve not been out for ages as you've had a stroke, no?
Youve said yourself that youve not been out for ages as you've had a stroke, no?
In reply to Post #80
Yes this year has been a bit different shall we say,it felt more like a sweeping statement not just about this year
Yes this year has been a bit different shall we say,it felt more like a sweeping statement not just about this year
In reply to Post #81
I am right in saying that the spool cap on yours is plastic, yeah? I would have preferred that Shimano would have made a titanium spool cap for the Tech. Possibly a titanium spool cap wouldn't have the same tone as a plastic one?
I remember talking to a guy that worked in a tackle shop bemoaning the cost of a bail arm for the Basiair's he had. I'm not sure which ones he had other than it wasn't your ones. The bloke said that he'd bent a bail arm and a replacement was £115, which to me seemed like Diawa were seriously taking the piss.
Just to reiterate: I really don't care for the my brand X reel is better than yours, it's just so tedious. I'm very happy with what I've got like I know you're very happy with what you've got.
I am right in saying that the spool cap on yours is plastic, yeah? I would have preferred that Shimano would have made a titanium spool cap for the Tech. Possibly a titanium spool cap wouldn't have the same tone as a plastic one?
I remember talking to a guy that worked in a tackle shop bemoaning the cost of a bail arm for the Basiair's he had. I'm not sure which ones he had other than it wasn't your ones. The bloke said that he'd bent a bail arm and a replacement was £115, which to me seemed like Diawa were seriously taking the piss.
Just to reiterate: I really don't care for the my brand X reel is better than yours, it's just so tedious. I'm very happy with what I've got like I know you're very happy with what you've got.
In reply to Post #82
Is there anyone on this forum that have personally had issues with basias, not just not liking them, but actual issues? I dont care if your mates had apparent issues, but actual first hand experience of the spindle bending etc? And im not talking about a bit of noise cause youve not kept them clean either
Is there anyone on this forum that have personally had issues with basias, not just not liking them, but actual issues? I dont care if your mates had apparent issues, but actual first hand experience of the spindle bending etc? And im not talking about a bit of noise cause youve not kept them clean either
In reply to Post #83
In my experience of the SLD Basia....they have the normal basia spool on them which means you only need it to rain hard whilst fishing and the bounce up of gritty rain will cause the terrible graunching noise most have heard of.
However if you remove the spool cap and wipe the top of the spool and the underside of the spool cap the problem goes away....a slight pita however not the end of the world.
The SCW on the other hand has the older style Tournament 5000 type spool drag so doesn't suffer with the same problem.
Only other problem I've encountered with the SLD is the wooden handles will not sit straight leading to complete ocd meltdown and replacement with Basiar handles in my case
And way back in the day when the original Basia came out the handles on mine used to make a clicking noise when reeling in.
I'd of said if you don't look after your stuff avoid Basias...however having seen Darryl Pecks close up it looks like he's been rubbing his with turds...go figure
In my experience of the SLD Basia....they have the normal basia spool on them which means you only need it to rain hard whilst fishing and the bounce up of gritty rain will cause the terrible graunching noise most have heard of.
However if you remove the spool cap and wipe the top of the spool and the underside of the spool cap the problem goes away....a slight pita however not the end of the world.
The SCW on the other hand has the older style Tournament 5000 type spool drag so doesn't suffer with the same problem.
Only other problem I've encountered with the SLD is the wooden handles will not sit straight leading to complete ocd meltdown and replacement with Basiar handles in my case
And way back in the day when the original Basia came out the handles on mine used to make a clicking noise when reeling in.
I'd of said if you don't look after your stuff avoid Basias...however having seen Darryl Pecks close up it looks like he's been rubbing his with turds...go figure
In reply to Post #83
99% of the problems people have are accidental damage or poor/zero maintenance with any reel.
A float reel could handle most carp fishing, just retrieves slowly and lacks line capacity/stores heavy line badly. When your main drive gear is made from dairylea triangles and the rest are PLASTIC you know it's not built to last.. so you go with what you think will be better supported with parts, which Daiwa do very well and I've found easier. And yes, if you're clumsy enough to bend something it'll cost you, whereas service parts are usually not too bad
99% of the problems people have are accidental damage or poor/zero maintenance with any reel.
A float reel could handle most carp fishing, just retrieves slowly and lacks line capacity/stores heavy line badly. When your main drive gear is made from dairylea triangles and the rest are PLASTIC you know it's not built to last.. so you go with what you think will be better supported with parts, which Daiwa do very well and I've found easier. And yes, if you're clumsy enough to bend something it'll cost you, whereas service parts are usually not too bad
In reply to Post #85
And on the other hand, it makes me laugh all these newbies getting top end reels serviced every year
As long as you don't throw them in the lake every week, reels should last you years without being opened up, and opening them up to service them just risks dirt getting inside from a poor job and making them worse.
I've had my ISO's 15 years and they have been serviced once.
And on the other hand, it makes me laugh all these newbies getting top end reels serviced every year
As long as you don't throw them in the lake every week, reels should last you years without being opened up, and opening them up to service them just risks dirt getting inside from a poor job and making them worse.
I've had my ISO's 15 years and they have been serviced once.
Shimano Ultegra xtc 14000 ci4 are very good reels getting good reviews from nearly everybody that uses them, I sold my basias to buy a set on recommendation and I'm very happy I did. Brilliant reels. I pocketed the change brought a new bivvy with the difference.
There is a set on ebay at the moment about £500, bargainl
There is a set on ebay at the moment about £500, bargainl
Shimano Ultegra xtc 14000 ci4 are very good reels getting good reviews from nearly everybody that uses them, I sold my basias to buy a set on recommendation and I'm very happy I did. Brilliant reels. I pocketed the change brought a new bivvy with the difference.
There is a set on ebay at the moment about £500, bargainl
There is a set on ebay at the moment about £500, bargainl
In reply to Post #86
Not trying to be a smart arse here, how often do you fish and what sorts of places do you fish. The point I was making earlier on which I'll expand here is that unless these things get a proper hammering, you can't really draw any great conclusions has to how great X piece of kit is. I mean, if you're hardly going and that when you go you fish waters of an acre or so, you're not really putting any strain on things, hence they'll last year's and years.
Maybe you're always out and my comments are moot
Not trying to be a smart arse here, how often do you fish and what sorts of places do you fish. The point I was making earlier on which I'll expand here is that unless these things get a proper hammering, you can't really draw any great conclusions has to how great X piece of kit is. I mean, if you're hardly going and that when you go you fish waters of an acre or so, you're not really putting any strain on things, hence they'll last year's and years.
Maybe you're always out and my comments are moot
In reply to Post #86
Agree mate. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Some reels just require a bit more care, like the basia spool needing a wipe; doubt letting that accumulate would be good in the long run.
If people are half sensible the only thing that should need replacing is gears, bearings, bushes and the odd worm drive.
Most big pit reels are just surf reels for distance casting and retrieving shrapnel on the beach anyway. You'd happily use an ss2600 or maybe 5000t for a tarpon, big bass etc. Not a basia or basiair
Amuses me when people say “they use them sea fishing”... yes, for 1lb whiting
Agree mate. If it ain't broke don't fix it. Some reels just require a bit more care, like the basia spool needing a wipe; doubt letting that accumulate would be good in the long run.
If people are half sensible the only thing that should need replacing is gears, bearings, bushes and the odd worm drive.
Most big pit reels are just surf reels for distance casting and retrieving shrapnel on the beach anyway. You'd happily use an ss2600 or maybe 5000t for a tarpon, big bass etc. Not a basia or basiair
Amuses me when people say “they use them sea fishing”... yes, for 1lb whiting
I've got a set of QDX's. Prior to this I had a set of original 45QD's. I have had a few big pit style reels since leaving the Shimmy 8010 baitrunners behind - original Biomaster Titanos GT, original Shimano Longcasts, Daiwa Inifinity 5500'(twice), Shimano Technium 10000XT and as mentioned the two types of Basia's.
All these reels are different in individual performance, perhaps longevity, aesthetics, weight, Baitrunner/ non Baitrunner, QD spools and price. If I had to pick the best of the bunch taking in account all the previously mentioned then the Technium XT 10000 stands head and shoulders above the rest. I sold them because I felt I had been lucky to have no faults with them, but if I ever did then the lack of spares would be a problem. Anyway, that's the position I'm coming from.
Re the Basia's. The original 45 QD's were fine. I had no problems with them at all. As mentioned on another post heavy rain could get grit under the spool but a quick wipe solved it. Slight bugbears were the clicking handle and the bright silver colour. Both of these were minor niggles which I knew about prior to buying them so it's just an observation rather than complaint. I swapped these with a bit of cash for the Techniums on here with Prutster 👍. I had them for quite a few years then got a bit paranoid about the spares situation, sold them and have regretted it ever since. With the cash I got I bought a set of Basia QDX. Exactly the same as the 45 QD's but in matt black. They looked better than the silver QD's but did wonder why Daiwa went to all the trouble of using magnesium aluminium alloy then paint them like a cheaper plastic reel
That aside they are reliable, cast well, retrieve well with a good drag. With these my main criticism is that the Matt black paint is very fragile and easily scratches off and worse the undercoat is white. But as a fishing tool they are good.
A twist to the tale is that a few days ago I ordered a Penn Affinity 11 custom Carbon reel, as a fourth rod reel and general dogsbody. Inevitably I will be comparing it against the Basia. I got a very good deal so if I like them and can get 3 of them for the cost of 1 QDX then the Basia's may go and the excess cash put towards something else.
For clarity on use I'm retired so fish for 1 week a month, every month, spring,summer,autumn and winter.
All these reels are different in individual performance, perhaps longevity, aesthetics, weight, Baitrunner/ non Baitrunner, QD spools and price. If I had to pick the best of the bunch taking in account all the previously mentioned then the Technium XT 10000 stands head and shoulders above the rest. I sold them because I felt I had been lucky to have no faults with them, but if I ever did then the lack of spares would be a problem. Anyway, that's the position I'm coming from.
Re the Basia's. The original 45 QD's were fine. I had no problems with them at all. As mentioned on another post heavy rain could get grit under the spool but a quick wipe solved it. Slight bugbears were the clicking handle and the bright silver colour. Both of these were minor niggles which I knew about prior to buying them so it's just an observation rather than complaint. I swapped these with a bit of cash for the Techniums on here with Prutster 👍. I had them for quite a few years then got a bit paranoid about the spares situation, sold them and have regretted it ever since. With the cash I got I bought a set of Basia QDX. Exactly the same as the 45 QD's but in matt black. They looked better than the silver QD's but did wonder why Daiwa went to all the trouble of using magnesium aluminium alloy then paint them like a cheaper plastic reel
That aside they are reliable, cast well, retrieve well with a good drag. With these my main criticism is that the Matt black paint is very fragile and easily scratches off and worse the undercoat is white. But as a fishing tool they are good.A twist to the tale is that a few days ago I ordered a Penn Affinity 11 custom Carbon reel, as a fourth rod reel and general dogsbody. Inevitably I will be comparing it against the Basia. I got a very good deal so if I like them and can get 3 of them for the cost of 1 QDX then the Basia's may go and the excess cash put towards something else.
For clarity on use I'm retired so fish for 1 week a month, every month, spring,summer,autumn and winter.
In reply to Post #86
I thought my ISOs where horrible compared to my services 6Ks which I did after a year due to speaking with Garry. The manufacturers reely do not assemble them very well. So I had my ISOs services after a year of having them and although Garry thought they where in extremely good condition and only upgraded the handle bearing and clicker they came back feeling fair better than they where originally.
I thought my ISOs where horrible compared to my services 6Ks which I did after a year due to speaking with Garry. The manufacturers reely do not assemble them very well. So I had my ISOs services after a year of having them and although Garry thought they where in extremely good condition and only upgraded the handle bearing and clicker they came back feeling fair better than they where originally.
In reply to Post #91
Very interested to hear your thoughts on the Penn compared with your previous/current reels.
Very interested to hear your thoughts on the Penn compared with your previous/current reels.
AS for my comments on Basias take it or leave it and ironically I spoke with another angler on my syndicate the other day whom was raving about my 6Ks offered to purchase them off me if I where to sell them he has owned 5ks for 20'years and has a second set and without my mentioning Basias he went on to recall experiences of people he knows that have had with them and referring in particular to a reel serving company that laughs at how they keep him in business.
Good luck anyway personally 7 years for a reel to burn out isn't for me along with the various other things I've heard from decent anglers each to their own.
Good luck anyway personally 7 years for a reel to burn out isn't for me along with the various other things I've heard from decent anglers each to their own.
In reply to Post #89
I fish every other week most of the year, venues vary. I'd say they have been put through their paces. When I got them I was warned about the basias bending the main shaft so went for the ISO's.
I fish every other week most of the year, venues vary. I'd say they have been put through their paces. When I got them I was warned about the basias bending the main shaft so went for the ISO's.
In reply to Post #95
Funny you should bring up bent shafts.
With both my Basia models I was worried about this, especially when seeing them being packed away in a vehicle on its way to France. Between the paranoid Basia owners and 50mm ring rod owners it was slightly comical. Also a simple precaution of making sure the spools were fully in the down position before packing them away for a trip where they are crammed in with loads of other gear isn't exactly rocket science, it's just good housekeeping with any reel.
My own particular Basia's never suffered, neither did any of my mates. However my second set of Daiwa Infinities which I bought second hand, 2 of them showed an off centre shaft. These reels are known for their toughness, often being described as ‘being built like tanks' which I readily agree with. I suspect that any damage like this is the down to the owner rather than the reel unless it is due to a genuine accident rather than abuse.
Also people tend to forget the only job of the oscillating centre shaft is simply to go up and down. Rotation, locking, bail arm operation are all functions of the rotor or bail arm mechanism. I sometimes think this simple operation gets magical type properties attributed to it.
Funny you should bring up bent shafts.
With both my Basia models I was worried about this, especially when seeing them being packed away in a vehicle on its way to France. Between the paranoid Basia owners and 50mm ring rod owners it was slightly comical. Also a simple precaution of making sure the spools were fully in the down position before packing them away for a trip where they are crammed in with loads of other gear isn't exactly rocket science, it's just good housekeeping with any reel.
My own particular Basia's never suffered, neither did any of my mates. However my second set of Daiwa Infinities which I bought second hand, 2 of them showed an off centre shaft. These reels are known for their toughness, often being described as ‘being built like tanks' which I readily agree with. I suspect that any damage like this is the down to the owner rather than the reel unless it is due to a genuine accident rather than abuse.
Also people tend to forget the only job of the oscillating centre shaft is simply to go up and down. Rotation, locking, bail arm operation are all functions of the rotor or bail arm mechanism. I sometimes think this simple operation gets magical type properties attributed to it.
In reply to Post #96
It was my understanding that the shafts could bend on a hard cast, but like you said, making sure the spool isn't right out should prevent it. Might treat myself to some basias next time...
It was my understanding that the shafts could bend on a hard cast, but like you said, making sure the spool isn't right out should prevent it. Might treat myself to some basias next time...
In reply to Post #97
Indeed my belief and (let me spell it out for those on here) I'm not a great caster and yes I know people and have witnessed cast to 150 yards that a fellow angler achieved with camcads, I've owned plenty of reels and it's not difficult to research and handle and discuss what's good and what's not. A bailiff on my local water has hit 180 yards and bent the spindle of the basia and it was not the first time I had heard about this happening, as said take that as you will, linch me if you can't get your head around the basic fact that I provide evidence try and call me out. . I won't purchase them as I have absolutely no need to as I have a set of 6Ks I might one day get the Weston shaft as said good luck on whatever you go for as mention her many think they are good.
Indeed my belief and (let me spell it out for those on here) I'm not a great caster and yes I know people and have witnessed cast to 150 yards that a fellow angler achieved with camcads, I've owned plenty of reels and it's not difficult to research and handle and discuss what's good and what's not. A bailiff on my local water has hit 180 yards and bent the spindle of the basia and it was not the first time I had heard about this happening, as said take that as you will, linch me if you can't get your head around the basic fact that I provide evidence try and call me out. . I won't purchase them as I have absolutely no need to as I have a set of 6Ks I might one day get the Weston shaft as said good luck on whatever you go for as mention her many think they are good.
In reply to Post #98
Funny how those that use them have no issues, but your “mates” have had loads.
Ive just googled “basia bent spindle”, researching as you say, and theres very little out there. Mainly posts by you, and a couple of people whos mates have had it happen.
And please explain to me the physics behind bending the spindle on a cast? sounds like utter bull**** to me.
Not sure why you feel the need to pipe up and give negative opinions everytime basias are mentioned, baring in mind youve never used them. Did a basia sleep with your wife?
Funny how those that use them have no issues, but your “mates” have had loads.
Ive just googled “basia bent spindle”, researching as you say, and theres very little out there. Mainly posts by you, and a couple of people whos mates have had it happen.
And please explain to me the physics behind bending the spindle on a cast? sounds like utter bull**** to me.
Not sure why you feel the need to pipe up and give negative opinions everytime basias are mentioned, baring in mind youve never used them. Did a basia sleep with your wife?
In reply to Post #99
I have heard the ladies prefer a bent shaft
I have heard the ladies prefer a bent shaft
In reply to Post #99
Oh stop being such a moron, momentum, is the answer FD. Let me explain once again for you, i asked the question ten years ago and they opinions then where
Not good I've asked a few since then and still opinions where not good, I waited 15 years before getting ISOs options where superb, id rather a pair of 10k Shims however Shimano where clueless and dropped them. I truly believe you have missed everything said. Justify what ever you for it really doesn't bother me I have purchased the odd bit of rubbish myself.
Oh stop being such a moron, momentum, is the answer FD. Let me explain once again for you, i asked the question ten years ago and they opinions then where
Not good I've asked a few since then and still opinions where not good, I waited 15 years before getting ISOs options where superb, id rather a pair of 10k Shims however Shimano where clueless and dropped them. I truly believe you have missed everything said. Justify what ever you for it really doesn't bother me I have purchased the odd bit of rubbish myself.
In reply to Post #101
So youre making sweeping judgements, based on what youve been told by people, who may be making stuff up themselves, with no personal experience of it, and im a moron. Problem with people that talk ****, is they dont like being called out for talking ****
Do you really believe that during a cast, there is that much pressure put on the spindle of a reel, to actually bend it? That is a serious theory right? More likely its happened in transport or hes dropped it, and then come up with the wonderful theory that its happened on a massive cast.
You expect people from to give your ramblings credit, yet were still awaiting the big reveal of this mystery tackle shop. Did they beg you not to say anything after telling you that? A look of regret across their faces, “oh no weve let 5the cat out the bag, what if he tells someone this massive secret”
And i dont need to justify anything ive bought. Ive been more than happy with mine, they are up for sale as i need the money for a college course, and im not using them. I will buy another set when i can afford to. I'm not one of these delusional people that think everything i own is amazing and everything else is rubbish. I have 5000ts, as far as reels go they are pretty awful to use, but they do a job i want them to do. I can wade out to cast, not worrying about them being submerged, drag them through bushes, leave them on the floor, reasons it bought them. I would never recommend them to anyone, unless they were going into a similar situation as im using them for. But i do actually own and use them, therefor my opinion is based on experience, not some nonesense someone heard from their mates dog once.
So youre making sweeping judgements, based on what youve been told by people, who may be making stuff up themselves, with no personal experience of it, and im a moron. Problem with people that talk ****, is they dont like being called out for talking ****
Do you really believe that during a cast, there is that much pressure put on the spindle of a reel, to actually bend it? That is a serious theory right? More likely its happened in transport or hes dropped it, and then come up with the wonderful theory that its happened on a massive cast.
You expect people from to give your ramblings credit, yet were still awaiting the big reveal of this mystery tackle shop. Did they beg you not to say anything after telling you that? A look of regret across their faces, “oh no weve let 5the cat out the bag, what if he tells someone this massive secret”
And i dont need to justify anything ive bought. Ive been more than happy with mine, they are up for sale as i need the money for a college course, and im not using them. I will buy another set when i can afford to. I'm not one of these delusional people that think everything i own is amazing and everything else is rubbish. I have 5000ts, as far as reels go they are pretty awful to use, but they do a job i want them to do. I can wade out to cast, not worrying about them being submerged, drag them through bushes, leave them on the floor, reasons it bought them. I would never recommend them to anyone, unless they were going into a similar situation as im using them for. But i do actually own and use them, therefor my opinion is based on experience, not some nonesense someone heard from their mates dog once.
Let's face it since the likes of the Diawa SS 3000 5000T Shimano Tech XT original BIG bait runner the majority of reels are in comparison crap the increase in the use of aluminium plastic gears all supposedly due to weight saving but in reality it's down to money saving measures !! They will all perform well enough but as with most modern day products come back in 20 30 yrs time & see how many are still working !
Undoubtedly there are still a few that are better quality Shimano Stella Diawa Saltiga's Van Stsl etc but have no experience of these even they could be pony 😀
Why do do reel threads ALWAYS turn into a dick swinging contest 🤷♂️
Undoubtedly there are still a few that are better quality Shimano Stella Diawa Saltiga's Van Stsl etc but have no experience of these even they could be pony 😀
Why do do reel threads ALWAYS turn into a dick swinging contest 🤷♂️
In reply to Post #103
To be fair basias and techs are far from crap, neither are their other models. Most reels now are technically much better than a 5000t/ss, let alone a basia or tech.
They build to a price point; if you want a car, phone, pc, tv. It's the same, ascending models of not quite as **** as the last but not ideal unless you buy the top spec. A logical improvement would be all brass or stainless gears etc, which they may have now for all I know. But I very much doubt it, it's just not worth it.
And ffs Basia spindles bend and the reels are crap he says, what reels have you got.. 6000t with a bloody great long spindle and spool
To be fair basias and techs are far from crap, neither are their other models. Most reels now are technically much better than a 5000t/ss, let alone a basia or tech.
They build to a price point; if you want a car, phone, pc, tv. It's the same, ascending models of not quite as **** as the last but not ideal unless you buy the top spec. A logical improvement would be all brass or stainless gears etc, which they may have now for all I know. But I very much doubt it, it's just not worth it.
And ffs
Basia spindles bend and the reels are crap he says, what reels have you got.. 6000t with a bloody great long spindle and spool
In reply to Post #104
Technology has the fixed spool reel drastically changed in the past 50 yrs ? lighter faster retrieval but Crap as in the materials used in the gearing !! Quality has been sacrificed to save weight & money IMO especially when you compare them to some earlier ABU models like the Cardinals or the Suveran
Technology has the fixed spool reel drastically changed in the past 50 yrs ? lighter faster retrieval but Crap as in the materials used in the gearing !! Quality has been sacrificed to save weight & money IMO especially when you compare them to some earlier ABU models like the Cardinals or the Suveran
NO Basias are not worth the money end of argument.When you see what other manufacturers are able to produce for a hell of alot less money and do exactly the same job.The bent shaft debate is all hearsay,I have not once seen a photo to prove the my mate knows someone who has done it casting really show me the proof.
really show me the proof.
In reply to Post #105
Sort of true. They were more like a spinning reel, you can buy a spinning reel with stainless main gear and machined body that'll survive nuclear armageddon.. for a price
Sort of true. They were more like a spinning reel, you can buy a spinning reel with stainless main gear and machined body that'll survive nuclear armageddon.. for a price
In reply to Post #107
As I've said not seen the internals of the top end shimmy's & Diawa's spinning reels etc but I'm assuming their guts are of a higher quality ?
As I've said not seen the internals of the top end shimmy's & Diawa's spinning reels etc but I'm assuming their guts are of a higher quality ?
In reply to Post #108
They're not brass or stainless I don't think.
Okuma, van staal, zeebas, penn all use or have recently used it. And I mean big SW spinning reels, not 2000 trout and perch reels.
As I said though it would be pretty pointless
They're not brass or stainless I don't think.
Okuma, van staal, zeebas, penn all use or have recently used it. And I mean big SW spinning reels, not 2000 trout and perch reels.
As I said though it would be pretty pointless
In reply to Post #103
I believe there's always a trade off with middling of the road kit Vs super lightweight kit. As great as the super lightweight kit is, there's more of a chance these things won't be able to be punished like the middling of the road kit just by the nature of the materials used in both.
There comes a point where things can't get made any lighter just because all of the structural integrity has gone/material longevity in the persuit of weight saving, that is unless some marvelous unobtanium comes along.
The nearest thing in modern times that even comes close to the term *bullet proof" of the Cardinal 55 is the 5000 Tournament, apart from the rubbers on the spool, and it's collosal weight, it's an epic reel - had a set years back. To get something that is as tank like the 5000 Tournament and as lightweight as a top end Basiair melded into one, can't see that happening anytime soon.
I believe there's always a trade off with middling of the road kit Vs super lightweight kit. As great as the super lightweight kit is, there's more of a chance these things won't be able to be punished like the middling of the road kit just by the nature of the materials used in both.
There comes a point where things can't get made any lighter just because all of the structural integrity has gone/material longevity in the persuit of weight saving, that is unless some marvelous unobtanium comes along.
The nearest thing in modern times that even comes close to the term *bullet proof" of the Cardinal 55 is the 5000 Tournament, apart from the rubbers on the spool, and it's collosal weight, it's an epic reel - had a set years back. To get something that is as tank like the 5000 Tournament and as lightweight as a top end Basiair melded into one, can't see that happening anytime soon.
In reply to Post #105
Machining tolerances has improved vastly over the last 50 years. Wear in mating gears is double edged sword, spread the load over a larger area should reduce wear for a given loading but friction between mating surfaces creates wear so manufacturers use different materials to reduce the friction and in many cases these materials are more expensive to develop and produce so I don't buy your made cheap veiw.
Machining tolerances has improved vastly over the last 50 years. Wear in mating gears is double edged sword, spread the load over a larger area should reduce wear for a given loading but friction between mating surfaces creates wear so manufacturers use different materials to reduce the friction and in many cases these materials are more expensive to develop and produce so I don't buy your made cheap veiw.
Would there be me force exerted on a spool if the spool is extended and say someone pulls for a break or pulling against a snag/weed without wrapping the line around something else so direct pull on spool via right angle on bail arm, or very hard fighting sea fish stripping braid off tight spool?
If spool shafts are going to bend i would have thought this type of thing is what would cause more damage than most people casting? if this can cause damage then a reel with the longer spool stroke would damage easier, spool shafts do and can bend many years ago i have slightly bent a shaft on an xt tech and no idea how i did it fortunately i managed to get hold of the last spares shimano felindre had at the time
If spool shafts are going to bend i would have thought this type of thing is what would cause more damage than most people casting? if this can cause damage then a reel with the longer spool stroke would damage easier, spool shafts do and can bend many years ago i have slightly bent a shaft on an xt tech and no idea how i did it fortunately i managed to get hold of the last spares shimano felindre had at the time
In reply to Post #111
So what you're saying is plastic is more expensive than brass & machining as apposed to injection moulding is also more cost affective ? Perhaps you're living in a parallel universe
So what you're saying is plastic is more expensive than brass & machining as apposed to injection moulding is also more cost affective ? Perhaps you're living in a parallel universe
In reply to Post #112
I've never bought the 'bent while casting' argument for that reason, I just don't see how you could apply that amount of lateral force holding the line next to the spool lip.
There's more lateral force when you play a fish imo
I've never bought the 'bent while casting' argument for that reason, I just don't see how you could apply that amount of lateral force holding the line next to the spool lip.
There's more lateral force when you play a fish imo
In reply to Post #113
Don't know any reel manufacturer using plastic gears but the cold forged gears used by daiwa and shimano is certainly more expensive than brass which is very cheap.
Don't know any reel manufacturer using plastic gears but the cold forged gears used by daiwa and shimano is certainly more expensive than brass which is very cheap.
In reply to Post #115
Steel scrap £600 per metric tonne Aluminium scrap £600 per metric tonne Brass scrap £3000 per metric tonne
Steel scrap £600 per metric tonne Aluminium scrap £600 per metric tonne Brass scrap £3000 per metric tonne
In reply to Post #116
Null and void argument. Material costs probably make up 0.00000000001% of the sale price of a reel.
Null and void argument. Material costs probably make up 0.00000000001% of the sale price of a reel.
In reply to Post #117
Awww do you think it's the cheap Foreign labour then ?
Awww do you think it's the cheap Foreign labour then ?
In reply to Post #85
“When your main drive gear is made from dairylea triangles and the rest are PLASTIC you know it's not built to last” Brilliant
“When your main drive gear is made from dairylea triangles and the rest are PLASTIC you know it's not built to last” Brilliant
Someone hit the nail on the head. The top end light fancy reels are a joy to use but are likely much more fragile than the old workhorses. If you need a workhorse, basias probably aren't the best choice.
I believe that the original ISO's are the best of both worlds, pretty robust but quite light and nice and shiny too.
I believe that the original ISO's are the best of both worlds, pretty robust but quite light and nice and shiny too.
In reply to Post #119
Exactly why on Earth would you use cheap plastic when you could quite easily use a more expensive longer lasting material such as brass for your gears ? I mean it's nothing to do with profit margins is it 😂
Exactly why on Earth would you use cheap plastic when you could quite easily use a more expensive longer lasting material such as brass for your gears ? I mean it's nothing to do with profit margins is it 😂
With reels, which are a reasonably complex machine with gears, bearings, shafts and bushes, there is always going to be a certain amount of wear. When we buy a car we know that there are a number of consumable items which will need replacing during its lifetime - tyres, brakes, sometimes discs, wiper blades, belts, timing chains, cam belts, water pumps etc etc. You don't refuse to buy a certain car because you think the tyres will need changing at sometime in the future.
Reels are no different. Some of the internal components will probably need replacing over its lifetime if it gets a fair amount of use. Bushes for example are a sacrificial item, designed in a softer material so the more expensive harder part like the main shaft doesn't wear but the softer bush does. The more expensive reel should have the ability for these items to be easily replaced, normally inside a push fit housing. Cheaper reels possibly have these items in a non removable setting so it can't be replaced so the reel feels loose and sloppy until it finally just stops working. Also with roller bearing, needle bearings or ball races it's unlikely the reel manufacturer these days actually make their own as it's far cheaper to buy in from a specialised bearing manufacturer, so the bearing around your oscillating shaft is probably the same as one in a microwave turntable or your hoover. This is where servicing comes into play as these items will be replaced,re-lubricated with new lubricants and the whole reel feels new again. Some companies even offer upgrades to better specialist performance parts - just like a car. Also seeing bits of nylon in your reel innards isn't necessarily cost cutting. It is a proven engineering habit as nylon, PTFE and Teflon are to an extent self lubricating due to the slickness of the material. Abu 55's have nylon internal parts and even the earlier metal bodied 77 have nylon main shaft bushes and these were built in the 70's and still going strong ( I have a set of 3).
You expect a high end reel to have decently machined parts and the consumable parts to be easy to obtain and replace as required. You also expect that reputable company to have a decent R&D department which will iron out any design issues and a decent QC process to weed out any sub standard parts or builds. Of course the downside of this is they will probably have a sales department that will spew out bull***** about the moonlight glinting on the subdued colour of the end cap and a finance department which will work out what each unit costs to produce then stick on the profit margin plus extra carp tax!
Reels are no different. Some of the internal components will probably need replacing over its lifetime if it gets a fair amount of use. Bushes for example are a sacrificial item, designed in a softer material so the more expensive harder part like the main shaft doesn't wear but the softer bush does. The more expensive reel should have the ability for these items to be easily replaced, normally inside a push fit housing. Cheaper reels possibly have these items in a non removable setting so it can't be replaced so the reel feels loose and sloppy until it finally just stops working. Also with roller bearing, needle bearings or ball races it's unlikely the reel manufacturer these days actually make their own as it's far cheaper to buy in from a specialised bearing manufacturer, so the bearing around your oscillating shaft is probably the same as one in a microwave turntable or your hoover. This is where servicing comes into play as these items will be replaced,re-lubricated with new lubricants and the whole reel feels new again. Some companies even offer upgrades to better specialist performance parts - just like a car. Also seeing bits of nylon in your reel innards isn't necessarily cost cutting. It is a proven engineering habit as nylon, PTFE and Teflon are to an extent self lubricating due to the slickness of the material. Abu 55's have nylon internal parts and even the earlier metal bodied 77 have nylon main shaft bushes and these were built in the 70's and still going strong ( I have a set of 3).
You expect a high end reel to have decently machined parts and the consumable parts to be easy to obtain and replace as required. You also expect that reputable company to have a decent R&D department which will iron out any design issues and a decent QC process to weed out any sub standard parts or builds. Of course the downside of this is they will probably have a sales department that will spew out bull***** about the moonlight glinting on the subdued colour of the end cap and a finance department which will work out what each unit costs to produce then stick on the profit margin plus extra carp tax!
In reply to Post #122
Very wise words indeed.
Very wise words indeed.
A picture of a 1975 Abu 55 salesman's demo reels showing nylon gear wheel.
In reply to Post #124
I have a pair of Abu 54's in the loft, the gears have gone – not even a good dentist could sort those teeth out
I'm using Mitchell 301's as replacements on my Traditional set up; they have of all things - Ally Gears, but set in a six gear chain to spread the load, and set in a constant semi-fluid grease bath.
I have a pair of Abu 54's in the loft, the gears have gone – not even a good dentist could sort those teeth out
I'm using Mitchell 301's as replacements on my Traditional set up; they have of all things - Ally Gears, but set in a six gear chain to spread the load, and set in a constant semi-fluid grease bath.
In reply to Post #125
Aha...the Mitchell ‘Level Wind Drive System'
Often copied, never bettered......even if it does drive the rotor the wrong way around
Aha...the Mitchell ‘Level Wind Drive System'
Often copied, never bettered......even if it does drive the rotor the wrong way around
In reply to Post #116
What has scrap metal prices got to do with it? Daiwa don't make the gears from scrap and there are loads of different aluminium alloys from cheap to expensive.
Precision cold-forged gears symbolize Shimano's metalworking technology.
Unlike with hot forging, Shimano's precision cold forging technology, in which metal is compressed at room temperatures, achieves excellent precision and strength. The HAGANE Gear is produced by applying about 200 tons of pressure to the raw metal. This technology involves no cutting work to forge a high-precision gear with micron accuracy in a single process, and this is unlike any other in the world. Such quality deserves to be called “transformed metal.
What has scrap metal prices got to do with it? Daiwa don't make the gears from scrap and there are loads of different aluminium alloys from cheap to expensive.
Precision cold-forged gears symbolize Shimano's metalworking technology.
Unlike with hot forging, Shimano's precision cold forging technology, in which metal is compressed at room temperatures, achieves excellent precision and strength. The HAGANE Gear is produced by applying about 200 tons of pressure to the raw metal. This technology involves no cutting work to forge a high-precision gear with micron accuracy in a single process, and this is unlike any other in the world. Such quality deserves to be called “transformed metal.
In reply to Post #114
The only way a reel shaft would bend on a cast is if the big fat angler using it slipped and fell on it. It's a load of old cobblers dreamt up by forum plonkers and their ‘mates'
The only way a reel shaft would bend on a cast is if the big fat angler using it slipped and fell on it. It's a load of old cobblers dreamt up by forum plonkers and their ‘mates'
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