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Bottom Baits (27 posts / 3,087 views)
mrnice_66
Posts: 8
Post #1 18 Jul 2021 16:18
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I know that you can fish pop ups and wafters over some freebies but can you also just put a Bollie on a hair rig the same type that you use as freebies ??

Also if your using wafters and popup what should I be putting in my PVA bag as freebies does it matter which kind of bollies I use ?
Thanks I am still learning
NeilH2320
Posts: 147
Post #2 18 Jul 2021 16:29
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In reply to Post #1
Yeah, you can use a bottom bait straight out of the bag, that's no problem.

You could select few the day before you go fishing, put them in small mesh bag an air dry them a bit to toughen the skin up a bit. Also, use extender stops, they pull inside the bait when used on a hair. Makes it a bit harder for the tufties to pull the bait off the hair.

This time of year, just match your hookbait with your freebies. Match the hatch, it's called now. Yahoo!
frothey frothey
Posts: 3,580
Post #3 18 Jul 2021 20:08
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In reply to Post #1
Yeah, people did it for about 50 years until they realised that they could sell people little tubs of “alternative” hookbaits
snapper1 snapper1
Posts: 3,101
Post #4 18 Jul 2021 20:12
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In reply to Post #3
NickGordon NickGordon
Posts: 3,121
Post #5 18 Jul 2021 20:42
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In reply to Post #1
Don't tell anyone, but on clear spots I still do.
It is only over weed I use a pop-up.

I've caught loads of fish on bottom baits straight out of the bag.
NeilH2320
Posts: 147
Post #6 18 Jul 2021 20:55
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In reply to Post #3
😂👏👏
Nobbie
Posts: 261
Post #7 18 Jul 2021 21:27
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In reply to Post #3
So very true, i've actually been known to use double bottom baits straight from the bag!!
Can you imgine fishing with 2x 18mm bottom baits on the same hair, i have obviously been getting it very wrong for the last 30+ years
phil090781
Posts: 2,335
Post #8 18 Jul 2021 23:03
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In reply to Post #7
I had a couple on double bottom baits last week 😜
keeperboy
Posts: 2,561
Post #9 19 Jul 2021 07:10
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In reply to Post #8
Bottom baits are brilliant in the right situation. Just make sure that if you do take a bait from the bag, that it will survive a night on the hook. Most good food baits will be too soft after a few hours on the hair. That is why many use hardened bottom baits on the rig
frothey frothey
Posts: 3,580
Post #10 19 Jul 2021 08:14
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In reply to Post #9
I wish I could get a “corn shaped” pop up version of the bottom baits - like a bait topper. I often use a trimmed down bit of cork to stop soft baits coming off the hair which had been left in a bit of the liquids from the bait+GLM/Liver powder, but a lot of places are banning artificials (which is fair enough). The mixed colour 8mm Northern Specials are good for this, but a bit obvious smell wise.....
mrnice_66
Posts: 8
Post #11 19 Jul 2021 10:53
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In reply to Post #10
Cheers chaps something to try on my next trip, don't do night fishing so will be checking hook bait frequently
phil090781
Posts: 2,335
Post #12 19 Jul 2021 15:00
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In reply to Post #10
not exactly what you're looking for but tails up do some corn shaped pop ups - 'Cornz' I think

also - is cork classed as artificial? Might be a loophole there
frothey frothey
Posts: 3,580
Post #13 19 Jul 2021 18:53
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In reply to Post #12
Not the same as my bottom bait tho.

Plastic baits are just as natural as cork......oil comes out of the ground doesn't it 😂
Neil_no_Fish
Posts: 2,431
Post #14 19 Jul 2021 19:53
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In reply to Post #13
Saw a mould/press for a few quid on the boilie making page on Facebook. Looked perfect for what you want. Presses 100 pieces in 1 go....
Frenzy Frenzy
Posts: 11,403
Post #15 20 Jul 2021 09:31
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In reply to Post #1
we chuck in kgs of bottom baits straight from the bag that the carp eat happily, so why do pple think that a pot of "Special" hookbaits are better?

always baffled me that one
Tinhead Tinhead
Posts: 17,098
Post #16 20 Jul 2021 10:06
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In reply to Post #15
Baffles me as well.
I was brought up on your hookbait had to mimic your freebies, and being a 'if it ain't broke' type of person I will continue to do so wherever possible.
MARKerz
Posts: 1,954
Post #17 20 Jul 2021 10:26
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Been using bottom baits pretty much exclusively for the last 5 years or so, even if the bottom is dirty with lots of debris.
yonny yonny
Posts: 7,942
Post #18 20 Jul 2021 10:42
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In reply to Post #15
why do pple think that a pot of "Special" hookbaits are better?

A few reasons:
- Varying levels of buoyancy to suit different rigs/substrates
- Attempting to get the bites that bit quicker with the use of colour or supercharged attractors
- Longevity (many decent baits barely last a night on the deck)
- Better resistance to nuisance species

I've no doubt that there are plenty of anglers that use special hookbaits because an advert told them to, but that's not the only reason.
snapper1 snapper1
Posts: 3,101
Post #19 20 Jul 2021 13:44
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In reply to Post #18
no rules in crap fishing
keeperboy
Posts: 2,561
Post #20 20 Jul 2021 14:02
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In reply to Post #15
Because they won't survive In most waters with little fish or crays
Because sometimes we want them to pick something else up first
Because your rig won't sit very well over the crap on the lakebed
Many many reasons to use something else
But I do agree that a matching one has its place for sure
Frenzy Frenzy
Posts: 11,403
Post #21 20 Jul 2021 14:23
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In reply to Post #20
a) Harden or air dry your bottom bait
b) maybe, but not overly convinced if they are feeding over kgs of the same food item
c) agree
d) agree to a point
e) 100% agree
MrM00
Posts: 613
Post #22 20 Jul 2021 14:53
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In reply to Post #3
Oh I love that!

Still, you can't beat a special in certain situations.Single hook bait fishing. However over bait they will eat practically anything as has been proved time and time again!
frothey frothey
Posts: 3,580
Post #23 20 Jul 2021 19:09
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In reply to Post #20
Because your rig won't sit very well over the crap on the lakebed

Use a matching pop up. Doesn't have to be different.

Don't get me wrong, at the start of the year i promised myself I'd only have 1 flavour of “alternative”, but I've now got 6 😂
keeperboy
Posts: 2,561
Post #24 20 Jul 2021 19:50
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In reply to Post #23
Matching pop ups........outrageous 😂😂😂 I'm a big fan from may to late autumn. And I mean made from the basemix so it's as close as it needs to be!
frothey frothey
Posts: 3,580
Post #25 20 Jul 2021 19:57
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In reply to Post #24
It'll never catch on! I normally get extra paste and roll cork balls from that 🤷🏻‍♀️
Boris_Carp Boris_Carp
Posts: 2,135
Post #26 21 Jul 2021 15:25
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In reply to Post #10

raztwc raztwc
Posts: 396
Post #27 22 Jul 2021 16:40
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In reply to Post #8
i had a 7 and half lb er on 2 double 15s last week lol prob smallest in lake lol
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