Wondered what everyone's thoughts were?
I remember in the 90's taking a particular water in the NW apart with 20mm home made, and back then they were fairly crude, strawberry boilies. I remember on that particular day ticket water I didn't have time to set my washing bottle top before it hit the rod. The another water I visited had a thing for small tutti-fruity.
I also remember moulding small amounts of trout pellet paste on Capesthorne Hall stock pond and not being able to sit down. Have you noticed over time how certain baits become less effective?
I wonder whether its worthwhile now trying again some of the bygone baits of old?
I remember in the 90's taking a particular water in the NW apart with 20mm home made, and back then they were fairly crude, strawberry boilies. I remember on that particular day ticket water I didn't have time to set my washing bottle top before it hit the rod. The another water I visited had a thing for small tutti-fruity.
I also remember moulding small amounts of trout pellet paste on Capesthorne Hall stock pond and not being able to sit down. Have you noticed over time how certain baits become less effective?
I wonder whether its worthwhile now trying again some of the bygone baits of old?
In reply to Post #1
Not sure they blow as such, more the fish can get edgy, stressed around them but a change in colour, flavour, texture, size etc can see action pick back up as well as areas being baited, also if enough time is left without their use they can be very effective again.
Trout pellets are a wonderful bait in various forms.
Not sure they blow as such, more the fish can get edgy, stressed around them but a change in colour, flavour, texture, size etc can see action pick back up as well as areas being baited, also if enough time is left without their use they can be very effective again.
Trout pellets are a wonderful bait in various forms.
In reply to Post #1
Good baits don't usually blow,
Good baits don't usually blow,
In reply to Post #1
I Think your right , a bait is a bait , if it worked then it'll work now
But remember carp are under far far too much pressure these days
and a good bait isn't so readily taken
Do think I've ever taken a water apart, what's the ingredients😂
I Think your right , a bait is a bait , if it worked then it'll work now
But remember carp are under far far too much pressure these days
and a good bait isn't so readily taken
Do think I've ever taken a water apart, what's the ingredients😂
In reply to Post #1
My understanding is that the old semo/soya baits with a bit of flavour X or flavour Y used to blow because the fish started to realise that whilst the flavour/attractants made them want to eat them, they did not have significant long term nutritional value
Better baits with a profile of ingredients that benefit the fish nutritionally are far less likely to blow, the fish figure out that it's good for them.
My understanding is that the old semo/soya baits with a bit of flavour X or flavour Y used to blow because the fish started to realise that whilst the flavour/attractants made them want to eat them, they did not have significant long term nutritional value
Better baits with a profile of ingredients that benefit the fish nutritionally are far less likely to blow, the fish figure out that it's good for them.
In reply to Post #5
A possibility that I've looked at is that in some waters a vegetable protein may not be readily available
So a soya, semo type bait may be more viable
Apparently some baits contain vegetable yeasts 👍🏻
It's all only theories anyway
A possibility that I've looked at is that in some waters a vegetable protein may not be readily available
So a soya, semo type bait may be more viable
Apparently some baits contain vegetable yeasts 👍🏻
It's all only theories anyway
In reply to Post #1
Can you remember what the flavour levels were that you were using in those baits back in the day?
Strong flavoured baits can work well initially and you can get a quick bite when first used, but the Carp can soon become wary of them.
Where as more moderate or low level of flavour particularly when matched with a nutritious and tasty base mix can remain effective for a longer term.
When i make Boilies for the specific purpose of single high attract use i go quite strong on the flavour.
But for Boilies that will be used as "feed" i am much more inclined to go for the lower level of flavour and i always make a point of chewing on one or two of the baits to get an idea of how they taste.
Can you remember what the flavour levels were that you were using in those baits back in the day?
Strong flavoured baits can work well initially and you can get a quick bite when first used, but the Carp can soon become wary of them.
Where as more moderate or low level of flavour particularly when matched with a nutritious and tasty base mix can remain effective for a longer term.
When i make Boilies for the specific purpose of single high attract use i go quite strong on the flavour.
But for Boilies that will be used as "feed" i am much more inclined to go for the lower level of flavour and i always make a point of chewing on one or two of the baits to get an idea of how they taste.
Taking it apart
Rinsed it
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Rinsed it
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In reply to Post #1
good baits dont blow.
good baits dont blow.
In reply to Post #1
A really good bait gets better when it's recognized by the fish and does not blow. How many years has B5 been around. I'd take that bait anywhere and be confident of catching.
A really good bait gets better when it's recognized by the fish and does not blow. How many years has B5 been around. I'd take that bait anywhere and be confident of catching.
In reply to Post #10
Good baits don't blow.
Good baits don't blow.
In reply to Post #7
No chance of remembering, I can't even remember the brand I used. The only thing I remember back then is my mother going apoplectic at all the smells left in the kitchen - monster crab in particular gaining me a temporary expulsion from using the kitchen for a few weeks. Flavours and colours were always on the heavy side when I was a kid and it was squirted in until it looked and smelled good to me.
I wasn't being flippant with the 'taking a water apart' comment, it was just a really happy memory from my younger years and very seldom repeated since.
No chance of remembering, I can't even remember the brand I used. The only thing I remember back then is my mother going apoplectic at all the smells left in the kitchen - monster crab in particular gaining me a temporary expulsion from using the kitchen for a few weeks. Flavours and colours were always on the heavy side when I was a kid and it was squirted in until it looked and smelled good to me.
I wasn't being flippant with the 'taking a water apart' comment, it was just a really happy memory from my younger years and very seldom repeated since.
In reply to Post #13
Peanuts blew? Is that why fish were losing weight and getting I'll because they couldn't stop eating them? They were banned for a reason.
Peanuts blew? Is that why fish were losing weight and getting I'll because they couldn't stop eating them? They were banned for a reason.
In reply to Post #13
But that's the crux of the problem isn't it, folks are not careful with bait application and places do get battered with a certain bait. The Cell for instance a few years ago. I recently noticed on Ebay some old Rod Hutchinson flavours going for crazy money.
Everyone turns up these days with the going bait but I bet some of those older favourites that are no longer used would give you a red letter day on the right water.
But that's the crux of the problem isn't it, folks are not careful with bait application and places do get battered with a certain bait. The Cell for instance a few years ago. I recently noticed on Ebay some old Rod Hutchinson flavours going for crazy money.
Everyone turns up these days with the going bait but I bet some of those older favourites that are no longer used would give you a red letter day on the right water.
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In reply to Post #1
My understanding is that the old semo/soya baits with a bit of flavour X or flavour Y used to blow because the fish started to realise that whilst the flavour/attractants made them want to eat them, they did not have significant long term nutritional value
Better baits with a profile of ingredients that benefit the fish nutritionally are far less likely to blow, the fish figure out that it's good for them.
Good answer, although to add to that I do think that if you are not prebaiting with a good food profile bait, but fishing with it, the fish may start to refuse to take it.
If you start prebaiting (again), the fish will often start taking it again. However sometimes they will refuse to pick it up again.
In reply to Post #1
My understanding is that the old semo/soya baits with a bit of flavour X or flavour Y used to blow because the fish started to realise that whilst the flavour/attractants made them want to eat them, they did not have significant long term nutritional value
Better baits with a profile of ingredients that benefit the fish nutritionally are far less likely to blow, the fish figure out that it's good for them.
Good answer, although to add to that I do think that if you are not prebaiting with a good food profile bait, but fishing with it, the fish may start to refuse to take it.
If you start prebaiting (again), the fish will often start taking it again. However sometimes they will refuse to pick it up again.
In reply to Post #16
If that's your experience fair enough. Where I fish they were banned under the pretext of fish welfare.( right or wrongly) The bait had not blown at that time.
If that's your experience fair enough. Where I fish they were banned under the pretext of fish welfare.( right or wrongly) The bait had not blown at that time.
No baits don't "blow", absolute nonsense anyone saying they do.
On one of my waters they get fed pellets by the bailiff. They are showing no signs of not eating them, despite a couple of years of continuous introduction. In fact I'd go as far as to say that they are so switched on to them that at times it's difficult to get a bite on anything else.
I reasoned that this might be because they can eat so much of them without encountering a hook very often. But if you think about it that's no different to any other bait. If guys were introducing kilos and kilos of peanuts or a particular boilie then 99% of the time they wouldn't come across a hook either.
I think what happens is that a particular bait gets dominant. Then someone uses something different and catches. So others start trying it and they catch. So then a myth grows up that all the bites are coming on the new fad. So the old one must have blown.
I personally think it's nonsense.
I reasoned that this might be because they can eat so much of them without encountering a hook very often. But if you think about it that's no different to any other bait. If guys were introducing kilos and kilos of peanuts or a particular boilie then 99% of the time they wouldn't come across a hook either.
I think what happens is that a particular bait gets dominant. Then someone uses something different and catches. So others start trying it and they catch. So then a myth grows up that all the bites are coming on the new fad. So the old one must have blown.
I personally think it's nonsense.
In reply to Post #19
Not often I find myself disagreeing with you Ian, but I think that poor baits will blow, quality baits just keep going.
Not often I find myself disagreeing with you Ian, but I think that poor baits will blow, quality baits just keep going.
In reply to Post #21
Poor do, been there and made big mistakes
Poor do, been there and made big mistakes
In reply to Post #21
To be honest Andy you may well be right, I've not used poor baits for a couple of decades to find out
To be honest Andy you may well be right, I've not used poor baits for a couple of decades to find out
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