Is it me or are angling clubs becoming annoying? Recently I learned a local club have put a "night syndicate" on their main carp lake, meaning unless you are lucky enough to get one, you are pretty much stuffed, this is also in line with the other carp lake on the ticket, which is on a different night waiting list. Also it is somehow more than double the amount of a price of a standard day season ticket. Obviously the excuse was because of covid and the lakes being rammed, but we seem to be getting over the hill of it for now, and things will go back to normality.
But it's not only them you see it more and more nowadays, even things like having to pay extra for 3 rods on certain clubs, must be getting more and more grumpy in my old age 😂
But it's not only them you see it more and more nowadays, even things like having to pay extra for 3 rods on certain clubs, must be getting more and more grumpy in my old age 😂
In reply to Post #1
No make you right.. Carp fishing is gradually being priced out the reach of the average working man. The working class sport of coarse angling like going to the match on Saturday is becoming a thing of the past. I used to own a few club tickets. I now only own one.
No make you right.. Carp fishing is gradually being priced out the reach of the average working man. The working class sport of coarse angling like going to the match on Saturday is becoming a thing of the past. I used to own a few club tickets. I now only own one.
In reply to Post #1
It's simple market forces and supply / demand I guess.
Any club with a waiting list knows they are in a position of strength and can increase prices, change rules, add new 'syndicates' as you describe because there will always be someone willing to fill a gap if you decide to say 'no thanks'
There'll be talk of it being part of a selection process to keep out 'undesirables' etc. (only serious anglers will pay it and it'll discourage certain types) but it actually just becomes about who can afford it - which by no means relates to better angling etiquette or technique.
At the end of the day (when the 'night syndicate' begins
) it's a business and the owners are making hay while the sun shines - airlines do it every year with school holiday price hikes.
Don't take it personally and get out on the rivers / canals where it happens less
It's simple market forces and supply / demand I guess.
Any club with a waiting list knows they are in a position of strength and can increase prices, change rules, add new 'syndicates' as you describe because there will always be someone willing to fill a gap if you decide to say 'no thanks'
There'll be talk of it being part of a selection process to keep out 'undesirables' etc. (only serious anglers will pay it and it'll discourage certain types) but it actually just becomes about who can afford it - which by no means relates to better angling etiquette or technique.
At the end of the day (when the 'night syndicate' begins
) it's a business and the owners are making hay while the sun shines - airlines do it every year with school holiday price hikes. Don't take it personally and get out on the rivers / canals where it happens less
In reply to Post #1
Supply & Demand as simple as that 🤷♂️
Supply & Demand as simple as that 🤷♂️
My club has a limit on the number of ordinary members however if you have been a member for more than 5 years and become an O.A.P then you are an O.A.P member and no longer included in the 2500. As the average age is increasing this is effectively increasing the membership also retired people have more time to fish and can spend more time on the banks. The banks are busier than ever. Can't wait until I'm an O.A.P.
In reply to Post #4
I wouldn't mind so much but I thought the idea of club waters was to open it up for everyone, the club in question only has 2 out and out carp waters which both now night syndicated, they have another pleasure venue which is also days only 🤦♂️😂
I wouldn't mind so much but I thought the idea of club waters was to open it up for everyone, the club in question only has 2 out and out carp waters which both now night syndicated, they have another pleasure venue which is also days only 🤦♂️😂
In reply to Post #6
My local club has done exactly the same doubled the price & more than halved the membership !!
My local club has done exactly the same doubled the price & more than halved the membership !!
It's far more expensive to run and maintain a club water now, people demand and want more from their fishing.....
Insurance, otter fences, contractors for some works, gates, keys, new stock fish, rent, admin stuff....its endless.
Days of a peppercorn rent, and a pond largely left to nature have gone.
Everything is £££££
Insurance, otter fences, contractors for some works, gates, keys, new stock fish, rent, admin stuff....its endless.
Days of a peppercorn rent, and a pond largely left to nature have gone.
Everything is £££££
In reply to Post #8
I am a member of 2 clubs. Both are run fairly well and reasonably priced.
1 has night tickets for either all waters, or you can get it for certain groups of waters. They are open for everyone, but you get a months early access to buy them after you have been a member for a year.
The other is night tickets on all waters, and there are limited numbers available, but again, open to everyone, and early access after a years membership.
My main issue with clubs ive joined, is certain bailiffs let the power go to their heads and act like complete tossers
I am a member of 2 clubs. Both are run fairly well and reasonably priced.
1 has night tickets for either all waters, or you can get it for certain groups of waters. They are open for everyone, but you get a months early access to buy them after you have been a member for a year.
The other is night tickets on all waters, and there are limited numbers available, but again, open to everyone, and early access after a years membership.
My main issue with clubs ive joined, is certain bailiffs let the power go to their heads and act like complete tossers
In reply to Post #9
Sounds like the head bailiff (now ex bailiff from what I gather) of a local club I joined for a year, an absolute ********, in every aspect. Shame, because the other bailiffs I met were great guys.
Sounds like the head bailiff (now ex bailiff from what I gather) of a local club I joined for a year, an absolute ********, in every aspect. Shame, because the other bailiffs I met were great guys.
In reply to Post #8
I totally understand that, but then why limit the amount of night tickets if it was a money issue?? The fact that in the summer its possible to fish for maybe 17 hours, but if you want to carry on for the other 7 you are to be charged over double the amount of people fishing days only is an absolute pi55 take in my opinion.
I totally understand that, but then why limit the amount of night tickets if it was a money issue?? The fact that in the summer its possible to fish for maybe 17 hours, but if you want to carry on for the other 7 you are to be charged over double the amount of people fishing days only is an absolute pi55 take in my opinion.
In reply to Post #11
I can't answer for your club mate, but if they sold unlimited night tickets, and members couldn't get a swim, I guarantee there would be uproar.
Email the club and ask them to explain.
I can't answer for your club mate, but if they sold unlimited night tickets, and members couldn't get a swim, I guarantee there would be uproar.
Email the club and ask them to explain.
In reply to Post #12
I suppose that's the issue, if it was because of lack of swims then surely the best thing to do is limit the overall ticket numbers, because theres nothing to say all those that only have day tickets dont turn up en masse
I suppose that's the issue, if it was because of lack of swims then surely the best thing to do is limit the overall ticket numbers, because theres nothing to say all those that only have day tickets dont turn up en masse
In reply to Post #1
To be honest, it may work in your favour. If the lake is rammed out with anglers in bivvies, the fella walking around them with one rod may just end up doing just as good if not better. Pressured ponds favour up close business. Make your own spots away from the hoardes fishing the "dubble" and the "I-lund" swims and you're laughing. Just got to put in the leg work sometimes. Fish the same as everyone and often you'll get the same results as everyone.
To be honest, it may work in your favour. If the lake is rammed out with anglers in bivvies, the fella walking around them with one rod may just end up doing just as good if not better. Pressured ponds favour up close business. Make your own spots away from the hoardes fishing the "dubble" and the "I-lund" swims and you're laughing. Just got to put in the leg work sometimes. Fish the same as everyone and often you'll get the same results as everyone.
In reply to Post #5
Sounds like DDAPS.
Sounds like DDAPS.
Just about every sizeable club in Essex has night tickets for at least some of its waters. I know of one that won't even tell the members how many night tickets are available for each water.
In reply to Post #1
At least yours have some sensible rules just joined one with a max lead size of 1oz baiting by hand only and max 1kg of bait per session
At least yours have some sensible rules just joined one with a max lead size of 1oz baiting by hand only and max 1kg of bait per session
In reply to Post #14
Totally agree, watch the lake , watch where thay always cast and do your own thing, simple.
Totally agree, watch the lake , watch where thay always cast and do your own thing, simple.
In reply to Post #18
I haven't got an issue with doing stuff like that, and in a perfect world that's what I'd do, but, there will also be plenty of others who haven't got night tickets who will be in the same boat doing exactly the same as me
I haven't got an issue with doing stuff like that, and in a perfect world that's what I'd do, but, there will also be plenty of others who haven't got night tickets who will be in the same boat doing exactly the same as me
In reply to Post #15
Yep
Yep
In reply to Post #15
Definitly ddaps
Definitly ddaps
In reply to Post #1
this thread reminds me of a conversation i had with a mate, he made an observation that there are some people in life who just want an outlet for their tittle tattle so they can feel important, he remarked that children's football teams and fishing clubs were the worst places to find these people. Instead of having a common set of rules for all they introduce new ones to stop things they don't agree with, stupid bait limits, stupid lead limits, stupid night permits, you name it, the tittle tattle mob in charge of your club will think of it.
i have to say my mate was absolutely spot on
this thread reminds me of a conversation i had with a mate, he made an observation that there are some people in life who just want an outlet for their tittle tattle so they can feel important, he remarked that children's football teams and fishing clubs were the worst places to find these people. Instead of having a common set of rules for all they introduce new ones to stop things they don't agree with, stupid bait limits, stupid lead limits, stupid night permits, you name it, the tittle tattle mob in charge of your club will think of it.
i have to say my mate was absolutely spot on
In reply to Post #1
This is why I fish local canals free and miles and miles of peace & quiet no knobheads to ruin your fishing or waiting for you to move out of a swim so they can jump in,over inflated prices to fish or even waiting lists that you may never get in to,plus you never know what's in a long stretch of a canal it's not all about catching big fish or loads of fish
This is why I fish local canals free and miles and miles of peace & quiet no knobheads to ruin your fishing or waiting for you to move out of a swim so they can jump in,over inflated prices to fish or even waiting lists that you may never get in to,plus you never know what's in a long stretch of a canal it's not all about catching big fish or loads of fish
Clubs were the life blood of angling for many years and I have been a member of a couple over the years. They provide the working man with decent fishing opportunities for a decent price, long live clubs
Taking a step forward to this ****ty era where every man and his dog s trying to make a killing, they have to look after, and protect their waters before some other greedy **** try's to buy it and stock it with a 1000 **** carp for £24 for 24 hours
I am all for a syndicate type ticket or another premium on top of the standard price for carp waters and nights. Carp anglers take up more water (3 x rods) and by having a syndicate type system they can control the mongs. A club I used to be a member of got destroyed over a few years by mongs, another one got threatened several times to have the water taken off them due to “anglers” behaviours, again, the mongs, ****ting everywhere and leaving rubbish, ****s
Clubs need to up their games and change with the times to survive. Match fishing is not so popular nowadays, it's carp and camping, oh, and mongs who have no respect for **** all sadly
Taking a step forward to this ****ty era where every man and his dog s trying to make a killing, they have to look after, and protect their waters before some other greedy **** try's to buy it and stock it with a 1000 **** carp for £24 for 24 hours
I am all for a syndicate type ticket or another premium on top of the standard price for carp waters and nights. Carp anglers take up more water (3 x rods) and by having a syndicate type system they can control the mongs. A club I used to be a member of got destroyed over a few years by mongs, another one got threatened several times to have the water taken off them due to “anglers” behaviours, again, the mongs, ****ting everywhere and leaving rubbish, ****s
Clubs need to up their games and change with the times to survive. Match fishing is not so popular nowadays, it's carp and camping, oh, and mongs who have no respect for **** all sadly
In reply to Post #21
Didn't DDAPS recently bring in a booze ban? It's been noticed at Ruxley...
Didn't DDAPS recently bring in a booze ban? It's been noticed at Ruxley...
In reply to Post #25
Oh yes, there have been some strange decisions last couple years yhats for sure
Oh yes, there have been some strange decisions last couple years yhats for sure
In reply to Post #25
Yes I believe the reason was a drunken argument that got out of hand on one of the lakes.
Yes I believe the reason was a drunken argument that got out of hand on one of the lakes.
In reply to Post #25
A few clubs local to me, now have complete alcohol bans, and your banned if caught.
Abusive pissed members, and beercans in the bushes, usual idiots.
A few clubs local to me, now have complete alcohol bans, and your banned if caught.
Abusive pissed members, and beercans in the bushes, usual idiots.
In reply to Post #28
For me this is ridiculous. Ban the idiots and piss heads for sure, but what about the sensible guys that enjoy a cold beer as the sun goes down?
If you just ban the beer the idiots are still there. They'll find something else to abuse or screw up eventually.
For me this is ridiculous. Ban the idiots and piss heads for sure, but what about the sensible guys that enjoy a cold beer as the sun goes down?
If you just ban the beer the idiots are still there. They'll find something else to abuse or screw up eventually.
In reply to Post #27
It is not a new thing. Alcohol taken to excess at a fishing venue.
multiple drunken incidents over the years at since it was brought to light, not without reason..
If they value their club ticket they will stop and change their habits, or find another ticket.
Like any other club really that protects, and values their assets.
I'm with Yonny on the odd beer for the sensible angler at dusk, but that didn't work with the idiots with the 1 or 2 slabs!
It is not a new thing. Alcohol taken to excess at a fishing venue.
multiple drunken incidents over the years at since it was brought to light, not without reason..
If they value their club ticket they will stop and change their habits, or find another ticket.
Like any other club really that protects, and values their assets.
I'm with Yonny on the odd beer for the sensible angler at dusk, but that didn't work with the idiots with the 1 or 2 slabs!
In reply to Post #29
I think they put limits on drinks first....was never going to work , and it didn't, and there was a real problem with litter (beercans).
Club got sick of it.
I think they put limits on drinks first....was never going to work , and it didn't, and there was a real problem with litter (beercans).
Club got sick of it.
In reply to Post #31
1 slab of stella, 1kg of boiled bait and 25kg of **** particle of choice per 24 hours
1 slab of stella, 1kg of boiled bait and 25kg of **** particle of choice per 24 hours
In reply to Post #25
DDAPS did indeed bring in a booze ban and from what I'm told most of it was because of the behaviour of the baillifs! Hasn't stopped people trying to have a sneaky beer, getting caught, then getting banned for life though.
DDAPS did indeed bring in a booze ban and from what I'm told most of it was because of the behaviour of the baillifs! Hasn't stopped people trying to have a sneaky beer, getting caught, then getting banned for life though.
In reply to Post #29
I think in DDAPS case most of the idiots moved away.
I think in DDAPS case most of the idiots moved away.
In reply to Post #29
Dave Lane, Rod Hutchinson and many other well known anglers wouldn't have got much fishing. Their books are full of tales of falling down/passing out drunk while fishing on a daily/weekly basis. I Like waters with no booze. What's harmless fun to a bunch of noisy pissed up tossers is a bloody nuisance to everyone else. How much fishing has been lost?)
Dave Lane, Rod Hutchinson and many other well known anglers wouldn't have got much fishing. Their books are full of tales of falling down/passing out drunk while fishing on a daily/weekly basis. I Like waters with no booze. What's harmless fun to a bunch of noisy pissed up tossers is a bloody nuisance to everyone else. How much fishing has been lost?)
In reply to Post #34
Yep, as I said it was noticed at Ruxley and Laddingford. Bailiffs having to go round at silly oclock to tell people to reign in it.
Yep, as I said it was noticed at Ruxley and Laddingford. Bailiffs having to go round at silly oclock to tell people to reign in it.
In reply to Post #35
I'm out on the bank at minute and got ‘flick of a tail' & fox pool with me and they are full of drinking and curry nights or BBQ's as they fished,not into it myself li like the peace & quiet myself and no hassle with anyone that's why I'm on a massive stretch of canal right this minute(14 miles plus between locks).
I'm out on the bank at minute and got ‘flick of a tail' & fox pool with me and they are full of drinking and curry nights or BBQ's as they fished,not into it myself li like the peace & quiet myself and no hassle with anyone that's why I'm on a massive stretch of canal right this minute(14 miles plus between locks).
In reply to Post #37
Carp fishing used to be about enjoying outdoors, having a laugh with mates, few drinks and some banter all this while still catching a few... or not... Now it is about insta photos, catching 37 units in one afternoon, 42 wraps and 25% cheaper boilies to sponsored anglers... Cant imagine not having a nice cold beer while sun sets on a hot summer evening or a nice irish coffe on a cold misty morning...
Carp fishing used to be about enjoying outdoors, having a laugh with mates, few drinks and some banter all this while still catching a few... or not... Now it is about insta photos, catching 37 units in one afternoon, 42 wraps and 25% cheaper boilies to sponsored anglers... Cant imagine not having a nice cold beer while sun sets on a hot summer evening or a nice irish coffe on a cold misty morning...
In reply to Post #38
I could've written that myself. Spot on
I could've written that myself. Spot on
In reply to Post #39
Second
Second
Back in the 90's I was fishing a nice mature gravel pit on an Essex club ticket. Initially to be eligible for nights you had to have a winter ticket..Fine..no probs. Did that and had a nice calm season of days and nights.Then the club wanted more income.. Advertised for more members and created a 'night syndi'. Oh dear... went downhill rapidly IMO ..noise at nights,lights ,too much alcohol and herb during the hours of darkness, unattended rods...the list goes on.needless to say i got out and went elsewhere. This is definately not a new problem, but Im guessing clubs have been trying to delay the inevitable .
My current club allows days/nights on the ticket at present but are not afraid to moan about lack of interest in fund raisers and subsequent lack of income.For the last couple of years we have been threatened with an increase in book price if this trend of disinterest continues...Again im guessing it wont be long before they implement a two tier ticket..
My current club allows days/nights on the ticket at present but are not afraid to moan about lack of interest in fund raisers and subsequent lack of income.For the last couple of years we have been threatened with an increase in book price if this trend of disinterest continues...Again im guessing it wont be long before they implement a two tier ticket..
In reply to Post #1
I know what club you are talking about and it was the correct decision to make.
The night tickets were on sale to everyone today so hopefully you managed to get one before they sold out
I know what club you are talking about and it was the correct decision to make.
The night tickets were on sale to everyone today so hopefully you managed to get one before they sold out
In reply to Post #42
Working 9-5 sort of scuppered that plan 😩 what will happen, if I decide to fish, the night anglers will start complaining that the day anglers are there too late and they dont have time to set up
Working 9-5 sort of scuppered that plan 😩 what will happen, if I decide to fish, the night anglers will start complaining that the day anglers are there too late and they dont have time to set up
In reply to Post #43
Your a hard man to please mate, I don't think there's a club out there to suit you, but I hope you find somewhere.
Your a hard man to please mate, I don't think there's a club out there to suit you, but I hope you find somewhere.
In reply to Post #44
I'm a very simple man to please, just wanted a local ticket where I could fish overnight, cant get much simpler than that 😂
I'm a very simple man to please, just wanted a local ticket where I could fish overnight, cant get much simpler than that 😂
In reply to Post #43
Not sure what to say, there were night tickets available to anyone for nearly 2 days.
A limit was needed, the place has been beyond busy. The club have done it for the members benefit, definitely not to cash in
Not sure what to say, there were night tickets available to anyone for nearly 2 days.
A limit was needed, the place has been beyond busy. The club have done it for the members benefit, definitely not to cash in
In reply to Post #46
I know it's not to cash in, otherwise there wouldn't be a limited amount of tickets. The point I'm making is, if you're a carp angler there is no way of being able to fish overnight on any of the waters, unless lucky enough to secure a ticket, which is disappointing, as all it does, is force the average angler to join clubs further afield, where there is the availability to night fish.
I know it's not to cash in, otherwise there wouldn't be a limited amount of tickets. The point I'm making is, if you're a carp angler there is no way of being able to fish overnight on any of the waters, unless lucky enough to secure a ticket, which is disappointing, as all it does, is force the average angler to join clubs further afield, where there is the availability to night fish.
In reply to Post #45
You had your chance of a night ticket, and never took it up, if you REALLY wanted one, you would of found a way, despite working 9-5, I reckon you just like a good moan 🤣
You had your chance of a night ticket, and never took it up, if you REALLY wanted one, you would of found a way, despite working 9-5, I reckon you just like a good moan 🤣
In reply to Post #47
I'm sorry buddy but I have to agree with the others. If you had the chance of a night ticket and chose not to take it I don't think it's fair to have a gripe with the club itself. It sounds to me like they're trying to do the right thing for the good of the anglers.
Everyone (or nearly everyone) has work commitments to deal with. Where there's a will there's a way, you should have just got a ticket.
Edit: I fish a days only club water myself and if the chance of a night ticket came up I'd literally book a days holiday or even pull a sicky (which I've not done in 15 years) if it meant getting a ticket.
I'm sorry buddy but I have to agree with the others. If you had the chance of a night ticket and chose not to take it I don't think it's fair to have a gripe with the club itself. It sounds to me like they're trying to do the right thing for the good of the anglers.
Everyone (or nearly everyone) has work commitments to deal with. Where there's a will there's a way, you should have just got a ticket.
Edit: I fish a days only club water myself and if the chance of a night ticket came up I'd literally book a days holiday or even pull a sicky (which I've not done in 15 years) if it meant getting a ticket.
In reply to Post #49
Unfortunately not everyone has the ability to book time off work at the drop of the hat, anyhow who books time off work on the off chance that there may, or may not be any books left
But yes my gripe remains, because next season it will operate a waiting list, so if you fancied doing a few nights a year local, you will still be in the same boat.
Maybe I'm too old school, and the club books we used to know of open to all, is a thing of the past.......
Unfortunately not everyone has the ability to book time off work at the drop of the hat, anyhow who books time off work on the off chance that there may, or may not be any books left
But yes my gripe remains, because next season it will operate a waiting list, so if you fancied doing a few nights a year local, you will still be in the same boat.
Maybe I'm too old school, and the club books we used to know of open to all, is a thing of the past.......
In reply to Post #50
please tell me you are on the waiting list?
One particular club ticket i have, actually has an additional 'night pass' for night fishing however one other water requires another supplement night ticket! and also supplement for 3rd rod. Its still not that much when all added together tbh
I think with the prices being charged for syndicate waters, they have realised they can charge a bit more, theses clubs though have kept prices low but imposed these additional add ons.
Cant blame them nothing stays the same price eh geez
please tell me you are on the waiting list?
One particular club ticket i have, actually has an additional 'night pass' for night fishing however one other water requires another supplement night ticket! and also supplement for 3rd rod. Its still not that much when all added together tbh
I think with the prices being charged for syndicate waters, they have realised they can charge a bit more, theses clubs though have kept prices low but imposed these additional add ons.
Cant blame them nothing stays the same price eh geez
In reply to Post #51
Cant blame them nothing stays the same price eh geez
Agree, providing them are putting the profits back into the club, developing the waters, and stocking fish etc. it can only be good for the angler and good for the club, how it should be
Flip side of the coin is, I know one club and what they are trying to charge for the quality of the stock that's in it I feel is unfair, grossly unfair!!!
The price has got to be based on the quality of the fishing, just adding carp tax because they can is out of order
Cant blame them nothing stays the same price eh geez
Agree, providing them are putting the profits back into the club, developing the waters, and stocking fish etc. it can only be good for the angler and good for the club, how it should be
Flip side of the coin is, I know one club and what they are trying to charge for the quality of the stock that's in it I feel is unfair, grossly unfair!!!
The price has got to be based on the quality of the fishing, just adding carp tax because they can is out of order
In reply to Post #51
Sounds like Ringwood, with Rockford being the separate add-on.
Sounds like Ringwood, with Rockford being the separate add-on.
You not notice its costs more and more each week for your shopping? Its same with everything so its only fair you have to pay slightly more. Maybe you could ask for more for doing **** all at work?
In reply to Post #50
Just got some info about one of my local clubs, £120 a year initial ticket have to do a year then can get a night ticket is an extra £100
Just got some info about one of my local clubs, £120 a year initial ticket have to do a year then can get a night ticket is an extra £100
In reply to Post #55
I don't actually think that's to bad for a year ticket, my club is the same price and my 2 syndicates I'm a part of are a lot more, so I'd be happy with only £250
I don't actually think that's to bad for a year ticket, my club is the same price and my 2 syndicates I'm a part of are a lot more, so I'd be happy with only £250
In reply to Post #54
One of the clubs I'm with have a lovely little 5 acre lake that was rarely fished only me and a few others and had some lovely carp in it not big but very pretty. Then a couple if young lads joined and the secret was out every fish they caught went on facebook.There was a 50 member limit but there was nowhere near that many members. This year it has increased to 140 members and is full and now and supposedly has a waiting list but apparently you still join if you go to the clubhouse with cash. The lake only has 12 swims and 3 of them are not worth fishing and they are all ready having problems down there with rubbish, rule breaking and noise. My biggest gripe though is the amount of fish being lost in snags. I was down the for a 48hr session and the guy next to me caught 1 and lost 4 in a large snaggy overgrown bush with lots submerged tree branches. On the way out the next day I got talking to the bailiff he had been out in the boat 3 times the previous day trying to get fish out of snags. I have nothing against snag fishing if you sensible about and fishing locked up and on you rods but these new members are literally fishing inches from these snags and going to bed. He caught one guy fishing 3 rods tight to the snags on the other side of the lake and he was around there baiting up whilst his rods were still fishing. I think putting money ahead of the wellbeing of the fish and environment will come back to bite them in ghe arse.
One of the clubs I'm with have a lovely little 5 acre lake that was rarely fished only me and a few others and had some lovely carp in it not big but very pretty. Then a couple if young lads joined and the secret was out every fish they caught went on facebook.There was a 50 member limit but there was nowhere near that many members. This year it has increased to 140 members and is full and now and supposedly has a waiting list but apparently you still join if you go to the clubhouse with cash. The lake only has 12 swims and 3 of them are not worth fishing and they are all ready having problems down there with rubbish, rule breaking and noise. My biggest gripe though is the amount of fish being lost in snags. I was down the for a 48hr session and the guy next to me caught 1 and lost 4 in a large snaggy overgrown bush with lots submerged tree branches. On the way out the next day I got talking to the bailiff he had been out in the boat 3 times the previous day trying to get fish out of snags. I have nothing against snag fishing if you sensible about and fishing locked up and on you rods but these new members are literally fishing inches from these snags and going to bed. He caught one guy fishing 3 rods tight to the snags on the other side of the lake and he was around there baiting up whilst his rods were still fishing. I think putting money ahead of the wellbeing of the fish and environment will come back to bite them in ghe arse.
In reply to Post #56
It's not bad but for I think 3 lakes where nights are allowed each only having around 15 swims but the membership is over 150 people it becomes 220 for the hint of a chance of getting a swim on a weekend
It's not bad but for I think 3 lakes where nights are allowed each only having around 15 swims but the membership is over 150 people it becomes 220 for the hint of a chance of getting a swim on a weekend
In reply to Post #58
Yeah saying that it does sound a lot of members for such a little chance of being able to get on. Luckily mine doesn't have no where near that amount
Yeah saying that it does sound a lot of members for such a little chance of being able to get on. Luckily mine doesn't have no where near that amount
Had a walk round one of the club waters near me on the opening week. Had been closed for a few months. Is always busy.
What didn't surprise me, but I wish it did, the bailiffs were allowed to fish during the close season, can't say I agree with that, a close season should be a close season, but hey ho. Yet opening week of the season, one of the bailiffs is still fishing a session of at least a few days. Would have hoped a bit of decorum may have come in and the first few weeks be left to members
What didn't surprise me, but I wish it did, the bailiffs were allowed to fish during the close season, can't say I agree with that, a close season should be a close season, but hey ho. Yet opening week of the season, one of the bailiffs is still fishing a session of at least a few days. Would have hoped a bit of decorum may have come in and the first few weeks be left to members
In reply to Post #52
Agree, providing them are putting the profits back into the club, developing the waters, and stocking fish etc. it can only be good for the angler and good for the club, how it should be
Clubs could also help by increasing their transparency when it comes to their books and exactly what they are putting back into the club, they should be run more like a cooperative than a club but it seems many divulge their figures each year and most have now stopped new members which at least shows some concern for keeping the ratio correct.
Agree, providing them are putting the profits back into the club, developing the waters, and stocking fish etc. it can only be good for the angler and good for the club, how it should be
Clubs could also help by increasing their transparency when it comes to their books and exactly what they are putting back into the club, they should be run more like a cooperative than a club but it seems many divulge their figures each year and most have now stopped new members which at least shows some concern for keeping the ratio correct.
In reply to Post #59
Exactly bud
Exactly bud
In reply to Post #56
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Down to the angler if he sees the value in the ticket for me. A lot of clubs are changing direction, historically match orientated and now looking towards specimen carp. Like I have already said, can only be a good thing for the anglers IF they get some return on their investment. They could price themselves out of it though but looking at the numbers, sadly I can't see it, mental!
Also,, let's not forget, carp anglers take up a lot more water than a match man so expect a lot of two rod rulings too
Similar to me
Down to the angler if he sees the value in the ticket for me. A lot of clubs are changing direction, historically match orientated and now looking towards specimen carp. Like I have already said, can only be a good thing for the anglers IF they get some return on their investment. They could price themselves out of it though but looking at the numbers, sadly I can't see it, mental!
Also,, let's not forget, carp anglers take up a lot more water than a match man so expect a lot of two rod rulings too
In reply to Post #60
I agree to an extent, but the balifs have to have some perks. Some of them are getting a free £100 season ticket for somerhing that probably takes up a lot of their time. And have ti deal with crap at all sorts of hours.
Ive actually never understood why anyone would want to. Be a balif.
I agree to an extent, but the balifs have to have some perks. Some of them are getting a free £100 season ticket for somerhing that probably takes up a lot of their time. And have ti deal with crap at all sorts of hours.
Ive actually never understood why anyone would want to. Be a balif.
In reply to Post #64
I agree with this my mates old man used to be a bailiff and he said it's the worst thing possible, he said it ruined his personal fishing and would never be one again
I agree with this my mates old man used to be a bailiff and he said it's the worst thing possible, he said it ruined his personal fishing and would never be one again
In reply to Post #63
It's just the opposite for a couple of clubs I'm still a member off - one's banned night fishing also banned 3 Rods. Just reading the paperwork from the other club – it does seem they have had enough with the same faction breaking the rules and causing problems too.
As one of the Chairmen said to me “Carp are just Clown magnets” oh dear, from what I've observed the past few years I really can't argue with that comment. I've suggested that they take vetting much more seriously, and even having any new members be vouched for by two long term members before they can join.
The irony is -
Club 1, I only join as it gives me the access to the river running out of it for the fluff chucking for the Wild Brownies.
Club 2, with it being a big reservoir with tree-less backings it's great for Fly fishing for the Pike.
It's just the opposite for a couple of clubs I'm still a member off - one's banned night fishing also banned 3 Rods. Just reading the paperwork from the other club – it does seem they have had enough with the same faction breaking the rules and causing problems too.
As one of the Chairmen said to me “Carp are just Clown magnets” oh dear, from what I've observed the past few years I really can't argue with that comment. I've suggested that they take vetting much more seriously, and even having any new members be vouched for by two long term members before they can join.
The irony is -
Club 1, I only join as it gives me the access to the river running out of it for the fluff chucking for the Wild Brownies.
Club 2, with it being a big reservoir with tree-less backings it's great for Fly fishing for the Pike.
In reply to Post #66
Real shame, must admit though you have to look at carp fishing and some of the people it attracts sadly. Some are passionate about carp fishing and everything that goes with it, some just use it as a social gathering to get stoned and have a drink. Club water I used to be a member off they absolutely destroyed it over a period of years. I joined it back in around 2000 and pulled off in 2008 and over that period it went from half a dozen specimen anglers to rammed out with piss heads, drugies, boy racers, campers and total **** wits. To be fair the management of the water was virtually none existent and it relied on people managing themselves. The biggest shame it could be made into a fantastic water
On reflection i can see why some clubs are taking a ticket / vetting approach and why not. Keep the fishing right for everybody and ban the mongs
Real shame, must admit though you have to look at carp fishing and some of the people it attracts sadly. Some are passionate about carp fishing and everything that goes with it, some just use it as a social gathering to get stoned and have a drink. Club water I used to be a member off they absolutely destroyed it over a period of years. I joined it back in around 2000 and pulled off in 2008 and over that period it went from half a dozen specimen anglers to rammed out with piss heads, drugies, boy racers, campers and total **** wits. To be fair the management of the water was virtually none existent and it relied on people managing themselves. The biggest shame it could be made into a fantastic water
On reflection i can see why some clubs are taking a ticket / vetting approach and why not. Keep the fishing right for everybody and ban the mongs
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