So I'm on a club water currently which is mixed match and carp anglers. Big head of skimmers and an unknown quantity/size of carp. Every year they dye the lake in the run up to winter, this is because the lake was gin clear before and was hammered by bird life.
I've fished it the past couple of days and noticed since the dye went in a couple of days ago the fish have really turned off, it's not a hard water by any stretch but I've blanked 3 days in a row as have others. Any reports of dyeing lakes turning the fish off or it having negatives effects in general?
I've fished it the past couple of days and noticed since the dye went in a couple of days ago the fish have really turned off, it's not a hard water by any stretch but I've blanked 3 days in a row as have others. Any reports of dyeing lakes turning the fish off or it having negatives effects in general?
In reply to Post #1
On my syndicate...we have a really bad weed issue....in previous years we have had to manually remove the weed in work parties to make some swims more fishable....we tried dye for their first time last year and it didn't really work...we tried it again this year and its kept the weed to acceptable levels...and TBH its fished its head off...i think this is the best year by far...only a few of the big guns have some out but the backup fish have been seeing the bank and ive even Managed to get a few under my belt....even had 2 in 24hrs which is quiet an achievement on the lake.....
On my syndicate...we have a really bad weed issue....in previous years we have had to manually remove the weed in work parties to make some swims more fishable....we tried dye for their first time last year and it didn't really work...we tried it again this year and its kept the weed to acceptable levels...and TBH its fished its head off...i think this is the best year by far...only a few of the big guns have some out but the backup fish have been seeing the bank and ive even Managed to get a few under my belt....even had 2 in 24hrs which is quiet an achievement on the lake.....
In reply to Post #1
It seems a strange time of year to put weed dye in , the experience I had with it was to start the application in it's largest doses in February so it was ready for spring growth, then smaller doses throughout the summer to keep it topped up then tailer it off in the autumn then start the process again.
It seems a strange time of year to put weed dye in , the experience I had with it was to start the application in it's largest doses in February so it was ready for spring growth, then smaller doses throughout the summer to keep it topped up then tailer it off in the autumn then start the process again.
In reply to Post #3
This isn't anything to do with weed, it's about predatory bird life eating all the fish. Killing off the weed is just a side effect on my lake, not a welcome one.
I think the reason they put it in so late is because the attendance at the lake drops off over winter hence the previous rise in bird life. Haven't seen a cormorant on here since I joined but heard other lakes in the area have issues. It hasn't stopped Mr heron having a go though.
This isn't anything to do with weed, it's about predatory bird life eating all the fish. Killing off the weed is just a side effect on my lake, not a welcome one.
I think the reason they put it in so late is because the attendance at the lake drops off over winter hence the previous rise in bird life. Haven't seen a cormorant on here since I joined but heard other lakes in the area have issues. It hasn't stopped Mr heron having a go though.
In reply to Post #2
Good to hear it's worked wonders for your syndicate. Wonder if it's spooked the carp on mine as the lake already has its pads cut back and barely any weed. So no where for the carp to hideout other than a no fish zone.
Good to hear it's worked wonders for your syndicate. Wonder if it's spooked the carp on mine as the lake already has its pads cut back and barely any weed. So no where for the carp to hideout other than a no fish zone.
In reply to Post #5
is it a BLUE dye ?
is it a BLUE dye ?
In reply to Post #6
I never saw it go in but I'd say you're probably right. Lake has a slight blue hue to it now. I've heard the dye he uses is kelp based if that helps?
I never saw it go in but I'd say you're probably right. Lake has a slight blue hue to it now. I've heard the dye he uses is kelp based if that helps?
The dye we have had the most success with is the green dye....I know very little about fishery management so leave this to the people whom have more knowledge.... i just do my bit at the work parties......
Have you tried other measures of keeping the predators at bay.... ive heard they need adequate space to take off and land, i.e. if the water is surrounded by trees this can put them off. Or installing floating fish refuges .....the club i am in has had an issue on one particular water when they cut all the perimeter trees back.... they put in refuges to give the fish some shelter......
As i said above i know less than nothing about fish management so i am only passing info i have gleamed from the club forum
Have you tried other measures of keeping the predators at bay.... ive heard they need adequate space to take off and land, i.e. if the water is surrounded by trees this can put them off. Or installing floating fish refuges .....the club i am in has had an issue on one particular water when they cut all the perimeter trees back.... they put in refuges to give the fish some shelter......
As i said above i know less than nothing about fish management so i am only passing info i have gleamed from the club forum
In reply to Post #8
Oh same here, I think you got the wrong end of the stick. I am in no way a fishery owner and wouldn't even know where to start haha
Oh same here, I think you got the wrong end of the stick. I am in no way a fishery owner and wouldn't even know where to start haha
In reply to Post #9
Removing solar energy from the lake? Sounds as stupid as putting a weir across a river.
When will people begin to deal with the root causes of the issue, rather than 'Doing a Farnham'?
Removing solar energy from the lake? Sounds as stupid as putting a weir across a river.
When will people begin to deal with the root causes of the issue, rather than 'Doing a Farnham'?
Blue dye is used in my syndicate, worked to a degree last year but far better this year and agree I'm sure it knocks the fishing a bit when introduced....... 
In reply to Post #10
What's the root cause of excessive cormorant activity? They can't let that go on forever and just perpetually restock.
What's the root cause of excessive cormorant activity? They can't let that go on forever and just perpetually restock.
In reply to Post #12
Cormorants had to adapt or die. Their food resources in their natural ranges have been depleted by humans, causing them to feed, root and nest inland instead of within coastal ranges.
Cormorants had to adapt or die. Their food resources in their natural ranges have been depleted by humans, causing them to feed, root and nest inland instead of within coastal ranges.
In reply to Post #11
It knocks the fishing? It completely destroys the ecology. What do you do when you want to remove the plants from a garden? Cover it in plastic and remove the sunlight. It takes a while but those who have done it know that nothing survives. I think even the chironomids suffer as a consequence of dye applications in lakes. .
Where do the insect eating birds (swallows, martins, hobbies...) and bats (Daubenton's etc) find their food now that the dye has killed the weed the aquatic invertebrates live on?
It knocks the fishing? It completely destroys the ecology. What do you do when you want to remove the plants from a garden? Cover it in plastic and remove the sunlight. It takes a while but those who have done it know that nothing survives. I think even the chironomids suffer as a consequence of dye applications in lakes. .
Where do the insect eating birds (swallows, martins, hobbies...) and bats (Daubenton's etc) find their food now that the dye has killed the weed the aquatic invertebrates live on?
In reply to Post #14
Yeah how does the natural food cope with the dye wont that die off with the weed.
Yeah how does the natural food cope with the dye wont that die off with the weed.
In reply to Post #14
Strange one the dye. A water I know they did the same this year, can't make my mind up. I'm guessing the benefits come two or three years down the line when all the natural ecology has gone and they rely on bait
The colouring up one makes kind of sense though if it deters cormorants etc?
Don't want to hijack the thread, quick question. Has anybody got any experience of dying fish?
Can't say it's something I have come across a lot but I got a very special ticket last year and the stock fish have had their fins dyed purple. They claim to have put loads in but none have been caught so far...
Strange one the dye. A water I know they did the same this year, can't make my mind up. I'm guessing the benefits come two or three years down the line when all the natural ecology has gone and they rely on bait
The colouring up one makes kind of sense though if it deters cormorants etc?
Don't want to hijack the thread, quick question. Has anybody got any experience of dying fish?
Can't say it's something I have come across a lot but I got a very special ticket last year and the stock fish have had their fins dyed purple. They claim to have put loads in but none have been caught so far...
In reply to Post #16
Where do the insect eating birds (swallows, martins, hobbies...) and bats (Daubenton's etc) find their food now that the dye has killed the weed the aquatic invertebrates live on?
Where do the insect eating birds (swallows, martins, hobbies...) and bats (Daubenton's etc) find their food now that the dye has killed the weed the aquatic invertebrates live on?
In reply to Post #17
I agree. A lot of carp anglers do not or cannot fish weed waters, the life blood of most rich lakes!
I agree. A lot of carp anglers do not or cannot fish weed waters, the life blood of most rich lakes!
In reply to Post #17
I'm on 2 lake's both naturally chocolate in colour so no weed growth whatsoever one is of natural scientific interest so you could not apply anything into it if you wanted to other is part of a nature resurve, so coloured and no weed yet both are full of insects and aquatic life there's Kingfisher swallows the whole lot, I /we applied dye to a separate syndicate that I used to run (and I'm still an active member) to stop fish being tethered in weed then we had member's fishing heavy braid and making a right mess of fishes mouths as they dragged them out. So we applied weed dye now into it's 5th year, we still have bits of weed in the shallows and it hasn't affected the pads or rushes ,there's loads of insects crawling out every spring bats bird life so from my experience your comments just don't add up.So just as we went to great expence putting a fence around to prevent otters and preserve fish stocks we added dye in the same vein, i.e to look after the stock. what's next people will be moaning because otters can't eat
This is actually replying to post 16
I'm on 2 lake's both naturally chocolate in colour so no weed growth whatsoever one is of natural scientific interest so you could not apply anything into it if you wanted to other is part of a nature resurve, so coloured and no weed yet both are full of insects and aquatic life there's Kingfisher swallows the whole lot, I /we applied dye to a separate syndicate that I used to run (and I'm still an active member) to stop fish being tethered in weed then we had member's fishing heavy braid and making a right mess of fishes mouths as they dragged them out. So we applied weed dye now into it's 5th year, we still have bits of weed in the shallows and it hasn't affected the pads or rushes ,there's loads of insects crawling out every spring bats bird life so from my experience your comments just don't add up.So just as we went to great expence putting a fence around to prevent otters and preserve fish stocks we added dye in the same vein, i.e to look after the stock. what's next people will be moaning because otters can't eat
This is actually replying to post 16
In reply to Post #19
Interesting feedback that mate. I don't have long term experience of lakes which have been dyed so a bit of a learning curve for me
Which parts don't add up?
Interesting feedback that mate. I don't have long term experience of lakes which have been dyed so a bit of a learning curve for me
Which parts don't add up?
In reply to Post #19
Don't worry ARMALITE, you'll get every scrap killed off in the next few years.
You make my point very well. What is left of the invertebrates are living on what is left of the macrophytes.
6CO2 + 6H2O + light energy = C6H12O6 + 6O2
Don't worry ARMALITE, you'll get every scrap killed off in the next few years.
You make my point very well. What is left of the invertebrates are living on what is left of the macrophytes.
6CO2 + 6H2O + light energy = C6H12O6 + 6O2
In reply to Post #21
My lake is naturally coloured and not a scrap of weed grows, not even when I've introduced it. However there is absolutely loads of life going on both above and below the surface. Snails and shrimps abound, as well as damsel, dragon and caddis fly nymphs. I can't see why the blue dye would have any different an effect?
My lake is naturally coloured and not a scrap of weed grows, not even when I've introduced it. However there is absolutely loads of life going on both above and below the surface. Snails and shrimps abound, as well as damsel, dragon and caddis fly nymphs. I can't see why the blue dye would have any different an effect?
In reply to Post #16
I've not seen fins dyed before, but have seen dye injected under the skin on the belly of fish for monitoring purposes.
I've not seen fins dyed before, but have seen dye injected under the skin on the belly of fish for monitoring purposes.
In reply to Post #23
Interesting. The bailiff told me they had dyed the fins purple to help identify the stock fish, none have been seen apparently. I guess you could be right, injection sounds like the thing to me, can see how they can just dye the fins?
Interesting. The bailiff told me they had dyed the fins purple to help identify the stock fish, none have been seen apparently. I guess you could be right, injection sounds like the thing to me, can see how they can just dye the fins?
In reply to Post #14
It doesn't from what I have seen, weed growth is still present just not as bad as it was without the dye. Water is crystal clear and you can see the weed so I'm sure there is plenty of life still present in it......
It doesn't from what I have seen, weed growth is still present just not as bad as it was without the dye. Water is crystal clear and you can see the weed so I'm sure there is plenty of life still present in it......
In reply to Post #20
All the insects that hatch out dying we've loads still we never had snail's before they always got eaten , we didn't use blue the water was just changed to a dark colour it reflects the sun light back so it doesn't penetrate
All the insects that hatch out dying we've loads still we never had snail's before they always got eaten , we didn't use blue the water was just changed to a dark colour it reflects the sun light back so it doesn't penetrate
In reply to Post #26
I don't understand your reply mate, same as the previous one, maybe you should talk to Justin?
I don't understand your reply mate, same as the previous one, maybe you should talk to Justin?
Having had to use Dye in a lake for three years now – it does help but there is no magic cure to these fast growing invasive weed species like Elodea crispa, it will always be a battle and can be an expensive one at that.
But Dye is not a poison, it harms absolutely nothing – all it does it slow down photo synthesis which in turn slows down the weeds growth.
But Dye is not a poison, it harms absolutely nothing – all it does it slow down photo synthesis which in turn slows down the weeds growth.
In reply to Post #28
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovKw6YjqSfM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovKw6YjqSfM
In reply to Post #29
Dyofix pond dyes are propriety blends of European Food approved colours and do not pose any threat to humans, animals, fish or insects.
Non-toxic, eco-friendly Pond Blue dye for lakes will control algae and aquatic weeds that often cause serious problems, interfering with fishing, boating, swimming, and irrigation. The extremely dense growths of filamentous algae and submerged weeds that also cause serious problems to fish, as a result of night time oxygen depletion, will also be controlled.
Using blue dye for lakes is economical, using less effort
Pond Blue dye for lakes replaces the need for manual algae prevention which is very labour intensive and not always practical.
Pond Blue dye also negates the need for chemicals, algaecides, herbicides which, if not used in precise doses or under strict supervision by experts, can cause an imbalance of the natural nutrients in the pond that can have a negative effect on fish, plants and other species.
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Dyofix pond dyes are propriety blends of European Food approved colours and do not pose any threat to humans, animals, fish or insects.
Non-toxic, eco-friendly Pond Blue dye for lakes will control algae and aquatic weeds that often cause serious problems, interfering with fishing, boating, swimming, and irrigation. The extremely dense growths of filamentous algae and submerged weeds that also cause serious problems to fish, as a result of night time oxygen depletion, will also be controlled.
Using blue dye for lakes is economical, using less effort
Pond Blue dye for lakes replaces the need for manual algae prevention which is very labour intensive and not always practical.
Pond Blue dye also negates the need for chemicals, algaecides, herbicides which, if not used in precise doses or under strict supervision by experts, can cause an imbalance of the natural nutrients in the pond that can have a negative effect on fish, plants and other species.
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In reply to Post #30
Aye, but would you drink it, cause we have some here...
Aye, but would you drink it, cause we have some here...
In reply to Post #31
Would you drink N-Butyric acid, Salmon Oil, and some of the many other harmless liquids we use in baits?
Would you drink N-Butyric acid, Salmon Oil, and some of the many other harmless liquids we use in baits?
In reply to Post #32
Having worked on a Salmon Farm I will never eat Salmon products and I would counsel you to do the same.
Having worked on a Salmon Farm I will never eat Salmon products and I would counsel you to do the same.
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