So I invested in a set of Shimano ST10000 RB's recently having finally taken the plunge to re-start fishing again. Tried casting 20 odd wraps on these yesterday on a quick 24hr sesh (using a 2.5 oz lead tbf) with fairly great difficulty. I could use a 3.5 oz lead next time, but that's beside why I'm posting this thread. I want big pit reels as well as the ST10000's.
My question is, what big pit reels have you got and why? What's makes them good for you?
And then, what would you recommend? What's my budget you ask?! Brand new = circa £200 per reel, 2nd hand = circa £300 for a set.
I do have my eyes on the c14+ XTCs. But that's only because I've only ever had Shimano reels over the years. Keen to hear your thoughts and opinions.
TIA
My question is, what big pit reels have you got and why? What's makes them good for you?
And then, what would you recommend? What's my budget you ask?! Brand new = circa £200 per reel, 2nd hand = circa £300 for a set.
I do have my eyes on the c14+ XTCs. But that's only because I've only ever had Shimano reels over the years. Keen to hear your thoughts and opinions.
TIA
In reply to Post #1
80 yards with a 10000 reel should not be a challenge mate. Spend a few hours practicing chucking a bare led rather than spending more money. Practise is the key with any compound movement like casting.
80 yards with a 10000 reel should not be a challenge mate. Spend a few hours practicing chucking a bare led rather than spending more money. Practise is the key with any compound movement like casting.
In reply to Post #2
Thanks bud. I'm probably out of practice on casting 80 odd yards in honesty. So that could be a good shout. Still interested in hearing what others are using and what reels in the price bracket I mentioned.
Thanks bud. I'm probably out of practice on casting 80 odd yards in honesty. So that could be a good shout. Still interested in hearing what others are using and what reels in the price bracket I mentioned.
In reply to Post #3
I'll give the same answer as usual. Penn Affinity 7000.
I'll give the same answer as usual. Penn Affinity 7000.
In reply to Post #4
I've heard about these. They do a 8000 version to I think. Circa £200 so fits the price bracket. Nice to hear someone recommending them.
Edit: well within budget. They're like £110
I've heard about these. They do a 8000 version to I think. Circa £200 so fits the price bracket. Nice to hear someone recommending them.
Edit: well within budget. They're like £110
In reply to Post #5
The 7000s are plenty big enough imo,superb reels
The 7000s are plenty big enough imo,superb reels
In reply to Post #5
I use the 8000 Penns, fantastic reels, had mine years and can't fault them 👍
I use the 8000 Penns, fantastic reels, had mine years and can't fault them 👍
In reply to Post #7
Are these the same ones?
£105 - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121300636910
There appears to be some at £105 and £180. Are they the same minus the carbon handle?
£180 - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264513780138
Are these the same ones?
£105 - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/121300636910
There appears to be some at £105 and £180. Are they the same minus the carbon handle?
£180 - https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/264513780138
In reply to Post #5
I've had both, brilliant reels, the 7000 is perfect for 99% of things, the 8000 really aren't needed unless you are boating baits out hundreds of yards, they are massive.
I've had both, brilliant reels, the 7000 is perfect for 99% of things, the 8000 really aren't needed unless you are boating baits out hundreds of yards, they are massive.
In reply to Post #1
I've got a set of the XTC ci4, 14000
Thoughts, i' ll start with the negatives, closing the handle can be a pain in the backside until you get the hang of it.
Line can get behind the spool if you are not careful, not in use but if you get a bit of slack on the bank somehow it can unravel from the spool and fall behind it, easily solved when you know about it though and a quick look at the spool before a recheck confirms its good to cast
I've never been a fan of the square cap at the back of ultegras either, thinking a different shape would be more pleasing to look at but that is minor.
Negatives for me that is it.
Positives,smooth retrieve and nice build, I have the dark blue ones that is imo a much better colour than the 'bin bag' black I had on a previous pairs of XTD's. The QD is great, the clutch feels quality, unlike the XTDs that had a plastic feel about it.
I really like the size of spool with tiny body aswell.
I had never seen the 14000 XTC's in the flesh before buying them through mail order and I was a bit worried I'd be disappointed in them after owning a set of the XTD's that I thought felt cheap & nasty, I was gutted on receiving my previous XTD's after owning a set of XTB's before them, i sold my XTB's to buy XTD's and the feel in quality difference was instant.
Got to say though I'm well impressed with my new Xtc's ci4's and feel its money well spent . They feel like a carp reel should do, not cheap, not nasty, smooth retrieve, nice to play a fish on , feel great on the rod, and upto the job in hand
I've got a set of the XTC ci4, 14000
Thoughts, i' ll start with the negatives, closing the handle can be a pain in the backside until you get the hang of it.
Line can get behind the spool if you are not careful, not in use but if you get a bit of slack on the bank somehow it can unravel from the spool and fall behind it, easily solved when you know about it though and a quick look at the spool before a recheck confirms its good to cast
I've never been a fan of the square cap at the back of ultegras either, thinking a different shape would be more pleasing to look at but that is minor.
Negatives for me that is it.
Positives,smooth retrieve and nice build, I have the dark blue ones that is imo a much better colour than the 'bin bag' black I had on a previous pairs of XTD's. The QD is great, the clutch feels quality, unlike the XTDs that had a plastic feel about it.
I really like the size of spool with tiny body aswell.
I had never seen the 14000 XTC's in the flesh before buying them through mail order and I was a bit worried I'd be disappointed in them after owning a set of the XTD's that I thought felt cheap & nasty, I was gutted on receiving my previous XTD's after owning a set of XTB's before them, i sold my XTB's to buy XTD's and the feel in quality difference was instant.
Got to say though I'm well impressed with my new Xtc's ci4's and feel its money well spent . They feel like a carp reel should do, not cheap, not nasty, smooth retrieve, nice to play a fish on , feel great on the rod, and upto the job in hand
In reply to Post #8
Yep, the £105 reels are the ones
The reels in the link are the ones Mr Witch has, slightly newer than mine.
Yep, the £105 reels are the ones
The reels in the link are the ones Mr Witch has, slightly newer than mine.
In reply to Post #11
Thanks pal. I'm almost torn between these Penn's which clearly come highly recommended, and the ci4 XTCs. Mainly because I've also had Shimano reels. Although the price difference is halved.
Thanks pal. I'm almost torn between these Penn's which clearly come highly recommended, and the ci4 XTCs. Mainly because I've also had Shimano reels. Although the price difference is halved.
In reply to Post #12
If it helps, I had the original Shimano Big Pit Bait runners for about 15 years before the Penns. The 7000 Penns are better, unless you are boating miles out, then I'd go for the 8000 Penns that Mr Agent has. Don't worry about them seeming cheap... They are top quality reels.
If it helps, I had the original Shimano Big Pit Bait runners for about 15 years before the Penns. The 7000 Penns are better, unless you are boating miles out, then I'd go for the 8000 Penns that Mr Agent has. Don't worry about them seeming cheap... They are top quality reels.
In reply to Post #12
The penns are the ones to get, the only reason they are so cheap is because they dont have a shimano or daiwa badge. If they did they'd be £300+ all day long
The penns are the ones to get, the only reason they are so cheap is because they dont have a shimano or daiwa badge. If they did they'd be £300+ all day long
In reply to Post #14
Another thumbs up for the Penns. 7000s are more than enough for most situations
Another thumbs up for the Penns. 7000s are more than enough for most situations
In reply to Post #14
They'd also weigh 200 grams less
They'd also weigh 200 grams less
In reply to Post #16
And??.....
And??.....
In reply to Post #17
Just adding some balance. It's not a fair comparison with Daiwa/Shimano because they've been minimising weight for generations of reels. The fact is they simply wouldn't put out a big pit weighing this much in the £300 + bracket.
I'm not saying the Penn's are bad reels, far from it, but they are decades behind Shimano and Daiwa on the weight front.
If that's not important to you crack on. If it is then it's worth noting.
The closest comparisons I can find are:
Daiwa Emblem 45SCW £150 615 grams
Daiwa ISO (new black) £450 520 grams
Can't find anything between those two price-wise apart form the Cult Tournies which are a 40 year old design
Shimano Ultegra Ci4 £230 540 grams
Shimano Power Aero £400 510 grams
Just adding some balance. It's not a fair comparison with Daiwa/Shimano because they've been minimising weight for generations of reels. The fact is they simply wouldn't put out a big pit weighing this much in the £300 + bracket.
I'm not saying the Penn's are bad reels, far from it, but they are decades behind Shimano and Daiwa on the weight front.
If that's not important to you crack on. If it is then it's worth noting.
The closest comparisons I can find are:
Daiwa Emblem 45SCW £150 615 grams
Daiwa ISO (new black) £450 520 grams
Can't find anything between those two price-wise apart form the Cult Tournies which are a 40 year old design
Shimano Ultegra Ci4 £230 540 grams
Shimano Power Aero £400 510 grams
In reply to Post #18
Of course it's a fair comparison. And baring in mind I repleced my first penns with daiwa entoh with an rrp of £300+ and weighing 601g, found them to be inferior so got rid and got more penns which low and behold weigh.... 600g.
Weight isn't a big issue for carp reels anyway, they spend most of their time on banks ticks and lighter reels make no difference to casting or feel when playing fish, people just convince themselves it does
Of course it's a fair comparison. And baring in mind I repleced my first penns with daiwa entoh with an rrp of £300+ and weighing 601g, found them to be inferior so got rid and got more penns which low and behold weigh.... 600g.
Weight isn't a big issue for carp reels anyway, they spend most of their time on banks ticks and lighter reels make no difference to casting or feel when playing fish, people just convince themselves it does
In reply to Post #18
So what you're saying is you'd happily pay an extra 2-300 quid on saving 80-100 grams?
So what you're saying is you'd happily pay an extra 2-300 quid on saving 80-100 grams?
In reply to Post #19
You keep stating your opinion as if it's fact, which it ain't.
However it's an indisputable fact that weight IS important to many people and reel manufacturers have made weight reduction a primary design objective since the year dot.
The Penn's are clearly very good reels in the sub £200 class. But if you're paying double that then I think it's reasonable to expect a substantial weight reduction. Otherwise the major reel manufacturers have got things very badly wrong all these years.
You keep stating your opinion as if it's fact, which it ain't.
However it's an indisputable fact that weight IS important to many people and reel manufacturers have made weight reduction a primary design objective since the year dot.
The Penn's are clearly very good reels in the sub £200 class. But if you're paying double that then I think it's reasonable to expect a substantial weight reduction. Otherwise the major reel manufacturers have got things very badly wrong all these years.
In reply to Post #20
I paid something like £350 for my Daiwa reels and they weigh about 500 grams, so nearly 200 grams less (old Daiwa ISO).
I personally wouldn't consider a 700 grams reels at any price.
And before anyone tells me how to spend my money, don't!
I paid something like £350 for my Daiwa reels and they weigh about 500 grams, so nearly 200 grams less (old Daiwa ISO).
I personally wouldn't consider a 700 grams reels at any price.
And before anyone tells me how to spend my money, don't!
In reply to Post #21
And yet as I just said you don't necessarily get that (pointless) weight saving... They are a brilliant reel regardless of what price bracket they are in. Of I hadn't messed up ordering the reel seats on my rods I'd still have a set, they are so so much better than the emblems I've had to replace them with.
And no, my opinions are just that, same as yours are. Although you seemed to state that more expensive reels are lighter which I just proved ain't the case....
And yet as I just said you don't necessarily get that (pointless) weight saving... They are a brilliant reel regardless of what price bracket they are in. Of I hadn't messed up ordering the reel seats on my rods I'd still have a set, they are so so much better than the emblems I've had to replace them with.
And no, my opinions are just that, same as yours are. Although you seemed to state that more expensive reels are lighter which I just proved ain't the case....
In reply to Post #22
The penn 7000 are 640, 8000 are 715g. I've always been a value for money shopper so penns everyday for me.
Didn't say anything of the sort so don't bother getting your back up.
The penn 7000 are 640, 8000 are 715g. I've always been a value for money shopper so penns everyday for me.
Didn't say anything of the sort so don't bother getting your back up.
In reply to Post #24
It's advertised at 684 grams so maybe that's a mistake then?
Veals
Weymouth Angling
Anyway the crux of the debate here is whether the weight of a reel is important or not.
If you want budget value then crack on, these are clearly a good buy. Others are happy to put a price on performance, be that perceived or otherwise.
It's advertised at 684 grams so maybe that's a mistake then?
Veals
Weymouth Angling
Anyway the crux of the debate here is whether the weight of a reel is important or not.
If you want budget value then crack on, these are clearly a good buy. Others are happy to put a price on performance, be that perceived or otherwise.
In reply to Post #25
Seems like on penns webpage they're 680 like you say. The first black version (the ones I own) are 642 but that info is on mystic parts website so not sure on accuracy.
Seems like on penns webpage they're 680 like you say. The first black version (the ones I own) are 642 but that info is on mystic parts website so not sure on accuracy.
In reply to Post #25
Performance is key for me, hence selling off the £300 daiwas and going back to the just over £100 penns. They performed way better, nothing to do with price tag.
Performance is key for me, hence selling off the £300 daiwas and going back to the just over £100 penns. They performed way better, nothing to do with price tag.
In reply to Post #26
I've just weighed one, with a spool on, full of 15lb mono. 643g.
I agree with IP, subtle weight changes are irrelevant and to class them as a budget reel, tbh, is a little ignorant. I have 2 mates who sold their Techniums for serious cash, both replaced them with Penns. Both say they are better reels. They're not fishing puddles either, long range on Rockford and Spinnaker, and both seriously experienced with masses of big fish under their belts. The Penns are great. End of.
I've just weighed one, with a spool on, full of 15lb mono. 643g.
I agree with IP, subtle weight changes are irrelevant and to class them as a budget reel, tbh, is a little ignorant. I have 2 mates who sold their Techniums for serious cash, both replaced them with Penns. Both say they are better reels. They're not fishing puddles either, long range on Rockford and Spinnaker, and both seriously experienced with masses of big fish under their belts. The Penns are great. End of.
Blimey is it really such a crime to favour a lighter reel 
In reply to Post #25
The Penns are not budget value mate,they are just amazing value for money.As you know i have had loads of different reels over the last few years and the Penns are better than them all.If weight is a massive issue then fair enough but I can't see its a massive issue for most.I have sold my power aero's already,just felt like another cheap **** put together shimano reel like the black mgs I didn't like either.Im now waiting for my Daiwa Basia 19 scw qd to come in stock,if I don't like them then I'm having the Penns 100%
The Penns are not budget value mate,they are just amazing value for money.As you know i have had loads of different reels over the last few years and the Penns are better than them all.If weight is a massive issue then fair enough but I can't see its a massive issue for most.I have sold my power aero's already,just felt like another cheap **** put together shimano reel like the black mgs I didn't like either.Im now waiting for my Daiwa Basia 19 scw qd to come in stock,if I don't like them then I'm having the Penns 100%
In reply to Post #29
Not a crime mate, just not as important as you are making out for carping.
Not a crime mate, just not as important as you are making out for carping.
The adverts I saw were 680 grams. 640 or less makes quite a difference imo.
They are clearly very good reels, albeit on the heavy side for a mid range reel. If you don't think the extra 30% weight is a problem then grab yourself a bargain. If you do stick to Daiwa or Shimano. I don't think I can say it fairer than that...
They are clearly very good reels, albeit on the heavy side for a mid range reel. If you don't think the extra 30% weight is a problem then grab yourself a bargain. If you do stick to Daiwa or Shimano. I don't think I can say it fairer than that...
In reply to Post #30
Did you have isos at some point too?
I'm using the emblem 20 scw 45 lgbtq lmfao, I love the look but they feel a bit flimsy, and the high gearing accentuates that, particularly when fishing in weed
Did you have isos at some point too?
I'm using the emblem 20 scw 45 lgbtq lmfao, I love the look but they feel a bit flimsy, and the high gearing accentuates that, particularly when fishing in weed
In reply to Post #33
Yes I did
Yes I did
In reply to Post #32
Cool
And thanks for the debate guys. It's really helped me make my mind up. Rather than sticking with Shimano and forking out circa 100% more than the Penns, I've opted to steer away from Shimano as weight certainly is not a factor for me. Not when we're talking around 100g. If it's an issue I'll just start doing an extra gym session at the weekend
Really appreciate everyone's input and I'm all about value for money. If they want to use aluminium instead of carbon to save some wonga, I'm happy with that.
Cool
And thanks for the debate guys. It's really helped me make my mind up. Rather than sticking with Shimano and forking out circa 100% more than the Penns, I've opted to steer away from Shimano as weight certainly is not a factor for me. Not when we're talking around 100g. If it's an issue I'll just start doing an extra gym session at the weekend
Really appreciate everyone's input and I'm all about value for money. If they want to use aluminium instead of carbon to save some wonga, I'm happy with that.
In reply to Post #35
If the penns are that good I'm gonna have to get a set to try...
If the penns are that good I'm gonna have to get a set to try...
only problem with the penns, after the first 7000, they all got silly logos and stuff all over them, less is more with logos etc, ive got the mk2 7000 ltd, and there better than my shimano c14, and on par with my okuma
In reply to Post #37
I can live with ****ty looking logos at £100 a pop. Although they don't look bad to me.
I can live with ****ty looking logos at £100 a pop. Although they don't look bad to me.
In reply to Post #37
If you've got some isopropyl alcohol lying about I'd imagine most of that will rub off. Also if you try this don't blame me if it goes tits up
If you've got some isopropyl alcohol lying about I'd imagine most of that will rub off. Also if you try this don't blame me if it goes tits up
In reply to Post #22
I fully agree , I wouldn't consider a 700g reel at any price , I'm not slating heavy reels but for me a reel should be as light weight as possible as well have fast retrieval , smooth clutch , good casting , and impeccable reliability , I regularly fish at long range and feel a lighter reel is a joy to wind in but a heavy reel becomes a mundane chore .
My reels of choice have all this and more , I've had all brands and different types from Daiwa , Shimano , Penn , etc... I wouldn't part with my old Penn 525 mag multiplier reels ( Original USA version ) they are still like new , I also own a set of Penn Surfblaster sea reels which have been ok but they do not perform anywhere near as well as my old Ultegra Ci4 14000 for performance casting because they are just too heavy , this is only exaggerated even more when retrieving .
Horses for courses though and everyone has an opinion , I like light reels , if I have to pay a lot more so be it
I fully agree , I wouldn't consider a 700g reel at any price , I'm not slating heavy reels but for me a reel should be as light weight as possible as well have fast retrieval , smooth clutch , good casting , and impeccable reliability , I regularly fish at long range and feel a lighter reel is a joy to wind in but a heavy reel becomes a mundane chore .
My reels of choice have all this and more , I've had all brands and different types from Daiwa , Shimano , Penn , etc... I wouldn't part with my old Penn 525 mag multiplier reels ( Original USA version ) they are still like new , I also own a set of Penn Surfblaster sea reels which have been ok but they do not perform anywhere near as well as my old Ultegra Ci4 14000 for performance casting because they are just too heavy , this is only exaggerated even more when retrieving .
Horses for courses though and everyone has an opinion , I like light reels , if I have to pay a lot more so be it
In reply to Post #40
Agree 100% here
A lighter reel is surely better than a donkey heavyweight, remember the big bait runners great for retrieve power and crank power but crap for feel.
Bet you don't see heavy metal on the casting scene for good reason, lightness is the key ask Colin chapman
Agree 100% here
A lighter reel is surely better than a donkey heavyweight, remember the big bait runners great for retrieve power and crank power but crap for feel.
Bet you don't see heavy metal on the casting scene for good reason, lightness is the key ask Colin chapman
In reply to Post #34
What didn't you like about them?
What didn't you like about them?
Definitely lighter the better If you're fishing big waters - which these types are supposed to be used for - and finding spots at range, a lighter real has to be the one; stands to reason as it's going to be less knackering over time vs a heavier real.
I could make an analogy between a heavy 35lb cross country mountain bike that's loaded with Shimano's cheap components vs one tricked out in Shimano's XTR groupset weighing 25lb. Yeah both components do the same job, but after lifting the heavier bike over obstacles ect vs the lightweight bike that's as light as a feather and much more reactive and easier to peddle up hill, lightweight bike wins all day long. You're never going to see a 35lb plusser in any cross country competitions for good reason.
I suppose it all comes down to what you're happy with, where you're fishing and how deep your pockets are. If you're fishing smaller waters where you're not banging out at mega ranges then maybe a heavier reel is fine, but if you're having to cast at range, lighter reel all day long simply due to fatigue with a heavier reel plus you're going to be able to generate quicker hand speed with a lighter reel - physics'. If you're using a boat of any description, light vs heavy goes out the window to a large extent, but, are you always going to be using some kind of boat?
I could make an analogy between a heavy 35lb cross country mountain bike that's loaded with Shimano's cheap components vs one tricked out in Shimano's XTR groupset weighing 25lb. Yeah both components do the same job, but after lifting the heavier bike over obstacles ect vs the lightweight bike that's as light as a feather and much more reactive and easier to peddle up hill, lightweight bike wins all day long. You're never going to see a 35lb plusser in any cross country competitions for good reason.
I suppose it all comes down to what you're happy with, where you're fishing and how deep your pockets are. If you're fishing smaller waters where you're not banging out at mega ranges then maybe a heavier reel is fine, but if you're having to cast at range, lighter reel all day long simply due to fatigue with a heavier reel plus you're going to be able to generate quicker hand speed with a lighter reel - physics'. If you're using a boat of any description, light vs heavy goes out the window to a large extent, but, are you always going to be using some kind of boat?
All this talk of reel weight seems a bit extreme to me. Nearly every carp angler I see uses a Daiwa Emblem Spod reel and that is a 690gm reel. It also gets used for long periods of repeated casting on a heavy spod rod.
So will using a light weight reel on your fishing rods really help you that much for a single cast, when you are going to then spod say 10 plus times over each spot you want to cast to?
So will using a light weight reel on your fishing rods really help you that much for a single cast, when you are going to then spod say 10 plus times over each spot you want to cast to?
In reply to Post #44
You've kinda answered your own question in a way. Okay, so spombing out 30 spombs @100yds... not so bad even with a heavy spod/reel combo, now try 30kg in one go... F**ked! Now if you had a light spod/reel combo that could do the same job, not so knackred.
In respect to your rod you're fishing with, similar applies. If you're casting @100yds for arguments sakes, even spraying it all over the shop looking for that perfect spot for ages isn't going to be that bad, but if you're banging out say 150yds, it's going to be noticeable how much more effort you're exhausting to get out there spraying it all over the place, so a lighter reel would be better, plus I'd say - as I've already mentioned - a lighter reel is easier to generate the hand speed to even get out to 150yds in the first place.
You've kinda answered your own question in a way. Okay, so spombing out 30 spombs @100yds... not so bad even with a heavy spod/reel combo, now try 30kg in one go... F**ked! Now if you had a light spod/reel combo that could do the same job, not so knackred.
In respect to your rod you're fishing with, similar applies. If you're casting @100yds for arguments sakes, even spraying it all over the shop looking for that perfect spot for ages isn't going to be that bad, but if you're banging out say 150yds, it's going to be noticeable how much more effort you're exhausting to get out there spraying it all over the place, so a lighter reel would be better, plus I'd say - as I've already mentioned - a lighter reel is easier to generate the hand speed to even get out to 150yds in the first place.
In reply to Post #45
Do you think you would actually notice 100g extra at the reel when you've got 5oz+ 10ft along the lever?
Anyone care to do the calculations of what that weight becomes at your end?
Edit, it was a long night(
) so I may be well out with my calculations, but 5oz loaded spomb needs 25oz at the handle to hold it, I think that means 50oz at the fulcrum(the reel hand) before we add the weight of the rod and reel. And that's just to hold it still!
Do you think you would actually notice 100g extra at the reel when you've got 5oz+ 10ft along the lever?
Anyone care to do the calculations of what that weight becomes at your end?
Edit, it was a long night(
) so I may be well out with my calculations, but 5oz loaded spomb needs 25oz at the handle to hold it, I think that means 50oz at the fulcrum(the reel hand) before we add the weight of the rod and reel. And that's just to hold it still!
In reply to Post #43
The weight argument also needs to consider the weight of the rod, and the balance of the set up. For example, on my Rockford days, for while I used the Shimano Big pits with Century FMJ's - it weighed a bloody ton and my wrist and elbows started aching after a few long chucks. Changing to lighter rods (weight) in the form of Harrison Chimera's solved that problem totally.
I can see the logic of an argument for a reel that might weight 100-150g less, but in a practical situation, on a balanced set up, I've not noticed any difference for this weight differential.
The weight argument also needs to consider the weight of the rod, and the balance of the set up. For example, on my Rockford days, for while I used the Shimano Big pits with Century FMJ's - it weighed a bloody ton and my wrist and elbows started aching after a few long chucks. Changing to lighter rods (weight) in the form of Harrison Chimera's solved that problem totally.
I can see the logic of an argument for a reel that might weight 100-150g less, but in a practical situation, on a balanced set up, I've not noticed any difference for this weight differential.
In reply to Post #46
Great point diggs
100g seems trifling, it's such a punny amount hardly worth even considering especially in the context you've put it in. I think that over time like I was trying to illustrate in my post that weight saving is only really noticeable at range, after all, you do have to reel in after you've cast whereby a lighter reel would make some differences.
Great point diggs
100g seems trifling, it's such a punny amount hardly worth even considering especially in the context you've put it in. I think that over time like I was trying to illustrate in my post that weight saving is only really noticeable at range, after all, you do have to reel in after you've cast whereby a lighter reel would make some differences.
In reply to Post #47
You know, for some time I've been trying to rationalize why having a lighter reel might make a difference as I've been tempted to buy a set of Aero Technium's. The only thing apart from being easier when you're repetitively casting - however marginal - is quicker hand speed (apologies for repeating myself) which equates to longer ranges for which these big pit reels are designed for. Obviously we're not constantly banging a lead to the horizon, though having a reel that can get you big distances when needed...
You know, for some time I've been trying to rationalize why having a lighter reel might make a difference as I've been tempted to buy a set of Aero Technium's. The only thing apart from being easier when you're repetitively casting - however marginal - is quicker hand speed (apologies for repeating myself) which equates to longer ranges for which these big pit reels are designed for. Obviously we're not constantly banging a lead to the horizon, though having a reel that can get you big distances when needed...
In reply to Post #42
Sorry for late reply only just seen your post.I liked the reel itself but I just felt I was losing distance on the cast maybe down to the 35mm spool and the line lay.I was hitting better distances when i borrowed my mates Penns
Sorry for late reply only just seen your post.I liked the reel itself but I just felt I was losing distance on the cast maybe down to the 35mm spool and the line lay.I was hitting better distances when i borrowed my mates Penns
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