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Atlantic Heat - Bait Woks (66 posts / 11,432 views)
dreamtime dreamtime
Posts: 225
Post #1 13 Aug 2020 12:44
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Looking to switch over to bait works and I am looking for an all round year bait.

Anyone using Atlantic heat all year round?

Thanks in advance
Jimbo6745
Posts: 422
Post #2 13 Aug 2020 12:56
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Would use it all year round without a doubt great bait. I must admit I fished it 50/50 and found royal marine to fish better on a few lakes. But use with confidence
James_9
Posts: 502
Post #3 13 Aug 2020 13:09
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In reply to Post #2
Intersting Jimbo with the AH - I never got into it and to be honest not that impressed. I found that when air dried properly and then used, they swell up and start to float up after 24hrs, this is telling me that there is a lot of crumb based product in the bait.

Cannot comment on RM as never used but I know Scotty rates it.
dreamtime dreamtime
Posts: 225
Post #4 13 Aug 2020 13:22
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In reply to Post #2
Thanks very much
scottbrown scottbrown
Posts: 127
Post #5 13 Aug 2020 17:37
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In reply to Post #4
I use Both Atlantic Heat and Royal Marines,and for me the Royals give me considerably more runs than Atlantic heat.
Maybe as much as 6-1 ratio.
I'm on Shelf life's as i've tried both frozen and shelf and found no noticeable difference.
Been using Baitworks bait for ages now.
dreamtime dreamtime
Posts: 225
Post #6 13 Aug 2020 18:18
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In reply to Post #5
dreamtime dreamtime
Posts: 225
Post #7 13 Aug 2020 18:26
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In reply to Post #5
Thats great feedback, I got some of their samples of shel lifes and have to say was really impressed. Just was torn between what to go for. I have heard good things about the Royal Marine.

Cheers
Bren987 Bren987
Posts: 704
Post #8 13 Aug 2020 19:48
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In reply to Post #7
Started using Atlantic heat this season on a new syndicate, caught really well so far impressed with it to be honest.
Delivery was in a couple of days too, just put another order in for royal marine this time and their site says due to demand it could take up to 10 days.
SPINBOWLER SPINBOWLER
Posts: 1,418
Post #9 14 Aug 2020 01:26
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In reply to Post #7
The AH is a decent enough bait in general but the quality of their balanced baits and cork dust pop ups is pretty poor.

The only other thing I'd say about Baitworks is that their rolling and QC isn't that great, far to many miss shapes and scrag ends in the bags for my liking.
Joe101
Posts: 1,102
Post #10 14 Aug 2020 09:04
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In reply to Post #9
So pleasing to read that comment. Around 18-24 months ago, the pop ups were fantastic, and also a reddy colour, however the brown batches since have been awful. I've contacted BW who don't agree, but did send me a booster liquid. The pop ups are so bad I'm considering changing bait after 4+ years on BW.

Great boilies, god awful pop ups.
NWCarper1986
Posts: 175
Post #11 14 Aug 2020 09:36
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In reply to Post #10
Why not just make your own corkball pop ups then
carpyclarkey carpyclarkey
Posts: 1,901
Post #12 14 Aug 2020 10:40
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In reply to Post #11
Use the cork ball kit. I get a couple at the start of the year and knock up 4 tubs of cork balls, mesh them up and coat them in the booster good to go
SPINBOWLER SPINBOWLER
Posts: 1,418
Post #13 14 Aug 2020 10:53
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In reply to Post #10
I had the exact same conversation, I will be switching back to Essential.
SPINBOWLER SPINBOWLER
Posts: 1,418
Post #14 14 Aug 2020 11:06
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In reply to Post #11
If I wanted to make cork balls I would, all I want is what is described on the site, what turned up is nothing like shown in the videos etc, then I had fob off BS from them when I spoke to them.

I used Essential for 20 years and they were tip top
Carp-man76 Carp-man76
Posts: 1,937
Post #15 14 Aug 2020 11:51
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In reply to Post #14
So why did you leave essential after 20 years there must have been a reason?
dreamtime dreamtime
Posts: 225
Post #16 14 Aug 2020 11:58
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In reply to Post #15
Now im confused, didn't expect some of these reactions. So are we saying Essential is a better bait company than bait works? I really want to get this right and not be switching.

Been on Cell for 10 years so need to make the right choice
dreamtime dreamtime
Posts: 225
Post #17 14 Aug 2020 11:59
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In reply to Post #16
and PS
Im talking about boillies not pop ups.
NemesisWitch NemesisWitch
Posts: 1,425
Post #18 14 Aug 2020 11:59
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In reply to Post #12
Baitworks have always got their pop ups wrong, which is surprising considering the quality of their boiled baits. The corkdust ones have always been rubbish, not that buoyant and smelling of soggy Cork within 24 hours. Their pop packs are not ideal as the paste they supply is standard paste, not hardened or sieved finely. They would be better off selling small bags of bespoke hardened, sieved hookbait basemix powder, with a small bottle of the liquids.
MARKerz
Posts: 1,954
Post #19 14 Aug 2020 12:10
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In reply to Post #1
Used Atlantic Heat shelf-life last season, it was excellent for me in all conditions.
Didn't use any of their other products.
Tom81
Posts: 830
Post #20 14 Aug 2020 12:13
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In reply to Post #1
Bait woks...is that the chinese rip off version?
NWCarper1986
Posts: 175
Post #21 14 Aug 2020 12:26
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In reply to Post #14
Another thing to remember is that the synthetic dye used in robin red is now banned by defra in the UK so robin red now has a different dye which has changed the colour of baits. DNA S7 is another example of this that bait isn't as red as it used to be anymore. A lot of robin red based baits wont look as red anymore
dreamtime dreamtime
Posts: 225
Post #22 14 Aug 2020 12:32
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In reply to Post #20
LOL
Just realised!
carpyclarkey carpyclarkey
Posts: 1,901
Post #23 14 Aug 2020 12:58
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In reply to Post #22
Never had an issue with the cork ball kit. Soak the cork balls in egg white always helps

Found loads of pop ups hit and miss over the years especially if fishing chods. Cork balls and proper jobs are always reliable
wevs wevs
Posts: 1,608
Post #24 14 Aug 2020 13:38
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In reply to Post #23
I found that AH softened and opened up very quickly (a few hours and then could be taken apart by silver fish. I ended up using lots of oil and other liquids to toughen them up so they would last until bite time.

Their pop ups have never been buoyant enough. Especially as I never use a hook smaller than a size 4. I end up plugging mine with foam.

I do rate their liquids especially C-Stim.
SPINBOWLER SPINBOWLER
Posts: 1,418
Post #25 14 Aug 2020 20:10
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In reply to Post #18
That pretty much sums up their pop ups and waffters, didn't seem right from the off. Appears to be more cork than bait, dont smell or look like anything near the boilies.
I think I will sling the pots I've got as I've no confidence in any of their potted baits now.
SPINBOWLER SPINBOWLER
Posts: 1,418
Post #26 14 Aug 2020 20:27
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In reply to Post #15
TBH mate it was mostly down to the deals they do in January. I buy 100kg at a time so it was a lot of money saved.
That said I'd done my homework on the AH and it looked good and the company had a similar vibe to Essential and it seemed to perform as good based on reports etc and in appearance it wasn't a million miles from B5.
The potted baits are shocking and I'd say to anyone dont waste your money on those. The dip is far to thick and the Hot Oil is not worth it versus any other fish oil.
The C Stim powder and liquid seems ok as does the crustacean stuff, that said you can get very similar products from other companies.

The Scent from Heaven and Hell are what they are, they catch but they are not anything out of this world.
As I've already said there's a lot of misshapes and scraps in each 5kg bag I've opened, I've seen bait being made 1st hand so I know there is no need for this, I want round baits to stick etc not odds and ends, something i never experienced with my B5.

I guess you get what you pay for, pay a little more for the quality and consistency of B5.
midlandman midlandman
Posts: 3,480
Post #27 14 Aug 2020 20:56
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It's a great bait, definitely one of the best available. I would use it with total confidence. Also the cork ball kits are spot on, as with another user below, I soak the cork all's in egg whites and this, along with a good air Dry produces perfect pop ups....that haven't yet needed meshing.

I agree the qc isn't amazing and you get a few misshapes and, yes, the cork dust pop ups do not inspire me with confidence but overall it is a very, very good bait.

It's taking a lot longer than 2 days to get orders at the moment though....they are manically busy.
DenzelLN
Posts: 382
Post #28 14 Aug 2020 22:05
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In reply to Post #16
In my opinion Essential is the best in the business. I have been using BW this season due to freezer and cost issues and whilst their shelf life boilies are better (softer) than essential their balanced dumbbells are a bit naff.

Why don't BW have 12mm boilies and popups available, anyone know?



Joe101
Posts: 1,102
Post #29 14 Aug 2020 22:12
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In reply to Post #28
Apparently their mix is too coarse to roll small baits.
Joe101
Posts: 1,102
Post #30 14 Aug 2020 22:14
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In reply to Post #25
I sold all my AH pop ups on eBay. You might as well put them on, they will sell.

That was my thought, 90% cork dust and 10% boilie mix, they look like those coconut covered cakes.
SPINBOWLER SPINBOWLER
Posts: 1,418
Post #31 14 Aug 2020 22:20
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In reply to Post #30
Sat in the bivvie right now, ( had the snooker and the Barca game on) looking at the pops and waffters, they look and smell rank, that's after I chucked a bit of booster on them.😟
BlankasorusRex BlankasorusRex
Posts: 5,282
Post #32 14 Aug 2020 22:30
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There's no doubting that b5 is a great bait. I used it for quite a while and the quality of the boilies was never in question. However the pop ups are dreadful. They struggle to hold up any big hook rigs and they wash out so fast that I expect most of the time you are fishing with little more than a visual attractor. To give you an example, I fished a winter day session using the b5 Fluros. It was literally just 8am till 4pm. The water temp was freezing. When I brought in the rigs, both pop ups had absolutely zero smell, right through them. Ok so you could argue that's a good thing as they leaked out attraction. But if they can do this in eight hours in freezing water temps, good luck using them in summer for 24 hours. I strongly suggest your own cork balls if using b5 as the basemix is first rate.
SPINBOWLER SPINBOWLER
Posts: 1,418
Post #33 14 Aug 2020 22:36
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In reply to Post #32
The Black Snail is even worse. In this day and age they should be able to come up with something that's not dust or ball based, look at the quality of the other pops and waffters out there from certain hookbait specialists.
midlandman midlandman
Posts: 3,480
Post #34 14 Aug 2020 22:45
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In reply to Post #32
B5 has stood the test of time like few other baits, but I don't see many people using it at the moment, quite a few seem, in fact, to have switched to baitworks, for whatever reason.
SPINBOWLER SPINBOWLER
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Post #35 14 Aug 2020 22:51
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In reply to Post #34
Price.


Essential do take the piss a bit with the so called winterised version, no need for it in my opinion. It smacks of a marketing scam for orders at the most quiet part of the year whilst still keeping the big spring sales with a so called spring/summer/autumn bait.
midlandman midlandman
Posts: 3,480
Post #36 14 Aug 2020 23:08
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In reply to Post #35
No, not price......Essential are pretty cheap when bought in bulk, or they certainly used to be.
midlandman midlandman
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Post #37 14 Aug 2020 23:09
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In reply to Post #35
I agree on the winterised piss take though....what is it, just the same minus the 10mk of salmon oil? Mind you, Mike knows a lot more than me about bait!
DenzelLN
Posts: 382
Post #38 15 Aug 2020 00:12
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In reply to Post #32
I agree their flouros are poor. I find the cork dust pops and wafter fine however.

Sorry for the thread derail but does anyone know if the BW 12mm tippers will hold up a delicate popup rig?
SPINBOWLER SPINBOWLER
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Post #39 15 Aug 2020 00:20
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In reply to Post #37
He might know more than you and me but he'll never know as much about bait as the Carp do, it's a ploy to shift more bait.
SPINBOWLER SPINBOWLER
Posts: 1,418
Post #40 15 Aug 2020 00:28
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In reply to Post #36
Are you sure?

Look on the web around Christmas for posts about Baitworks sale, I think I paid 4.80 a KG whereas Essential will have you believe you can only use their offer on the winterised stuff till the end of March then they want you back for more once the suns out, plenty fall for it.

We dont get winters like we used to so it's not really relevant these days.

Buy B5 at the winterised offer, chuck the baits in a bucket and coat them in the dip and a touch of Salmon oil and vacuum pack them, good for 9 months of the year, leave a few KG uncoated if you're doing winter sessions or just leave the oil out.
bluebeat13
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Post #41 15 Aug 2020 00:33
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In reply to Post #26
Why would you buy 100kg of a bait you hadn't bought a few kg to test out?
midlandman midlandman
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Post #42 15 Aug 2020 00:33
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In reply to Post #40
Maybe, but not for me. I like my bait fresh.
SPINBOWLER SPINBOWLER
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Post #43 15 Aug 2020 00:40
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In reply to Post #41
Because I know the bait itself is ok, it's the pops, waffters and QC I question, the volume bought is irrelevant one pot or a hundred the potted baits are crap, 5kg or 100kg the QC is the same.

Without Covid the 100kg bought in December would of gone by now but luckily it will now take me till November/December so I will likely go back to Essential.

Theres also the way you use a bait in my view, it's not always about using it as the hook bait, that's why the Baitworks blurb about attracting snails etc was a big part of why I went with it.


Anyway buying a few KG to try out tells you nothing unless you're on a water rammed with starving fish, that's a day ticket, makes me itch just thinking about that
If you're fishing the total opposite then it's about ingredients, history, catch results, the sort if waters it does well on and the grapevine, you'll have a gut feeling for what works based on what you have used and what you know.
Carp4fun
Posts: 40
Post #44 15 Aug 2020 14:47
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In reply to Post #1
I have tried baitworks because I fell in that trap of a cheap deal. To be honest I will agree with other comments that the hookbaits were just useless and I ended up making my own. I would also say that my catch rates suffered so I gave the last few kg away. I think that many of those companies who charge 4/5 quid a kilo are very much the same and although I tried hard to like baitworks i just never felt confident using it and never had a bite over the winter. Never had a sniff on the scent from hell either despite having a friend who has done well on them.
JamieH
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Post #45 15 Aug 2020 15:50
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Up until this thread, I don't think I had actually seen any negative comments concerning Baitworks.
I've never used them myself. But I do know someone who's catch rate has gone up since switching over to them a little while back.
Wayne Wayne
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Post #46 15 Aug 2020 17:45
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In reply to Post #45
There boilees are some of the best available IMO........pop ups / wafters I found were pants.......
Joe101
Posts: 1,102
Post #47 15 Aug 2020 19:00
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In reply to Post #45
The boilies are fantastic, I've always been a fan of the freezer bait, but needs air drying properly, as it's quite soft. The pop ups were also good, now a load of rubbish.
dreamtime dreamtime
Posts: 225
Post #48 15 Aug 2020 19:29
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In reply to Post #46
Thats the gist im getting now, I started the thread and really wanted to know about their boillies and no intention of using their popups. I have decided to go with Royal Marine and use another companies pop ups etc

Darkieallard
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Post #49 15 Aug 2020 19:43
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In reply to Post #48
You won't go wrong with any of there selection, I've personally never had any problems with there Walters or pop ups just the mrs moaning about the smell of scent from hell.
DenzelLN
Posts: 382
Post #50 15 Aug 2020 21:55
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In reply to Post #48
Don't forget their pellets. Great IMO. As are their shelf life baits. The only product i didn't like was their cork dust wafters and popups. Flouros etc are ace

SamBarley
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Post #51 16 Aug 2020 19:45
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In reply to Post #35
To be fair Baitworks do “winterise” thier boilies too during the colder months, they just don't advertise it or alter the price.
Make of that what you will!
Baitman Baitman
Posts: 5,266
Post #52 16 Aug 2020 20:04
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In reply to Post #51
Winterise eh... i wonder what this really means.

Would it just be the freezer baits.
SamBarley
Posts: 2,210
Post #53 16 Aug 2020 20:07
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In reply to Post #52
A change of oil source and amount.
Nope shelf life's too. Pretty sure pellet as well but not 100% sure on that one.
Bren987 Bren987
Posts: 704
Post #54 16 Aug 2020 20:28
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In reply to Post #47
How long do you air dry them for? How do you look after them after that time? Cheers
Joe101
Posts: 1,102
Post #55 17 Aug 2020 10:09
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In reply to Post #54
I think they're best out the freezer and left in the shade for 24hrs. I don't do anything else with them. I'm not a fan of lots of glugs etc.
Bren987 Bren987
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Post #56 17 Aug 2020 16:23
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In reply to Post #55
Then just re freeze them?
Joe101
Posts: 1,102
Post #57 17 Aug 2020 22:02
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In reply to Post #56
If it's been 1 day/night then yes, if longer, I keep a big bag in the freezer for pre baiting.
mark100
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Post #58 18 Aug 2020 07:07
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In reply to Post #55
Agreed, not a fan of pimping freebies.

I've used Alantic Heat for a good few years and rate it highly, I actually like the hard balanced baits, they arrive quite dry and not very appealing, however add a bit of Cstim and Scent from hell and a few weeks later the hook baits are ready to rock.
Agree on pop-ups they arent very buoyant, however I think the attractors are superb and I've caught a lot of fish on them. I drill them out and add a a bit of cork, jobs a Goodun.
the888account the888account
Posts: 34
Post #59 18 Aug 2020 08:10
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In reply to Post #18
Switched to baitworks this season (Atlantic Heat). Been more than happy so far. Bait has always been good quality, I usually get shelf life as it's easier for me to use/store etc.

Quite like the Hot Fish Oil and C Stim. Are they a ground breaking new product - not really. Elsewhere does a spicy oil and the C Stim reminds me of the old Mainline CSL.

Not tried the pop ups but have the wafters, seem fine to me.

Every pop up/wafter I've ever tried is different quality wise to the bottom baits - Sticky, CC Moore...no different. I give them a dose of the oil a few days before a session - the hookbait for me is about releasing attraction vs a providing a delicious snack.

Results wise - as good as anyone else on the lake I'm fishing.

Just about to order more
carpchef carpchef
Posts: 290
Post #60 23 Aug 2020 10:32
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In reply to Post #1
my experience with the wafters; I like to have the hook on the deck, a longish supple hair, KD style and the wafter floating above it. I set this up and tested it in my kitchen sink at home....perfect, bang on!! Went for a short day session with said rig, six hours later I wound it in and dropped it in the margin to check still ok; wafter was no longer buoyant and was sitting on the deck, next to the hook. Not the presentation I was after and disappointing after only six hours (or even less, depending on when it gave up the ghost before I reeled in!).I like the Atlantic heat itself however I just buy the base mix and roll myself so cannot comment on the rolled baits...I do like that it does not require eggs and can be mixed with water (or other liquids/ingredients more to the point!) I am confident in the bait but have had to make alternative arrangements for hook baits (work in progress)
strawberryblond
Posts: 4,220
Post #61 15 Sep 2020 12:03
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In reply to Post #60
Awaiting delivery of some custom made AH wafters and pop ups, will let u know more once they've arrived and I've tested them
SPINBOWLER SPINBOWLER
Posts: 1,418
Post #62 15 Sep 2020 13:56
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In reply to Post #61
From where?
COSI
Posts: 493
Post #63 16 Sep 2020 17:12
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In reply to Post #21
the robin red around today is a completely different ingredient to what it was in the 70's
carpchef carpchef
Posts: 290
Post #64 19 Sep 2020 11:20
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In reply to Post #61
I would be interested to hear if you find a suitable alternative, I am not confident in the baitworks cork dust pop ups and after my experiences with the wafters I am just planning to use bottom baits and maybe a snowman with a small pop up that I have confidence in ....like northern specials or similar
laney72 laney72
Posts: 58
Post #65 23 Sep 2020 21:08
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In reply to Post #1
Used Baitworks for years never had any issues and highly recommended
strawberryblond
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Post #66 24 Sep 2020 17:37
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In reply to Post #64
Should be with me by middle of next week.
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