Just saw cyprinus new bivvy, looks pretty good, seems a shame everyone bought a typhoon then they release this, looks like a tempest again but a little higher i guess.
In reply to Post #1
I think it is just a copy of Tempest Composite with windows and vents
I think it is just a copy of Tempest Composite with windows and vents
In reply to Post #1
Will be a pile of **** like the overpriced typhoon!
Will be a pile of **** like the overpriced typhoon!
In reply to Post #3
i thought you were a Cyprinus fan?
i thought you were a Cyprinus fan?
In reply to Post #3
Just seen the price of the thing, taking the piss with that aren't they.
Just seen the price of the thing, taking the piss with that aren't they.
In reply to Post #5
I don't get it, what do you want a £600 bivvy for £200 that looks like a £900 bivvy.. un****ing believable, I think think these are good value tbh, a brolly man myself
I don't get it, what do you want a £600 bivvy for £200 that looks like a £900 bivvy.. un****ing believable, I think think these are good value tbh, a brolly man myself
In reply to Post #6
im a bit confused about the "dig" at price aswell
im a bit confused about the "dig" at price aswell
In reply to Post #7
Because it's not going to be Trakker spec etc, i'm talking about the Typhoon not the Storm by the way.
Fortunately i'm not too bothered about cost and i'll stick to my Mk2 Tempest.
You have to laugh at all the references to Trakker products, makes you wonder how they get away with it, not that it's illegal.
Because it's not going to be Trakker spec etc, i'm talking about the Typhoon not the Storm by the way.
Fortunately i'm not too bothered about cost and i'll stick to my Mk2 Tempest.
You have to laugh at all the references to Trakker products, makes you wonder how they get away with it, not that it's illegal.
In reply to Post #8
It's only got to keep the rain off your head ffs..
It's only got to keep the rain off your head ffs..
In reply to Post #8
Im curious ... what is better about Trakker spec? .... (i dont own Cyprinus but was under impression they were equal in terms of specification/material used etc)
Im curious ... what is better about Trakker spec? .... (i dont own Cyprinus but was under impression they were equal in terms of specification/material used etc)
In reply to Post #10
I'm not sure on this I had the aqua fast and light and my mate had the cyprinus version. My mates didn't look same quality. But for the price he paid compared to me he definitely got the better deal. This was when cyprinus 1st brung theres our tho
I'm not sure on this I had the aqua fast and light and my mate had the cyprinus version. My mates didn't look same quality. But for the price he paid compared to me he definitely got the better deal. This was when cyprinus 1st brung theres our tho
In reply to Post #9
I'm living in your head rent free tonight son
I'm living in your head rent free tonight son
In reply to Post #10
You've had enough bivvies, you should know.
You've had enough bivvies, you should know.
In reply to Post #11
They were identical. Mine even came in an aqua box.
I'm a bit confused about them taking the piss on the price? Seems to me it's a tempest composite with vents/ground sheet etc for £189. That seems like a bargain to me.
Both my cyprinus shelters are of equal quality to their Aqua equivalent but a fraction of the cost.
They were identical. Mine even came in an aqua box.
I'm a bit confused about them taking the piss on the price? Seems to me it's a tempest composite with vents/ground sheet etc for £189. That seems like a bargain to me.
Both my cyprinus shelters are of equal quality to their Aqua equivalent but a fraction of the cost.
In reply to Post #14
**** me this is difficult.
I'm talking about the TYPHOON not the Storm or anything else. Currently £449 on their website.
It looks a little like the Tempest BUT ITS NOT THE SAME!!
As stated it's not the same material, the mechanism that puts it up isn't the same , the manufacturers history and back up is NOT THE SAME.
It looks a decent copy but a little over priced based on the above .
**** me this is difficult.
I'm talking about the TYPHOON not the Storm or anything else. Currently £449 on their website.
It looks a little like the Tempest BUT ITS NOT THE SAME!!
As stated it's not the same material, the mechanism that puts it up isn't the same , the manufacturers history and back up is NOT THE SAME.
It looks a decent copy but a little over priced based on the above .
In reply to Post #16
Thank's Chuffy, now that is value for money.
Thank's Chuffy, now that is value for money.
In reply to Post #16
Copy of a JRC Bloxx to me, not as if it matters it's all Chinese anyway
Copy of a JRC Bloxx to me, not as if it matters it's all Chinese anyway
In reply to Post #17
trouble is these new shelters are al made in china and its any ones guess when it will actually be possible to buy one
trouble is these new shelters are al made in china and its any ones guess when it will actually be possible to buy one
Estimated back in stock date is a bit optimistic with the current situation
In reply to Post #20
Make sure you wash your hands after you put it up
Make sure you wash your hands after you put it up
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In reply to Post #16
Is that not just a Tempest copy?
They don't mess about those Chinese do they, deffo cutting out the middle man
Typical though, just when you think you can buy a tent for a reasonable price, all of a sudden they seem more expensive to me. When you scroll down, look at the price of the DPM one and the compact with wrap!
Think I paid around £200 for mine all in, cracking bit of kit for the money
Is that not just a Tempest copy?
They don't mess about those Chinese do they, deffo cutting out the middle man
Typical though, just when you think you can buy a tent for a reasonable price, all of a sudden they seem more expensive to me. When you scroll down, look at the price of the DPM one and the compact with wrap!
Think I paid around £200 for mine all in, cracking bit of kit for the money
Cyprinus have inflated there prices massively since people started buying more from them, may as well buy Trakker now.......
In reply to Post #24
This Chinese tackle wholesaler has some nice copies
http://www.bti-sports.com/productxx.asp?lmid=10&lbid=214
This Chinese tackle wholesaler has some nice copies
http://www.bti-sports.com/productxx.asp?lmid=10&lbid=214
In reply to Post #25
Not that bad, $55 dollars, what's that around £40 for a Trakker equivalent with their profit margins on!. Really brings home the rip off of a £600 tent
Think I might buy a load and sell some my self on the bay. Stick a Union Jack flag on and call them Chaqua or Chraker
Not that bad, $55 dollars, what's that around £40 for a Trakker equivalent with their profit margins on!. Really brings home the rip off of a £600 tent
Think I might buy a load and sell some my self on the bay. Stick a Union Jack flag on and call them Chaqua or Chraker
In reply to Post #26
Crazy isn't it lol.. like a back catalogue of most bivvy designs
Crazy isn't it lol.. like a back catalogue of most bivvy designs
In reply to Post #27
Yep, so much for 100% mark up!
We are all been ripped off and company's are milking the working man, that's the target audience, not the bank tramp, the people with money to spend. The popularity of the pastime, the commercialism and associated rip off opportunities has just created a situation beyond belief for me. I would stop buying Chinese today if I could but while all these middle men, sales company's, are peddling their crap i will try my best to bypass them before pay extremely over inflated prices. I hope they cancel out the middle men and the arse drops out of the market for them, greedy ****s. I don't have a problem with anybody making a profit but some of this is nothing more than an absolute rip off
And then look at what Cyprinus were selling them for in the U.K. with their profit margins on compared to “other” manufacturers, sometimes in the same box, from the same sweat shop
Yep, so much for 100% mark up!
We are all been ripped off and company's are milking the working man, that's the target audience, not the bank tramp, the people with money to spend. The popularity of the pastime, the commercialism and associated rip off opportunities has just created a situation beyond belief for me. I would stop buying Chinese today if I could but while all these middle men, sales company's, are peddling their crap i will try my best to bypass them before pay extremely over inflated prices. I hope they cancel out the middle men and the arse drops out of the market for them, greedy ****s. I don't have a problem with anybody making a profit but some of this is nothing more than an absolute rip off
And then look at what Cyprinus were selling them for in the U.K. with their profit margins on compared to “other” manufacturers, sometimes in the same box, from the same sweat shop
In reply to Post #28
Agreed , rip off Britain
Agreed , rip off Britain
Some of them are even using the Nash marketing images
I totallly agree with a lot of the comments on here that a lot of stuff sold by premium bivvy manufacturers is just sweat shop Far Eastern tat.
But here's the thing, let's say ESP for instance read this thread and decided to release a shelter that they guaranteed was 100% uk sourced and UK manufacturerd, put it was double the price of their existing shelters, how many people would pick the uk version.? Maybe they'd have to give the uk version a five year warranty to encourage sales?
But here's the thing, let's say ESP for instance read this thread and decided to release a shelter that they guaranteed was 100% uk sourced and UK manufacturerd, put it was double the price of their existing shelters, how many people would pick the uk version.? Maybe they'd have to give the uk version a five year warranty to encourage sales?
In reply to Post #32
In reality I dont think there is a big enough market of people that would pay the extra for a UK sourced and built products (metalware & rods might be the exception) ... im sure there will always be a small market though..
The likes of Cotswold is a good example. Understandably most people wont pay their prices, just because it is a UK company. It needs to be more than that. Very similar products have always been available elsewhere for fraction of the cost. But bring out something uniquely different and price becomes less of an issue. As an example I remember seeing their bag that sat over the front bar of a Carp-Porter for the first time. I thought it was a great idea and bought one immediately. Same as when i fist saw Keith's Defiant MPS Trident - Nothing else around at the time that was like it and i happily paid the price.
If any company wants to bring out a UK built bivvy, to succeed it needs to offer something different in design, its not enough to offer arguably better quality, UK badge on its own and try and charge a premium
In reality I dont think there is a big enough market of people that would pay the extra for a UK sourced and built products (metalware & rods might be the exception) ... im sure there will always be a small market though..
The likes of Cotswold is a good example. Understandably most people wont pay their prices, just because it is a UK company. It needs to be more than that. Very similar products have always been available elsewhere for fraction of the cost. But bring out something uniquely different and price becomes less of an issue. As an example I remember seeing their bag that sat over the front bar of a Carp-Porter for the first time. I thought it was a great idea and bought one immediately. Same as when i fist saw Keith's Defiant MPS Trident - Nothing else around at the time that was like it and i happily paid the price.
If any company wants to bring out a UK built bivvy, to succeed it needs to offer something different in design, its not enough to offer arguably better quality, UK badge on its own and try and charge a premium
In reply to Post #33
Im not so sure now. Times are changing with the current situation and we really shouldn't go back to such a throw away culture as before this current crisis.
I see an opportunity for man kind to change our selfish ways and stop this never ending merry go round of consumerism.
I for one would be quite happy to buy a quality product from a British manufacture as long as it would last me a good few years of wear and tear. Our problem at the moment is that we are paying over inflated prices for tat and having to replace it sooner than we like. We will get there one day for the sake of the planet. I really hope we do.
Im not so sure now. Times are changing with the current situation and we really shouldn't go back to such a throw away culture as before this current crisis.
I see an opportunity for man kind to change our selfish ways and stop this never ending merry go round of consumerism.
I for one would be quite happy to buy a quality product from a British manufacture as long as it would last me a good few years of wear and tear. Our problem at the moment is that we are paying over inflated prices for tat and having to replace it sooner than we like. We will get there one day for the sake of the planet. I really hope we do.
In reply to Post #34
Pretty much spot on there Phil – there's absolutely no reason why a British built Bivvy could be done, if who ever made produced one got back to old ways – Quality not quantity, value not cheap, longevity not time faults, pride not pure profit.................
No reason for one to be silly money either (As this Chinese stuff is) unless you wanted it to be - by going to another level in design/materials.
One of the biggest problems I could see would be lack of skills, I doubt anyone in any of the tackle companies have a miniscule clue how to mass produce a quality product anymore to high standards. Plenty of highly skilled accountants thou.
Pretty much spot on there Phil – there's absolutely no reason why a British built Bivvy could be done, if who ever made produced one got back to old ways – Quality not quantity, value not cheap, longevity not time faults, pride not pure profit.................
No reason for one to be silly money either (As this Chinese stuff is) unless you wanted it to be - by going to another level in design/materials.
One of the biggest problems I could see would be lack of skills, I doubt anyone in any of the tackle companies have a miniscule clue how to mass produce a quality product anymore to high standards. Plenty of highly skilled accountants thou.
In reply to Post #35
I agree. Build cost of a £600 tent is probably considerably less than £50. It's the tackle companies that are ripping us off.
A decent business in the Uk could definitely compete in the tent market, albeit at a lower (ie less greedy margin). Selling direct to the public, of course.
I agree. Build cost of a £600 tent is probably considerably less than £50. It's the tackle companies that are ripping us off.
A decent business in the Uk could definitely compete in the tent market, albeit at a lower (ie less greedy margin). Selling direct to the public, of course.
In reply to Post #34
Well said
Well said
In reply to Post #36
That's the problem though mate. I'm all for a UK brand but this is how it started. Custom or unique items get copied, made in the Far East for maximum profit, minimum input. All these sales company's, not manufacturers, with no factory, no overheads or wages and just ripping people off. I could understand say a 100% mark up, that's business but these are 900% and counting
What happens, a UK manufacturer comes out with a quality product and then a sales company promoting a “badge” goes to China, under cuts them by say 50% and still have a 500% profit margin, that's whats wrong.
Like I say, justice will be done when they all get bit in the arse and the Chinese are shipping direct to tackle shops or better still, the customer. Imagine that, UK distribution centre
What people REALLY need to understand is the fact that they are buying overpriced Chinese crap with a fancy badge on, heavily promoted as unique and something special in a sales pitch, or you can buy the exact same thing for a fraction of the price with no badge on, it's a no brainier for me until the market place and importation rules changed
That's the problem though mate. I'm all for a UK brand but this is how it started. Custom or unique items get copied, made in the Far East for maximum profit, minimum input. All these sales company's, not manufacturers, with no factory, no overheads or wages and just ripping people off. I could understand say a 100% mark up, that's business but these are 900% and counting
What happens, a UK manufacturer comes out with a quality product and then a sales company promoting a “badge” goes to China, under cuts them by say 50% and still have a 500% profit margin, that's whats wrong.
Like I say, justice will be done when they all get bit in the arse and the Chinese are shipping direct to tackle shops or better still, the customer. Imagine that, UK distribution centre
What people REALLY need to understand is the fact that they are buying overpriced Chinese crap with a fancy badge on, heavily promoted as unique and something special in a sales pitch, or you can buy the exact same thing for a fraction of the price with no badge on, it's a no brainier for me until the market place and importation rules changed
Nobody is ripping anyone off because no-one is forced to buy anything, there is plenty of choice and you can buy a bivvy for less than £100 if you wish There is no law against what mark up a company makes. There are many industries that make huge mark ups.
Of course there are going to be a few people sticking their hands up declaring their commitment to purchasing UK build .... but it is such a small demographic in the grand scheme of things. Outside of the angling bubble I am involved with various camping clubs, groups, pages etc and the cost of tents absolutely dwarfs a top end Tempest . Demand for UK built tents is virtually nil .... just not on people's radar.
Dont get me wrong I would love to see a UK build bivvy and something different on the market, but i would never commit to buying one unless there was a genuine advantage. People keep declaring what a great idea this and how there is an obvious market for it ............... Yet, no manufacturer or enthusiastic individual can be convinced to run with it and that speaks volumes.
Of course there are going to be a few people sticking their hands up declaring their commitment to purchasing UK build .... but it is such a small demographic in the grand scheme of things. Outside of the angling bubble I am involved with various camping clubs, groups, pages etc and the cost of tents absolutely dwarfs a top end Tempest . Demand for UK built tents is virtually nil .... just not on people's radar.
Dont get me wrong I would love to see a UK build bivvy and something different on the market, but i would never commit to buying one unless there was a genuine advantage. People keep declaring what a great idea this and how there is an obvious market for it ............... Yet, no manufacturer or enthusiastic individual can be convinced to run with it and that speaks volumes.
In reply to Post #39
Nobody is ripping anyone off because no-one is forced to buy anything
It's not about that for me. It's about the massive profit margins to the point we are now looking at £600 tents which true value is about £25 in material, labour and overhead costs!
Are you going to say it's fine when they are trying to charge us £1000 for something that true value is around £40! and then everybody else follows suit!
These sales people are also doing virtually nothing for the U.K. economy, that's another key point for me, what's your thoughts on that?
Like I say, minimum input and maximum output and once again the angler has to take it on the chin
Nobody is ripping anyone off because no-one is forced to buy anything
It's not about that for me. It's about the massive profit margins to the point we are now looking at £600 tents which true value is about £25 in material, labour and overhead costs!
Are you going to say it's fine when they are trying to charge us £1000 for something that true value is around £40! and then everybody else follows suit!
These sales people are also doing virtually nothing for the U.K. economy, that's another key point for me, what's your thoughts on that?
Like I say, minimum input and maximum output and once again the angler has to take it on the chin
In reply to Post #25
mrj Carter Thanks for putting that up 40 to 50 dollars for a tempest ridiculous what a rip off these tackle companies are
mrj Carter Thanks for putting that up 40 to 50 dollars for a tempest ridiculous what a rip off these tackle companies are
In reply to Post #40
I totally agree.
Firstly it IS a rip off.
Secondly I want as little as possible from China.
I totally agree.
Firstly it IS a rip off.
Secondly I want as little as possible from China.
In reply to Post #41
I'm now waiting for one of these numptys to do another embarrassing video trying to justify the design and cutting edge technology used in a few aluminium poles and fabric for a few free bits of tackle
I'm now waiting for one of these numptys to do another embarrassing video trying to justify the design and cutting edge technology used in a few aluminium poles and fabric for a few free bits of tackle
In reply to Post #40
Are you going to say it's fine when they are trying to charge us £1000 for something that true value is around £40! and then everybody else follows suit!
These sales people are also doing virtually nothing for the U.K. economy, that's another key point for me, what's your thoughts on that?
My thoughts are that if you don't like it, then dont pay it. That is a far more effective action than moaning about it on a forum
Are you going to say it's fine when they are trying to charge us £1000 for something that true value is around £40! and then everybody else follows suit!
These sales people are also doing virtually nothing for the U.K. economy, that's another key point for me, what's your thoughts on that?
My thoughts are that if you don't like it, then dont pay it. That is a far more effective action than moaning about it on a forum
In reply to Post #44
I thought the forum was a platform for public discussion?
What I like about it is the non biased views, more facts from users, real life, not fantasy. My thoughts are quite clear I guess. I stand by them
I thought the forum was a platform for public discussion?
What I like about it is the non biased views, more facts from users, real life, not fantasy. My thoughts are quite clear I guess. I stand by them
In reply to Post #40
I agree scozza well said
I agree scozza well said
In reply to Post #45
In this particular case talk is cheap and pretty pointless. If you are serious about change .... actions are what can make the difference
In this particular case talk is cheap and pretty pointless. If you are serious about change .... actions are what can make the difference
In reply to Post #47
I will make a world of difference sat here on my sofa
Like you say, talks cheap
I will make a world of difference sat here on my sofa
Like you say, talks cheap
In reply to Post #48
Are you going to say it's fine when they are trying to charge us £1000 for something that true value is around £40! and then everybody else follows suit!
These sales people are also doing virtually nothing for the U.K. economy, that's another key point for me, what's your thoughts on that?....
Hit the nail squarely on the head there mate well said
Are you going to say it's fine when they are trying to charge us £1000 for something that true value is around £40! and then everybody else follows suit!
These sales people are also doing virtually nothing for the U.K. economy, that's another key point for me, what's your thoughts on that?....
Hit the nail squarely on the head there mate well said
In reply to Post #49
To be fair it's not just Fishing Tackle it's all consumer products, most of it is made in factories for the minimum outlay possible then sold for the maximum they can get away with charging. It's called business and profit. The blatant copying of products is another discussion though, not sure how some of the Tackle companies get away with it really.
As has been said below it's easy enough to vote with your wallet and just don't buy it if you don't like it.
Haven't seen too many ideas from anyone either about a wonder product that they're going to come up with to satisfy the thirst for the British Designed and made Bivvy either... sounds like most are just waiting for someone else to do it...
To be fair it's not just Fishing Tackle it's all consumer products, most of it is made in factories for the minimum outlay possible then sold for the maximum they can get away with charging. It's called business and profit. The blatant copying of products is another discussion though, not sure how some of the Tackle companies get away with it really.
As has been said below it's easy enough to vote with your wallet and just don't buy it if you don't like it.
Haven't seen too many ideas from anyone either about a wonder product that they're going to come up with to satisfy the thirst for the British Designed and made Bivvy either... sounds like most are just waiting for someone else to do it...
In reply to Post #30
Wow. Makes you think. Having the bulls to stick a chunk of cash down could really pay off
Wow. Makes you think. Having the bulls to stick a chunk of cash down could really pay off
In reply to Post #51
Yep if 50 of us all chuck in 40 quid we can all have a tempest each. Result.
Yep if 50 of us all chuck in 40 quid we can all have a tempest each. Result.
Firstly ll start by saying I agree that most bivvys are over priced and we are getting our pants pulled down... But just looking at the current maufacturing price is a little short sighted....
Hypothetically speaking, I design an all singing and all dancing best bivvy ever which ticks every box you could imagine... This has cost me £xxxx pounds to design and develop ....I then purchase all the tooling etc to make said bivvy which then costs me further £xxxx .....I them can then make the bivvy for say £100 each cost to myself I then also have to add on the development costs of said bivvy and tooling costs and have to forecast how many I will sell before I am even breaking even..... Then some Far East company rips off my design and makes them so much cheaper as they have cheaper labour no design costs etc.... And I get told I'm ripping people off cos I'm charging more than the Far East company.......
Hypothetically speaking, I design an all singing and all dancing best bivvy ever which ticks every box you could imagine... This has cost me £xxxx pounds to design and develop ....I then purchase all the tooling etc to make said bivvy which then costs me further £xxxx .....I them can then make the bivvy for say £100 each cost to myself I then also have to add on the development costs of said bivvy and tooling costs and have to forecast how many I will sell before I am even breaking even..... Then some Far East company rips off my design and makes them so much cheaper as they have cheaper labour no design costs etc.... And I get told I'm ripping people off cos I'm charging more than the Far East company.......
In reply to Post #53
The Chinese have no respect for trademarks or intellectual property and have shown this time and again. Not just in fishing. I remember my first JRC bedchair cost over £90 in the eighties, but I still used it 25 years later. You can still get a bed hair for around £90 but won't last 25 years but slowly and surely the major companies in fishing have been cranking up prices between themselves as bedchairs and bivvies all appear around the same price so all appear good value 😡
If a company now stated none of our products come from China, and can prove it, will gain a lot more sales now and in the future. it might be sourced in the Far East but not China that's a plus in my book.
The Chinese have no respect for trademarks or intellectual property and have shown this time and again. Not just in fishing. I remember my first JRC bedchair cost over £90 in the eighties, but I still used it 25 years later. You can still get a bed hair for around £90 but won't last 25 years but slowly and surely the major companies in fishing have been cranking up prices between themselves as bedchairs and bivvies all appear around the same price so all appear good value 😡
If a company now stated none of our products come from China, and can prove it, will gain a lot more sales now and in the future. it might be sourced in the Far East but not China that's a plus in my book.
In reply to Post #54
I've still got a jrc bedchair mate brought in 1992 when they were first sold
I've still got a jrc bedchair mate brought in 1992 when they were first sold
In reply to Post #51
Funny as **** this thread 😂😂
What you describe is what Ridgemonkey, Bank Tackle and every other company already do out there.
You can't stop or change it, a generation are addicted to it, the internet, Ebay and Amazon 24/7 365 feeding an addiction, checkout and PayPal for your legal high👍
Funny as **** this thread 😂😂
What you describe is what Ridgemonkey, Bank Tackle and every other company already do out there.
You can't stop or change it, a generation are addicted to it, the internet, Ebay and Amazon 24/7 365 feeding an addiction, checkout and PayPal for your legal high👍
In reply to Post #56
You can't stop or change it, a generation are addicted to it
I think that's the nail on the head for me mate
Over the last 10 years this pastime has been promoted beyond belief and that's down to people driving the sales created from a false image that carp fishing is cool, the associated commercialism and mass produced must have products that go with this to the people pushing the product and doing the self promotion, look at me. This is everything what is wrong with this pastime and why there is so much bitterness because everybody wants a piece of the action, everybody wants to be famous, everybody now wants to be an authority on the pastime and scrounge a living out of it and once money is involved it becomes a totally different entity all together
Makes me wonder if some people forgot or do they really know why they go fishing?
Heres some feedback for them, fishing is a very personal and an individual preference. There ain't no rules, only the rules set by the angler himself. Do they ever sit back, think about it, and realise what a cock they look? and then they wonder why they get criticised!
The good news is I think we have passed the peak of the carp fishing boom for me. It's in a totally different era now, purely profits and cut throat. A lot of the pioneering companies who put us here have gone and a lot more will fold too sadly until it fizzles away for me
You can't stop or change it, a generation are addicted to it
I think that's the nail on the head for me mate
Over the last 10 years this pastime has been promoted beyond belief and that's down to people driving the sales created from a false image that carp fishing is cool, the associated commercialism and mass produced must have products that go with this to the people pushing the product and doing the self promotion, look at me. This is everything what is wrong with this pastime and why there is so much bitterness because everybody wants a piece of the action, everybody wants to be famous, everybody now wants to be an authority on the pastime and scrounge a living out of it and once money is involved it becomes a totally different entity all together
Makes me wonder if some people forgot or do they really know why they go fishing?
Heres some feedback for them, fishing is a very personal and an individual preference. There ain't no rules, only the rules set by the angler himself. Do they ever sit back, think about it, and realise what a cock they look? and then they wonder why they get criticised!
The good news is I think we have passed the peak of the carp fishing boom for me. It's in a totally different era now, purely profits and cut throat. A lot of the pioneering companies who put us here have gone and a lot more will fold too sadly until it fizzles away for me
In reply to Post #57
Bang on that 👍
I see more and more anglers who think having the best and latest gear and looking the part is more important than catching fish.
Each to his own.
Bang on that 👍
I see more and more anglers who think having the best and latest gear and looking the part is more important than catching fish.
Each to his own.
In reply to Post #58
You know John
It's about catching fish
The target is now catching anglers
You know John
It's about catching fish
The target is now catching anglers
In reply to Post #57
Spot on. Couldn't have put it better myself.
Spot on. Couldn't have put it better myself.
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