Gents,
I am fishing a new water that has a leader ban and as such all you can use is rig tubing or nothing at all. Whilst the water is very weedy, there are no snags to be concerned with and you can drop your rigs by hand from a boat. Given the weed, I have loaded up with 18lb Syncro XT which sinks like a brick, but I have never fished without a leader of some kind before.
I want to be able to drop the lead if a fish becomes stuck in the weed but am really struggling to find a lead arrangement that works to my satisfaction with rig tubing (ESP anchor tubing). Would you guys recommend going "naked" in this situation and if so, would you still feel comfortable using a lead clip arrangement on just on the mainline, or even an inline drop off set up? I am sure that it is juts a confidence thing, and we did catch fish before tubing and leadcore, but I have become so conditioned to always having a leader that to now set up without one feels very odd.
What do you guys think and is there something else I should be considering here instead?
Many thanks.
I am fishing a new water that has a leader ban and as such all you can use is rig tubing or nothing at all. Whilst the water is very weedy, there are no snags to be concerned with and you can drop your rigs by hand from a boat. Given the weed, I have loaded up with 18lb Syncro XT which sinks like a brick, but I have never fished without a leader of some kind before.
I want to be able to drop the lead if a fish becomes stuck in the weed but am really struggling to find a lead arrangement that works to my satisfaction with rig tubing (ESP anchor tubing). Would you guys recommend going "naked" in this situation and if so, would you still feel comfortable using a lead clip arrangement on just on the mainline, or even an inline drop off set up? I am sure that it is juts a confidence thing, and we did catch fish before tubing and leadcore, but I have become so conditioned to always having a leader that to now set up without one feels very odd.
What do you guys think and is there something else I should be considering here instead?
Many thanks.
In reply to Post #1
MCF Dumpers with Rig Marole braided tubing
MCF Dumpers with Rig Marole braided tubing
In reply to Post #1
Unless you're fishing over sharp gravel or mussels or using soft braided hooklinks you should be ok with just a leadclip and tail rubber.
Unless you're fishing over sharp gravel or mussels or using soft braided hooklinks you should be ok with just a leadclip and tail rubber.
In reply to Post #2
Sorry, forgot to add that no braid allowed including the tubing by Rig Marole.
Sorry, forgot to add that no braid allowed including the tubing by Rig Marole.
In reply to Post #4
Why on earth would they ban the braided tubing?
Why on earth would they ban the braided tubing?
In reply to Post #2
I like the look of those MCF dumper clips!
I like the look of those MCF dumper clips!
In reply to Post #5
I don't know but don't wish to rock the boat, so will abide accordingly.
I don't know but don't wish to rock the boat, so will abide accordingly.
If you have to dump the lead the MCF dumper clips are very good. The only time you loose the lead(normally) is with a fish on.
You mention using synchro it sinks like a brick. I use 20lb sensor when fishing in this way as it tends to be a bit more neutral and sits on top of the weed instead of sinking in. Cheap as chips and reliable as well.
You mention using synchro it sinks like a brick. I use 20lb sensor when fishing in this way as it tends to be a bit more neutral and sits on top of the weed instead of sinking in. Cheap as chips and reliable as well.
In reply to Post #7
You sure it's not the linkteq thats banned? Cant be the tubing surely? It's just tubing?
You sure it's not the linkteq thats banned? Cant be the tubing surely? It's just tubing?
In reply to Post #1
really you also should be thinking about the strain of carp your fishing for, if they are leathery fairly scaless types then no issues fishing Naked at all - but if they are scaley I'd reconsider as its very common to lift scales during the fight.
Years ago on Horseshoe it was banned to fish without tubing due to the high volume of scaley carp in the lake.
really you also should be thinking about the strain of carp your fishing for, if they are leathery fairly scaless types then no issues fishing Naked at all - but if they are scaley I'd reconsider as its very common to lift scales during the fight.
Years ago on Horseshoe it was banned to fish without tubing due to the high volume of scaley carp in the lake.
IME weed adheres to braided tubing better, on a few waters I fished it'd get a build up of drifting slime weed on it 1st which then helped it get trapped in Lilly stems. I always tried to fish over the weed/snags into the clear patches, I'd never have used a heavy sinking line in those situations.
In reply to Post #10
Well said. I'm surprised knowone had mentioned it already. From a fish safety point of view I'd use tubing
Well said. I'm surprised knowone had mentioned it already. From a fish safety point of view I'd use tubing
In reply to Post #1
Why does the tubing make any difference to the lead arrangement? Don't understand why if you're using a lead clip set-up the tubing does anything different to stop it working to your satisfaction? Sorry if I've missed something - just can't see why it's a problem...
Why does the tubing make any difference to the lead arrangement? Don't understand why if you're using a lead clip set-up the tubing does anything different to stop it working to your satisfaction? Sorry if I've missed something - just can't see why it's a problem...
I always use tubing for a fish safety point of view I don't want to lift any scales
In reply to Post #14
echo that - always use a length of tubing for some protection to the fish.
echo that - always use a length of tubing for some protection to the fish.
In reply to Post #4
Join a different syndicate
Join a different syndicate
In reply to Post #4
No but seriously, have you considered a tapered mainline? At the strong end its no different than using a fluorocarbon leader and touch wood as of yet I've not lifted any scales whilst use a high diamater fluoro-leader
No but seriously, have you considered a tapered mainline? At the strong end its no different than using a fluorocarbon leader and touch wood as of yet I've not lifted any scales whilst use a high diamater fluoro-leader
In reply to Post #14
Even when floater or zig rig fishing?
Even when floater or zig rig fishing?
In reply to Post #8
Sensor clear or the brown version? Pm if you'd rather not share.
I think “Carp safety” is an ethical question which each angler needs to resolve in their own mind. Or give up the sport and take up.... knitting? 😉
Sensor clear or the brown version? Pm if you'd rather not share.
I think “Carp safety” is an ethical question which each angler needs to resolve in their own mind. Or give up the sport and take up.... knitting? 😉
In reply to Post #18
No - but floater/zig fishing accounts for about 5-10pc of my fishing, so if I can do something 90pc of time that helps, sounds good to me.
No - but floater/zig fishing accounts for about 5-10pc of my fishing, so if I can do something 90pc of time that helps, sounds good to me.
In reply to Post #19
I use the brown sensor. Never tried the clear so can't comment on it.
I use the brown sensor. Never tried the clear so can't comment on it.
In reply to Post #21
Thanks Willyworms!
Btw I don't think matchmen use tubing, and they get to keep their carp in keepnets, tip the net into a weigh sling or similar device (like a trug for instance) and then tip them back in the lake.
Thanks Willyworms!
Btw I don't think matchmen use tubing, and they get to keep their carp in keepnets, tip the net into a weigh sling or similar device (like a trug for instance) and then tip them back in the lake.
In reply to Post #8
I really wanted to like the MCF dumpers - but had to give up with them in the end. If you're using a PVA bag its a nightmare with it dumping the lead on the cast. I tried using PVA tape and string to tie the lead on for the cast but still lost the lead on occasions, and I just lost confidence in them - i,e. not knowing if there was a lead attached to the rig or not.
These days I stick with a normal rubber, just pushed on, or trim back the plastic clip. More often than not the lead gets dropped on a take, but Ive never lost a lead on the cast.
I really wanted to like the MCF dumpers - but had to give up with them in the end. If you're using a PVA bag its a nightmare with it dumping the lead on the cast. I tried using PVA tape and string to tie the lead on for the cast but still lost the lead on occasions, and I just lost confidence in them - i,e. not knowing if there was a lead attached to the rig or not.
These days I stick with a normal rubber, just pushed on, or trim back the plastic clip. More often than not the lead gets dropped on a take, but Ive never lost a lead on the cast.
In reply to Post #12
I'll tell you why, because it's bull****. Do you fish off the top? Do you zig fish?
The lifting of scales happens far less than some would have you believe. Lots of bits in use today that only benefit those selling the stuff.
I'll tell you why, because it's bull****. Do you fish off the top? Do you zig fish?
The lifting of scales happens far less than some would have you believe. Lots of bits in use today that only benefit those selling the stuff.
In reply to Post #5
Yonny, it's probably because of the metal inner.
Yonny, it's probably because of the metal inner.
In reply to Post #23
Most clips lose the lead when using a PVA Bag unless you pva the clip to stop the lead coming off. Have you tried PVA tape? Might be better than PVA string.
Most clips lose the lead when using a PVA Bag unless you pva the clip to stop the lead coming off. Have you tried PVA tape? Might be better than PVA string.
the Nash tungsten 6mm tube beads work very well. I use them on esp tubing and they will come off..
In reply to Post #23
I do like the look of them but am concerned now about your pva bag comment. Was that using the original design or the newer version?
I do like the look of them but am concerned now about your pva bag comment. Was that using the original design or the newer version?
In reply to Post #2
I'm going to speak to the syndicate owner as i like the look of that Rig Morale braided tubing an can;t see what he wound have a problem with it.
I'm going to speak to the syndicate owner as i like the look of that Rig Morale braided tubing an can;t see what he wound have a problem with it.
In reply to Post #11
Fair point, never considered that.
Fair point, never considered that.
In reply to Post #16
It took long enough to get on this one!
It took long enough to get on this one!
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