Well. All I can say is that a viable, cheap, workable alternative needs to be available else that deadline won't work.
Currently the car manufacturers have nothing fit for purpose for the majority.
Currently the car manufacturers have nothing fit for purpose for the majority.
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Be interesting to see how it works for people who go from one end of the country to the other for work
Costs for customers will go up to male allowances for 4 or 5 stops to charge the car batteries.
It's unworkable imo until they get batteries that can go the whole length of the country on a single charge
Be interesting to see how it works for people who go from one end of the country to the other for work
Costs for customers will go up to male allowances for 4 or 5 stops to charge the car batteries.
It's unworkable imo until they get batteries that can go the whole length of the country on a single charge
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i'm in support of it but there is a huge amount to be done in terms of price, infrastructure etc.
currently the price of the cars is prohibitive, there's a huge disparity in the cost of electricity from public charge points compared to those who are lucky enough to be able to charge at home. then there's the issue of the disposal of the batteries which simply creates a new environmental problem.
but...
the big manufacturers and energy companies seem to be making their move and if we don't all change our thinking then the planet is screwed.
the right brains and the right joined up thinking applied to it could make the difference... hopefully
i can't afford one yet, but i'll be switching as soon as i can
i'm in support of it but there is a huge amount to be done in terms of price, infrastructure etc.
currently the price of the cars is prohibitive, there's a huge disparity in the cost of electricity from public charge points compared to those who are lucky enough to be able to charge at home. then there's the issue of the disposal of the batteries which simply creates a new environmental problem.
but...
the big manufacturers and energy companies seem to be making their move and if we don't all change our thinking then the planet is screwed.
the right brains and the right joined up thinking applied to it could make the difference... hopefully
i can't afford one yet, but i'll be switching as soon as i can
It's all well and good but what about the environmental impact on making the vehicles in the first place. Surely it would take tens of years if not hundreds of years to balance this out. Make public transport quicker less crowded and cheaper and more people would use it not just for travling to work but at weekends aswell with the family.
The biggest problem I see is charging points for said cars
Why don't the government if they are serious about this give builders a incentive to put a charging point in every single new build house ?
It's more difficult to do with flats but it's a start 👍👎
Why don't the government if they are serious about this give builders a incentive to put a charging point in every single new build house ?
It's more difficult to do with flats but it's a start 👍👎
When I first started using Stainless Steel around 25 years ago, there was a guy who was a bit of a boffin who worked at Blackburn Tek , who picked up stainless tubing for a project he was working on.
He converted a Peugeot 205 to run on Hydrogen (Water!) Got 70 miles off memory from a tank full, it started up on Petrol the spare electric current went into the 2nd sealed Water Tank via Electrodes I presume, osmosis started gas pressure built up, was directed down a 2nd Fuel line to a Butterfly valve, it flicked over from Petrol to Hydrogen – that simple! When it ran out of Hydrogen it automatically flicked back to Petrol.
There's an Island in Scotland where all the Cars where made by a student, run on Hydrogen, because he “Gave them away” not sold them, he can't be stopped by one of the big Car makers who own the Patent on guess what – Hydrogen Engine!
He converted a Peugeot 205 to run on Hydrogen (Water!) Got 70 miles off memory from a tank full, it started up on Petrol the spare electric current went into the 2nd sealed Water Tank via Electrodes I presume, osmosis started gas pressure built up, was directed down a 2nd Fuel line to a Butterfly valve, it flicked over from Petrol to Hydrogen – that simple! When it ran out of Hydrogen it automatically flicked back to Petrol.
There's an Island in Scotland where all the Cars where made by a student, run on Hydrogen, because he “Gave them away” not sold them, he can't be stopped by one of the big Car makers who own the Patent on guess what – Hydrogen Engine!
How are cars going to be charged if you haven't got a drive or you live in a tower block ??? In Paris a couple of years ago, I saw streets with charging points at the parking meters so you could park and charge at the same time
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That's a major part of the problem Jim.
My local supermarket has a row of spaces with chargers but the difference in cost for electricity compared to your home supply is huge.
But we have to try something. I'm hopeful. Look at how phones have developed over the last 15 years. If there's money to be made then someone will find solutions
That's a major part of the problem Jim.
My local supermarket has a row of spaces with chargers but the difference in cost for electricity compared to your home supply is huge.
But we have to try something. I'm hopeful. Look at how phones have developed over the last 15 years. If there's money to be made then someone will find solutions
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Hydrogen is the way I reckon.... there's a station up near Milton Keynes that makes its own Hydrogen by drawing the moisture out of the air and converting it, ready to use there, no tankers required and only water emitted
Hydrogen is the way I reckon.... there's a station up near Milton Keynes that makes its own Hydrogen by drawing the moisture out of the air and converting it, ready to use there, no tankers required and only water emitted
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I think people are looking at this in a narrow way, which is the norm In this country it seems lately.
You have to look at electric cars IN conjunction with autonomous driving systems. When you get home, send the vehicle to a charging station and order it back at the time you require it. You could rent it out whilst your not using it, Uber style without a driver. Investment and imagination from probably the Japanese, German's or USA will no doubt conquer the issues.
I think people are looking at this in a narrow way, which is the norm In this country it seems lately.
You have to look at electric cars IN conjunction with autonomous driving systems. When you get home, send the vehicle to a charging station and order it back at the time you require it. You could rent it out whilst your not using it, Uber style without a driver. Investment and imagination from probably the Japanese, German's or USA will no doubt conquer the issues.
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I believe
you don't own the batteries you only rent them so more costs on top
I believe
you don't own the batteries you only rent them so more costs on top
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And more non recyclable batteries in landfill...
I read somewhere once about farmers being able to run vehicles on the methane created from dung. Maybe an urban myth. Pity as there's always plenty of bulls*** to go around
And more non recyclable batteries in landfill...
I read somewhere once about farmers being able to run vehicles on the methane created from dung. Maybe an urban myth. Pity as there's always plenty of bulls*** to go around
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Well if you are to believe the environmentalists then cows/sheep are the cause of global warming so maybe there could be a way to convert the methane.
Well if you are to believe the environmentalists then cows/sheep are the cause of global warming so maybe there could be a way to convert the methane.
Long way to go for me before perfection, anyway, we have a decade or two 
Think Prius with a 5k battery
Think stop start technology, where's that gone. It's all a trade off
I looked at the data for the Mitsubishi Phev, claiming over 100miles per gallon, think it was near 170. Only does around 70 on a charge, suppose you could get the MPG if you drive 50 miles per day, have a charge, drive, have a charge...
Real genius takes place when things become a real necessity, in the meantime we will keep on playing
Think Prius with a 5k battery
Think stop start technology, where's that gone. It's all a trade off
I looked at the data for the Mitsubishi Phev, claiming over 100miles per gallon, think it was near 170. Only does around 70 on a charge, suppose you could get the MPG if you drive 50 miles per day, have a charge, drive, have a charge...
Real genius takes place when things become a real necessity, in the meantime we will keep on playing
This planet is going to die in several billion years when our Sun burns out , so what the heck lets just pre empt it and bring dooms day nearer .
VIVA Diesel for ever , well until the end.
VIVA Diesel for ever , well until the end.
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Don't think the Viva is available with a diesel engine, petrol only
Don't think the Viva is available with a diesel engine, petrol only
the day cars/motorbikes go all electric I'm cutting my licence in half..ive drove my mates Tesla and it **** the life out of me, very strange feeling..plus id never be seen driving a Prius..horrible things..also the amount of people walking about with their faces glued to a mobile phone screen, watch the rate of being run over rise...(edit). loud pipes save lives.
Use to work with a bloke that ran his LDV van on vegetable oil straight from the takeaway and filtered, I always thought you had to add a bit of white spirit to aid sparking, but he ran it neat and it went very well..... stunk a bit tho 😁
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Nissan Leaf start at £37,000. Can't afford that.
Also how come I never hear about electric lorry's. How much s hit do diesel lorry's produce and I bet they only get about 10 mpg.
Nissan Leaf start at £37,000. Can't afford that.
Also how come I never hear about electric lorry's. How much s hit do diesel lorry's produce and I bet they only get about 10 mpg.
dont forget this is only a ban on selling diesel and petrol cars not a ban on using them (yet!)
whats the average life span of a car? 10-15yrs so if the last diesel car is sold on the last day of 2034 they could still be around for many years after that.
However i do agree with all the posts below that the infrastructure and practicalities for electric cars need massive improvements for it to be a viable alternative for everyone.
whats going to happen to lorrys and buses?
boats and ferrys?
Air planes?
all of this will only increase the demand on our electricity supplies so expect to see investment in low carbon renewable electric sources and nuclear??
whats the average life span of a car? 10-15yrs so if the last diesel car is sold on the last day of 2034 they could still be around for many years after that.
However i do agree with all the posts below that the infrastructure and practicalities for electric cars need massive improvements for it to be a viable alternative for everyone.
whats going to happen to lorrys and buses?
boats and ferrys?
Air planes?
all of this will only increase the demand on our electricity supplies so expect to see investment in low carbon renewable electric sources and nuclear??
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Amen to that
Traded my GSXR in, Ducati Supersport S with twin Akrapovic for me this year, Isle of Man booked the lot
When it's electric only the petrol passion is gone, be like driving a noisy hoover
Bit like carp fishing for me / our generation, soulless
I got soul but I'm not a soldier...
Amen to that
Traded my GSXR in, Ducati Supersport S with twin Akrapovic for me this year, Isle of Man booked the lot
When it's electric only the petrol passion is gone, be like driving a noisy hoover
Bit like carp fishing for me / our generation, soulless
I got soul but I'm not a soldier...
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to many greta thumberg followers and snowflakes..the worlds gone nuts..
to many greta thumberg followers and snowflakes..the worlds gone nuts..
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Echo that mate, long live passion, without it we are nothing
Jetting, power pipes, racing reeds, flat out lol
Echo that mate, long live passion, without it we are nothing
Jetting, power pipes, racing reeds, flat out lol
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we will all be dead by coronavirus by then anyway so don't matter
we will all be dead by coronavirus by then anyway so don't matter
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Stronger strain of bird flu from them Chinks me thinks
Stronger strain of bird flu from them Chinks me thinks
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In my view we will need a few different solutions to our transport requirements. Obviously electric power works well for the city commute IF we have sufficient resources for the manufacture and generation.
I suspect hydrogen fuel cells and possibly ICE with alternative fuels will also have their part to play.
However the Coronavirus may be the best answer.
Bottom line is there are too many people on the planet.
In my view we will need a few different solutions to our transport requirements. Obviously electric power works well for the city commute IF we have sufficient resources for the manufacture and generation.
I suspect hydrogen fuel cells and possibly ICE with alternative fuels will also have their part to play.
However the Coronavirus may be the best answer.
Bottom line is there are too many people on the planet.
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I've watched a few Moto e races while I've been at Moto gp meetings,,yes they are fast,(sort of) but 5 laps thats it..and if they crash they are so heavy the bike cant be picked up.thats if it hasn't gone up in flames anyway
I've watched a few Moto e races while I've been at Moto gp meetings,,yes they are fast,(sort of) but 5 laps thats it..and if they crash they are so heavy the bike cant be picked up.thats if it hasn't gone up in flames anyway
In reply to Post #25
So, how many deaths outside of China are we seeing?
Mmmmmm.
When it hits and exceeds standard flu deaths it'll be time to worry.
So, how many deaths outside of China are we seeing?
Mmmmmm.
When it hits and exceeds standard flu deaths it'll be time to worry.
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im not worried,
im not worried,
Battery powered cars are not the answer. I read a article the other day that stated of renewable energy in the U.K the vast majority of 'renewable' comes from burning biomass, mostly wood and MSW.
Tesla has been saying for a while that there aren't enough producers of the minerals required to make the batteries and even if there were resources will run out very quickly. Government doesn't have the infrastructure to store what solar is available.
Biomass
Tesla
No doubt they'll find the best way to fleece us without charging us less than it costs now, probably by destroying the ocean floors and Antartic, obscene given the hydrogen alternative, guess we could always mine the moon.
Tesla has been saying for a while that there aren't enough producers of the minerals required to make the batteries and even if there were resources will run out very quickly. Government doesn't have the infrastructure to store what solar is available.
Biomass
Tesla
No doubt they'll find the best way to fleece us without charging us less than it costs now, probably by destroying the ocean floors and Antartic, obscene given the hydrogen alternative, guess we could always mine the moon.
In reply to Post #31
They're not the answer for sure if you're countries economy is proped up by oil
They're not the answer for sure if you're countries economy is proped up by oil
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As opposed to the Putin's, Ayatollahs, Sheikhs, South American dictators, Trump's and African puppets that want you to consume more fossil fuels?
As opposed to the Putin's, Ayatollahs, Sheikhs, South American dictators, Trump's and African puppets that want you to consume more fossil fuels?
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Biomass supply will be fine, plenty of wood available over the Atlantic.
When I was involved in sourcing biomass locally for a large boiler in Cornwall it became a problem at one point as large amounts were being transported to a power station in the east.
Biomass supply will be fine, plenty of wood available over the Atlantic.
When I was involved in sourcing biomass locally for a large boiler in Cornwall it became a problem at one point as large amounts were being transported to a power station in the east.
North west London nearly got it right 70 years ago, there were trolly buses (electric) that used the power from overhead cables, they were quick and quiet and didn't have that stink from the diesel engines, the big problem was.....they had to stick to the route where the cables ran.
That aside, I read that there is a town/city in Cornwall where all the buses are going to be electric, I can't remember where it is though, after 70 plus years my memory is getting ****.
That aside, I read that there is a town/city in Cornwall where all the buses are going to be electric, I can't remember where it is though, after 70 plus years my memory is getting ****.
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