Really struggling on my new synidate... it's a typical largish pit .
Lots of drop offs, from 5-6 to 30 and weedy... it's the soft weed so you can sometimes get a fairly decent thump / drop but a fish spy still shows a jungle.
I know a lot of the regulars get spots going with heavy baiting which is a option. I fish a lot of short sessions and my usual approach especially this time of year is bags / singles and chods.
If done fairly well with this on other lakes but just to add to head wreck the fish don't seem to show very much. It's also home to lots of bird life so this won't cut it I don't think.
Is the baiting heavy the only way? I guess I can get it done with pigeon conditioners etc? How long would this typically take?
Any help would be appreciated n
Lots of drop offs, from 5-6 to 30 and weedy... it's the soft weed so you can sometimes get a fairly decent thump / drop but a fish spy still shows a jungle.
I know a lot of the regulars get spots going with heavy baiting which is a option. I fish a lot of short sessions and my usual approach especially this time of year is bags / singles and chods.
If done fairly well with this on other lakes but just to add to head wreck the fish don't seem to show very much. It's also home to lots of bird life so this won't cut it I don't think.
Is the baiting heavy the only way? I guess I can get it done with pigeon conditioners etc? How long would this typically take?
Any help would be appreciated n
In reply to Post #1
Fish in the deep bit, the weed won't be down there and the birds won't get any bait. If they're not showing in the shallower water definitely worth doing.
Fish in the deep bit, the weed won't be down there and the birds won't get any bait. If they're not showing in the shallower water definitely worth doing.
In reply to Post #1
Have you not though about raking out some margin spots? I have done it on my syndicate and have had to stop throwing the rake as carp were coming in to see what was going on
you be surprised at how many people ignore the margins when you watch others fishing 
Have you not though about raking out some margin spots? I have done it on my syndicate and have had to stop throwing the rake as carp were coming in to see what was going on
you be surprised at how many people ignore the margins when you watch others fishing
How deep is the weed, can you fish a short zig or a long tail balanced bait to rest on top?
In reply to Post #4
Thanks for all the replies.... it does have weed in the deeps.
I'm defo going to try raking the margins. Also in regards to zigs they have crossed my mind but I guess I'd be looking at adjustable ones?
I've not had a load of experience with them but I'm sure I can figure them out
Thanks for all the replies.... it does have weed in the deeps.
I'm defo going to try raking the margins. Also in regards to zigs they have crossed my mind but I guess I'd be looking at adjustable ones?
I've not had a load of experience with them but I'm sure I can figure them out
My fishing buddy lives right next to an old,extremely deep quarry,full of snags,old machinery and so on..
He does the marginal raking,and creates his own areas ,but drop offs are so severe and sloping,he uses the washing line method.. and flattened leads...he is called Green giant on here,maybe pm him as he's got lots of experience of fishing immense deep quarry lakes
(his one special,as stocked by Peter Mohan)..
He does the marginal raking,and creates his own areas ,but drop offs are so severe and sloping,he uses the washing line method.. and flattened leads...he is called Green giant on here,maybe pm him as he's got lots of experience of fishing immense deep quarry lakes
(his one special,as stocked by Peter Mohan)..
In reply to Post #1
Don't worry about the depth, go for it mate.
It is their home and will know every bit of that environment, deep bits and all.
Try different deep spots, different areas, don't go mad on bait application, so you don't feel ‘guilty ‘ by moving onto showing fish or a different area.
I Would seriously look at the deeper areas, possibly less dense weed down there, as less sun light penetrating down to those depths.
The carp definitely would be under less pressure and danger of getting caught at those 25-30 foot depths, as most people haven't got the bottle to try it, and the confidence to persevere with it, feeling a lead down for ages !
More consistent water temperature as well, and would be a great bet night time through to mid morning or so, as the move up into the shallower, more known and preferred shallow parts of your pit as the sun warms them up, and be seen feeding and moving about.
Also be a great area to concentrate on from late autumn through into the winter and into the early spring.
As and when you can see them in the edge, then you can watch and learn where they seem happy enough to feed, and set a trap or two.
Good luck with it
Don't worry about the depth, go for it mate.
It is their home and will know every bit of that environment, deep bits and all.
Try different deep spots, different areas, don't go mad on bait application, so you don't feel ‘guilty ‘ by moving onto showing fish or a different area.
I Would seriously look at the deeper areas, possibly less dense weed down there, as less sun light penetrating down to those depths.
The carp definitely would be under less pressure and danger of getting caught at those 25-30 foot depths, as most people haven't got the bottle to try it, and the confidence to persevere with it, feeling a lead down for ages !
More consistent water temperature as well, and would be a great bet night time through to mid morning or so, as the move up into the shallower, more known and preferred shallow parts of your pit as the sun warms them up, and be seen feeding and moving about.
Also be a great area to concentrate on from late autumn through into the winter and into the early spring.
As and when you can see them in the edge, then you can watch and learn where they seem happy enough to feed, and set a trap or two.
Good luck with it
In reply to Post #7
Thanks for the replies and advice
Thanks for the replies and advice
In reply to Post #7
Good advice given here.
Myself have just got into a very special place,old pit...very deep in parts,proper history water..I am definitely going to give those deeper areas a good go...
Like said,it their home,so put a bait in/on it...and they'll find it...
👍
Good advice given here.
Myself have just got into a very special place,old pit...very deep in parts,proper history water..I am definitely going to give those deeper areas a good go...
Like said,it their home,so put a bait in/on it...and they'll find it...
👍
In reply to Post #9
I'm still struggling without a bite after maybe 8 nights.
I've been fishing in 20 foot on a nice clear spot I left on Sunday's afternoon and another angler went in and caught that night from that spot.
So I'm guessing I'm getting there!
Proper interesting water, scary when wading as it's crystal clear and the drop off is like the abyss.
Which brings me to ask for more advice... could I fish on the this slope?
Maybe gripper leads and a chod, I'm sure they follow this up and into the deep water.
I'm still struggling without a bite after maybe 8 nights.
I've been fishing in 20 foot on a nice clear spot I left on Sunday's afternoon and another angler went in and caught that night from that spot.
So I'm guessing I'm getting there!
Proper interesting water, scary when wading as it's crystal clear and the drop off is like the abyss.
Which brings me to ask for more advice... could I fish on the this slope?
Maybe gripper leads and a chod, I'm sure they follow this up and into the deep water.
In reply to Post #1
The deeper water will be very cold. What does your lead feel like, freezing?
Without know the water 100% a few pointers from me.
Deep waters in my experience they will spend a lot of time up in the water, they ain't going to sit in 4 degrees! It will also take a long time to warm up!
Zigs would be worth a try, floaters as it warms up. You might get 10 or 20 fish off the top or 5 or 6 off the deeper spots if you get my drift, don't know the stocking
Still a bit cool but as it warms up I would fish the margins on a night or the shallow spots out in the lake in the day and night
Weed = carp, it will be crawling with pond life so I would definitely fish on it on near it
Simple thing, who is catching, are they catching regular, where from (shallows, weed, depths) and on what
Deeper lakes always add another challenge imho especially when legering baits, like a third dimension, they are either down there or not.
The deeper water will be very cold. What does your lead feel like, freezing?
Without know the water 100% a few pointers from me.
Deep waters in my experience they will spend a lot of time up in the water, they ain't going to sit in 4 degrees! It will also take a long time to warm up!
Zigs would be worth a try, floaters as it warms up. You might get 10 or 20 fish off the top or 5 or 6 off the deeper spots if you get my drift, don't know the stocking
Still a bit cool but as it warms up I would fish the margins on a night or the shallow spots out in the lake in the day and night
Weed = carp, it will be crawling with pond life so I would definitely fish on it on near it
Simple thing, who is catching, are they catching regular, where from (shallows, weed, depths) and on what
Deeper lakes always add another challenge imho especially when legering baits, like a third dimension, they are either down there or not.
In reply to Post #10
could I fish on the this slope?
You can present a bait almost anywhere if you put your mind to it fella. Just keep your eyes peeled and fish for them where they like to be/feed.
could I fish on the this slope?
You can present a bait almost anywhere if you put your mind to it fella. Just keep your eyes peeled and fish for them where they like to be/feed.
In reply to Post #1
If you're only doing short sessions then finding the fish to begin with is the key in my experience. Spend some time watching the water and maybe talking to other anglers helps , you mentioned you have a fish spy , try and use it to locate some feeding spots and keep a note of their location , i.e. distance and line of sight , this way you can generate an idea of where the fish may be on a given day .
I used to fish an old quarry very deep but with lovely areas of 8-12ft , at this time of year I was catching most fish in the shallower spots only on short day sessions , I'd already found the clear shallow spots from previous sessions and knew if it was suitable weather conditions they'd be on them spots , I would usually just fish chods over a scattering of ‘sticked' out baits , I found the chod rigs were pretty instant on that particular venue don't know why , but did very well on them for a quick bite , if there are severe drop offs then try and get a bait on the top of the drop off , hope this helps
If you're only doing short sessions then finding the fish to begin with is the key in my experience. Spend some time watching the water and maybe talking to other anglers helps , you mentioned you have a fish spy , try and use it to locate some feeding spots and keep a note of their location , i.e. distance and line of sight , this way you can generate an idea of where the fish may be on a given day .
I used to fish an old quarry very deep but with lovely areas of 8-12ft , at this time of year I was catching most fish in the shallower spots only on short day sessions , I'd already found the clear shallow spots from previous sessions and knew if it was suitable weather conditions they'd be on them spots , I would usually just fish chods over a scattering of ‘sticked' out baits , I found the chod rigs were pretty instant on that particular venue don't know why , but did very well on them for a quick bite , if there are severe drop offs then try and get a bait on the top of the drop off , hope this helps
In reply to Post #1
Personally I don't have confidence with chod rigs that I haven't pulled them into the weed, even with slack lines, the weight of the mono as it takes on water can pull the whole shooting match into the green stuff.
Instead, if the weed isn't too thick (2 ft or less) I like to use a chod section fished like a hinge stiff but with a supple braid boom of 2 ft or so (depending on weed depth of course). Critically balance the chod section and use nuggets on the hook - the idea being once the nuggets have dissolved the hook section will gently settle on top of the weed.
To be honest if the weed is thicker than a couple of feet I don't like to fish in it and would prefer to try and find/create a clear area
Personally I don't have confidence with chod rigs that I haven't pulled them into the weed, even with slack lines, the weight of the mono as it takes on water can pull the whole shooting match into the green stuff.
Instead, if the weed isn't too thick (2 ft or less) I like to use a chod section fished like a hinge stiff but with a supple braid boom of 2 ft or so (depending on weed depth of course). Critically balance the chod section and use nuggets on the hook - the idea being once the nuggets have dissolved the hook section will gently settle on top of the weed.
To be honest if the weed is thicker than a couple of feet I don't like to fish in it and would prefer to try and find/create a clear area
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Hi mate,
I used to fish a sand quarry that went down to 40ft+, so I know what your going through. I found that an adjustable zig to be brilliant, especially pre spawning. I used to have two rods on it, working up from the bottom a ft at a time just off the marginal shelf, with them leapfrogging each other in depth every hour or so, until I found the fish.
After spawning, I liked to find one or two weed free spots and put a bit of spod mix down, or use a spread of boilies and fish a chod over the top. Ideally a naked chod, to keep it proud of the weed. If you are worried about it being dragged into the weed, even when fished naked, just set the top bead higher.
Don't ignore half boilies, as they flutter down and sit really nicely on the weed.
Make sure you get some seriously buoyant pop ups, because fishing at depth really messes with your pop ups! Proper Job MB's are the mutts nuts!!
Hi mate,
I used to fish a sand quarry that went down to 40ft+, so I know what your going through. I found that an adjustable zig to be brilliant, especially pre spawning. I used to have two rods on it, working up from the bottom a ft at a time just off the marginal shelf, with them leapfrogging each other in depth every hour or so, until I found the fish.
After spawning, I liked to find one or two weed free spots and put a bit of spod mix down, or use a spread of boilies and fish a chod over the top. Ideally a naked chod, to keep it proud of the weed. If you are worried about it being dragged into the weed, even when fished naked, just set the top bead higher.
Don't ignore half boilies, as they flutter down and sit really nicely on the weed.
Make sure you get some seriously buoyant pop ups, because fishing at depth really messes with your pop ups! Proper Job MB's are the mutts nuts!!
In reply to Post #1
What sort of pit is it, gravel, chalk etc?
Well worth fishing on the edges of drop-offs.
Stalking, floater fishing, zigs?
What sort of pit is it, gravel, chalk etc?
Well worth fishing on the edges of drop-offs.
Stalking, floater fishing, zigs?
In reply to Post #1
It's a gravel pit and reasonably stocked circa 150 fish.
I do a lot of piking so I've got some running booms which I could use for adjustable zigs, I take it you fish quite tight and have a lot of drag to help hooking?
It's a gravel pit and reasonably stocked circa 150 fish.
I do a lot of piking so I've got some running booms which I could use for adjustable zigs, I take it you fish quite tight and have a lot of drag to help hooking?
In reply to Post #15
Sounds like Astbury that I'm on now
Sounds like Astbury that I'm on now
In reply to Post #18
I couldn't possibly say! 😜
I couldn't possibly say! 😜
In reply to Post #19
Some nice fish coming out recently
Some nice fish coming out recently
In reply to Post #20
After 20 nights finally had absolute screamer on a solid bag.... got weeded up and lost it :( still it's a start
After 20 nights finally had absolute screamer on a solid bag.... got weeded up and lost it :( still it's a start
In reply to Post #21
Unlucky,keep at it...👍
Place Im on,only one fish out since march...I have had four bleeps,one massive roach,and a perch...but.....this place is worth it,beautiful,and a proper challenge..
'I have the key in the door,but not turned it, as yet !!
Unlucky,keep at it...👍
Place Im on,only one fish out since march...I have had four bleeps,one massive roach,and a perch...but.....this place is worth it,beautiful,and a proper challenge..
'I have the key in the door,but not turned it, as yet !!
Sounds tricky
A lot of syndicates are because they are natural and unspoiled, but that's what you want and what you joined for
Being a bit daunted at first is a good thing it means you are showing the lake respect
Just cos others are heavy baiting doesn't mean you have to follow the crowd. Have a really good chat with the bailiff and ignore what the others suggest at first as it's the bailiff who is important
It sounds obvious the bars are an issue, have you thought about float fishing a large float at range and keeping all the line on the surface? You could have a large mesh bag on and a drop off lead heli setup, then just fire freebies at the float
It will get tiresome watching the thing but will get you started while you gradually work things out, GL.
In reply to Post #21
Can I ask how you lost the fish mate?
Do they not have a boat there?
Can I ask how you lost the fish mate?
Do they not have a boat there?
In reply to Post #23
Sounds like good advice to me
Keep at it CPK, it will happen again, back at them
When you get one from a tough one it makes it all worthwhile
You know one spot and one method that works now
Sounds like good advice to me
Keep at it CPK, it will happen again, back at them
When you get one from a tough one it makes it all worthwhile
You know one spot and one method that works now
In reply to Post #25
Thanks mate
Float fishing is so underrated, almost forgotten about (and perfect for day sessions)
Those Polaris floats are great (if overpriced)
You can use any size lead on them and can get them in big chunky sizes which are easy to watch, and they set at the depth of the water, very clever things
Plus the bite registration is brilliant with a float - hard work in the wind but you can sink the rop tip and line, with a big float on, and get away with it in a stiff breeze
Thanks mate
Float fishing is so underrated, almost forgotten about (and perfect for day sessions)
Those Polaris floats are great (if overpriced)
You can use any size lead on them and can get them in big chunky sizes which are easy to watch, and they set at the depth of the water, very clever things
Plus the bite registration is brilliant with a float - hard work in the wind but you can sink the rop tip and line, with a big float on, and get away with it in a stiff breeze
In reply to Post #24
In reason to how I lost it, it toned off and was on for about 2 mins then it went solid. The fish then must of spit the hook. Yeah we do have boat. Next run I'm getting straight into it and fight it from
Above.
In reason to how I lost it, it toned off and was on for about 2 mins then it went solid. The fish then must of spit the hook. Yeah we do have boat. Next run I'm getting straight into it and fight it from
Above.
In reply to Post #27
That's the kiddy
Good luck mate
Maybe an idea just fish two or even one rod at first on a lake like that
When they get on it the last thing you need is crossing lines as well as weeded fish
My venue gets cramped and nightmarey at times just cos of the snags, it's a bit pokey and the margins are hairy. I've started using just two rods on there spread out miles apart from each other with only the butt ends near the bivvy
That's the kiddy
Good luck mate
Maybe an idea just fish two or even one rod at first on a lake like that
When they get on it the last thing you need is crossing lines as well as weeded fish
My venue gets cramped and nightmarey at times just cos of the snags, it's a bit pokey and the margins are hairy. I've started using just two rods on there spread out miles apart from each other with only the butt ends near the bivvy
In reply to Post #28
Lol 2 more runs today, the first snapped a wide gape 6 and the bend. The second spat the hook 12inches from the net.
I did hook and land a duck in 15 foot of water. (Safely retuned )
Lol 2 more runs today, the first snapped a wide gape 6 and the bend. The second spat the hook 12inches from the net.
I did hook and land a duck in 15 foot of water. (Safely retuned )
In reply to Post #29
Fish dont "spit the hook" chap. That's a hook pull, caused generally by a poor hook hold, or playing them way too hard (especially at short range)
Fish dont "spit the hook" chap. That's a hook pull, caused generally by a poor hook hold, or playing them way too hard (especially at short range)
In reply to Post #30
Nearly a year on and only 6 bites with non landed over probably 30. nights.
Still can't wait to get back to it! Some great advice I took on here. I was targeting a deep channel when I started getting pickups
Nearly a year on and only 6 bites with non landed over probably 30. nights.
Still can't wait to get back to it! Some great advice I took on here. I was targeting a deep channel when I started getting pickups
In reply to Post #31
Nice to hear an update. Sounds like they are not bites and fish mouthing the bait such as bream, beeps or possible small flicks on the line, liners , have you had screaming runs, can you feel a fish kicking, could you feel a hook pull?
How long is your rig and what are you using?
I will ask you a question mate. Are you going to do the same again this year? because if you are, I am been honest, expect much of the same
I have read the thread again and there is a lot of good advice.
My advice is the same, look for the shallower spots, bait them and fish them. Let me us know how you get on. Wish you all the luck possible
Key question, are there and have you actually seen carp in the venue?
What bait are you using?
PM if preferred
Nice to hear an update. Sounds like they are not bites and fish mouthing the bait such as bream, beeps or possible small flicks on the line, liners , have you had screaming runs, can you feel a fish kicking, could you feel a hook pull?
How long is your rig and what are you using?
I will ask you a question mate. Are you going to do the same again this year? because if you are, I am been honest, expect much of the same
I have read the thread again and there is a lot of good advice.
My advice is the same, look for the shallower spots, bait them and fish them. Let me us know how you get on. Wish you all the luck possible
Key question, are there and have you actually seen carp in the venue?
What bait are you using?
PM if preferred
In reply to Post #32
I was fishing solid bags... the lake only holds perch and carp.
It's renowned for a lot of lost fish due to the drop offs and weed. I'm going to get on the zigs this year along with the solids.
Standard bag set up 12mm pop up on a basic soft braid set up.
It will come I'm sure.
I was fishing solid bags... the lake only holds perch and carp.
It's renowned for a lot of lost fish due to the drop offs and weed. I'm going to get on the zigs this year along with the solids.
Standard bag set up 12mm pop up on a basic soft braid set up.
It will come I'm sure.
In reply to Post #33
Wish you all the best then
Wish you all the best then
In reply to Post #33
the lake only holds perch and carp
What do the Perch eat?
the lake only holds perch and carp
What do the Perch eat?
Small carp, you should see the size of the ‘kin perch though 😂
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