Whats the most effective setup in your opnion from rod to rig and hook bait....without using a chod rig?
13ft 3.75 Fox X5
Shimano black mags
26lb suffix
40lb fox submerge shock leader
30lb submerge 3ft leader
Leadclip
4oz lead
Ronnie rig no putty
14mm pop up
???
13ft 3.75 Fox X5
Shimano black mags
26lb suffix
40lb fox submerge shock leader
30lb submerge 3ft leader
Leadclip
4oz lead
Ronnie rig no putty
14mm pop up
???
In reply to Post #1
13ft treb lite
Silver mags
35lb braided leader
10lb pro clear
Helicopter set up with a 5oz distance lead and a Ronnie with a small (10-12mm) hookbail
Oh......and a casting lesson or 2
This is exactly what I use
13ft treb lite
Silver mags
35lb braided leader
10lb pro clear
Helicopter set up with a 5oz distance lead and a Ronnie with a small (10-12mm) hookbail
Oh......and a casting lesson or 2
This is exactly what I use
distance above all else...
Custom spod rod
Regular size big pit
Small rock hard solid bag
Custom spod rod
Regular size big pit
Small rock hard solid bag
In reply to Post #1
Boat.
Boat.
In reply to Post #1
The most effective without using a chod to guarantee to be fishing is a small 4oz - 5 oz compact solid bag.
Cast virtually as far as a lead..
Rods - the ones that enable you to generate the fastest lead / bag speed.
Reels - anything under 650g
Reels - to match te rod.
Lead - the one that best suits the rods ability to drive the maximum velocity.
Line - the thinner the better will get further but will snap easier.
Lead size will be commensurate to the rod.
Rig - up to use but see first point.
14mm pop up - not bad, 20mm will cast shorter, 10mm further..
Bottom baits - in both sizes no difference to casting
The most effective without using a chod to guarantee to be fishing is a small 4oz - 5 oz compact solid bag.
Cast virtually as far as a lead..
Rods - the ones that enable you to generate the fastest lead / bag speed.
Reels - anything under 650g
Reels - to match te rod.
Lead - the one that best suits the rods ability to drive the maximum velocity.
Line - the thinner the better will get further but will snap easier.
Lead size will be commensurate to the rod.
Rig - up to use but see first point.
14mm pop up - not bad, 20mm will cast shorter, 10mm further..
Bottom baits - in both sizes no difference to casting
In reply to Post #1
5oz lead, 50lb Armakord, 20lb Berkley Whiplash Crystal 0.06mm dia.
Tiny 8mm or 10mm baits, bigger the bait..more drag!
5oz lead, 50lb Armakord, 20lb Berkley Whiplash Crystal 0.06mm dia.
Tiny 8mm or 10mm baits, bigger the bait..more drag!
In reply to Post #4
Been a long time but I still have the rods.
Greys FX4 (should have got FX5)
Original Emblem spod reel
4.5/5oz lead, Helicopter rig
30lb amnesia leader
10lb mainline
Would have said braided mainline but never again, I like my index finger in 1 piece.
Been a long time but I still have the rods.
Greys FX4 (should have got FX5)
Original Emblem spod reel
4.5/5oz lead, Helicopter rig
30lb amnesia leader
10lb mainline
Would have said braided mainline but never again, I like my index finger in 1 piece.
In reply to Post #7
Did I sell you those rods ?
Did I sell you those rods ?
In reply to Post #8
If you sold them to me about 14 years ago maybe, now what are the odds
If you sold them to me about 14 years ago maybe, now what are the odds
In reply to Post #1
Casting Technique.
All the 'to the horizion' gear, is no good to any angler- without a well honed casting technique to match said tackle.
Casting Technique.
All the 'to the horizion' gear, is no good to any angler- without a well honed casting technique to match said tackle.
In reply to Post #9
Wow, I've been through some kit since then but always come back to daiwa rods and reels.
Wow, I've been through some kit since then but always come back to daiwa rods and reels.
In reply to Post #11
Got to be a wind up
Bought them for distance French fishing (boat work) but then took a break from fishing, still in new condition and still a hell of a rod
Got to be a wind up
Bought them for distance French fishing (boat work) but then took a break from fishing, still in new condition and still a hell of a rod
In reply to Post #5
any videos out there worth watching in setting up a long range pva bag rig?
Yes we all know technique and lessons will help. The post is about the setup not what can you do to help
any videos out there worth watching in setting up a long range pva bag rig?
Yes we all know technique and lessons will help. The post is about the setup not what can you do to help
Good technique and practise.
Your first few casts when actually fishing are warm ups rather than all out going for it. They help get your timing in and probably do save you a few muscle aches strains and pulls.
Believe it or not, casting distance wise, for me there is little difference between a 2.75 rod and a 3.25lb rod.
I can get the best out of the 2.75 with a 3oz lead, whereas I need to go up to 3.5 or even 4oz with the heavier test curve.
Rods and reels need to balance each other.
A good casting line is supple, not stiff, and a good diameter, but not so thin that crack-offs become a risk. If that means using a shock leader, then do it, but NOT in waters with weed and snags.
Rigs need to be short, long messy rigs reduce casting distance and nothing worse not knowing if you are tangled or not. You can put rigs inside PVA bag, fit PVA stringer, to reduce tangles, but those will cut down distance, especially if you get to the stage of 'overloading' rod. Or to keep tangles down go to stiffer hooklink materials, soft braids can be tangle city, unless you can feather it.
Helicopter set-ups maximum distance, but pendant set-ups with running leads may be safer on leaders.
Your first few casts when actually fishing are warm ups rather than all out going for it. They help get your timing in and probably do save you a few muscle aches strains and pulls.
Believe it or not, casting distance wise, for me there is little difference between a 2.75 rod and a 3.25lb rod.
I can get the best out of the 2.75 with a 3oz lead, whereas I need to go up to 3.5 or even 4oz with the heavier test curve.
Rods and reels need to balance each other.
A good casting line is supple, not stiff, and a good diameter, but not so thin that crack-offs become a risk. If that means using a shock leader, then do it, but NOT in waters with weed and snags.
Rigs need to be short, long messy rigs reduce casting distance and nothing worse not knowing if you are tangled or not. You can put rigs inside PVA bag, fit PVA stringer, to reduce tangles, but those will cut down distance, especially if you get to the stage of 'overloading' rod. Or to keep tangles down go to stiffer hooklink materials, soft braids can be tangle city, unless you can feather it.
Helicopter set-ups maximum distance, but pendant set-ups with running leads may be safer on leaders.
In reply to Post #14
True. If fishing big distance I'd take at least 3 casts to get there, wetting the spool each time the lead hits its mark and checking the leader for damage before any recasts. I've found wetting the spool very important, espesh if fishing with braid which can 'bed in' when drying out between sessions.
I'm not so sure about rods and reels needing any balance when all out distance is required, in fact the contrary, the weight should be below or around the pivot point like a trebuchet.
True. If fishing big distance I'd take at least 3 casts to get there, wetting the spool each time the lead hits its mark and checking the leader for damage before any recasts. I've found wetting the spool very important, espesh if fishing with braid which can 'bed in' when drying out between sessions.
I'm not so sure about rods and reels needing any balance when all out distance is required, in fact the contrary, the weight should be below or around the pivot point like a trebuchet.
In reply to Post #13
My choice would be.
13ft treb lite
Daiwa 6000T with weston line lay conversion.
4oz - 5oz lead.
Mainline / leader depends on if the venue is very weedy, or not, and any venue braid bans.
My choice would be.
13ft treb lite
Daiwa 6000T with weston line lay conversion.
4oz - 5oz lead.
Mainline / leader depends on if the venue is very weedy, or not, and any venue braid bans.
In reply to Post #16
Freespirit Hi S 200 13ft
Shimano Tech 10000XT
Fox tapered line (no crack offs)!
4oz tournament /Roger and Kerry lead (weight forward)
10 -12 mm bait to keep drag down.
Freespirit Hi S 200 13ft
Shimano Tech 10000XT
Fox tapered line (no crack offs)!
4oz tournament /Roger and Kerry lead (weight forward)
10 -12 mm bait to keep drag down.
In reply to Post #17
Gotta ask.......what's a roger and Kerry lead?
Gotta ask.......what's a roger and Kerry lead?
In reply to Post #19
Terry Edmonds cast 254 yards and didn't need any fancy rods or reel
Terry said: “To be the first person to officially record a 250-plus-yard overhead chuck is as good as it gets for me. I can now spend more time fishing without the need to strive for more distance. I believe at the moment this could be a world record, unless proved otherwise.”
Terry used 0.25mm mono main line with a 65lb braided leader, along with a Windcast reel and a 13ft Harrison spod rod, to achieve the distance. He added: “If somebody beats this in the future, good luck to them; I will be on the bank or teaching!
Pretty sure he would get a baited rig a fair way as well.
Terry Edmonds cast 254 yards and didn't need any fancy rods or reel
Terry said: “To be the first person to officially record a 250-plus-yard overhead chuck is as good as it gets for me. I can now spend more time fishing without the need to strive for more distance. I believe at the moment this could be a world record, unless proved otherwise.”
Terry used 0.25mm mono main line with a 65lb braided leader, along with a Windcast reel and a 13ft Harrison spod rod, to achieve the distance. He added: “If somebody beats this in the future, good luck to them; I will be on the bank or teaching!
Pretty sure he would get a baited rig a fair way as well.
In reply to Post #20
Imagine being able to put rigs out to 200 yards 🙈 crazy
Imagine being able to put rigs out to 200 yards 🙈 crazy
In reply to Post #20
Terry Edmonds cast 254 yards and didn't need any fancy rods or reel
So you'd class a 4.5 or 5lb rod as not being a fancy rod for distance fishing...hmm
Keep in mind that most 'distance' rods are up to 4lb I'm not sure there's a comparison to be made there!
Edit, on refection it does say absolute distance set up in title 👍
Terry Edmonds cast 254 yards and didn't need any fancy rods or reel
So you'd class a 4.5 or 5lb rod as not being a fancy rod for distance fishing...hmm
Keep in mind that most 'distance' rods are up to 4lb I'm not sure there's a comparison to be made there!
Edit, on refection it does say absolute distance set up in title 👍
In reply to Post #22
Hi Vossy
The point I was trying to get across was this;
Some of the setups mentioned in this thread for distance casting are in the region of £1k per rod and reel.
Terry didn't use a £300+ casting tool such as a Hi-S 200, Treb or Treb lite, nor a Basiar or Tech Mag. You can pick up a harrison spod rod reasonably cheaply and Daiwa Windcast QDA for less than £100.
Bonus is you could always use them for spod and marker work when you are not trying to cast to the horizon
Hi Vossy
The point I was trying to get across was this;
Some of the setups mentioned in this thread for distance casting are in the region of £1k per rod and reel.
Terry didn't use a £300+ casting tool such as a Hi-S 200, Treb or Treb lite, nor a Basiar or Tech Mag. You can pick up a harrison spod rod reasonably cheaply and Daiwa Windcast QDA for less than £100.
Bonus is you could always use them for spod and marker work when you are not trying to cast to the horizon
In reply to Post #23
know what you mean
Conversely I would say It would have been interesting to see what difference a Basia would have made to him if any.
I would go so far as to say very few people have T's ability and a Basia MAY add the extra few yards to make a difference.
know what you mean Conversely I would say It would have been interesting to see what difference a Basia would have made to him if any.
I would go so far as to say very few people have T's ability and a Basia MAY add the extra few yards to make a difference.
In reply to Post #22
I've said before, if all you want to do is fish at LONG range, you could buy 3 spod rods for the price of 1 high end rod. Granted, not a Harrison one. But a free spirit mrs is about 100 quid and 4lb or something, have seen these used and they're no more wooden than a 3.75 infinity... ****ing horrible to play a fish on, but so are a lot of other rods that cost 3 times as much
I've said before, if all you want to do is fish at LONG range, you could buy 3 spod rods for the price of 1 high end rod. Granted, not a Harrison one. But a free spirit mrs is about 100 quid and 4lb or something, have seen these used and they're no more wooden than a 3.75 infinity... ****ing horrible to play a fish on, but so are a lot of other rods that cost 3 times as much
In reply to Post #18
Roger and kerry lead -A style of lead made famous by the originators.
Roger and kerry lead -A style of lead made famous by the originators.
The Roger and Kerry lead is in my mind the same as the zip lead.
In reply to Post #27
Really.... as they are 2 completely different shaped leads.
Really.... as they are 2 completely different shaped leads.
LINK
Dont look like a distance lead to me? Maybe there are different types?
Dont look like a distance lead to me? Maybe there are different types?
In reply to Post #29
You are correct, they don't look the long range part compared to some designs.
Unless you are Terry Edmonds or Hutch, who can cast the most un-Aerodynamic leads shapes obsurd distances still.
At the top end, you are looking at tiny perecentage gains in areodynamics to break records.
Whether it is a Roger & Kerry, a Distance Casting, Distance Casting or a ball lead shape, It is all about a nice balance and comprimise between weight forward, Aerodynamics, very smooth finish and being the most stable in flight with minimal wobble for YOUR casting style.
I was make very aware of this very fact, during carpy banter over a curry, after a carp society meeting at Aquatels, back in the early 90's with some of the essex boys that fished over in Kent , and the one and only Alan Partridge was amongst them, who a long time after this, still using the same lead design, managed to convince Danny Fairbrass that his own lead shape now marketed as the Korda Distance Casting was better than the normal Tournament Casting/zipp shape.
Tiny Percentages, push the boundries. The rest is history.
You are correct, they don't look the long range part compared to some designs.
Unless you are Terry Edmonds or Hutch, who can cast the most un-Aerodynamic leads shapes obsurd distances still.
At the top end, you are looking at tiny perecentage gains in areodynamics to break records.
Whether it is a Roger & Kerry, a Distance Casting, Distance Casting or a ball lead shape, It is all about a nice balance and comprimise between weight forward, Aerodynamics, very smooth finish and being the most stable in flight with minimal wobble for YOUR casting style.
I was make very aware of this very fact, during carpy banter over a curry, after a carp society meeting at Aquatels, back in the early 90's with some of the essex boys that fished over in Kent , and the one and only Alan Partridge was amongst them, who a long time after this, still using the same lead design, managed to convince Danny Fairbrass that his own lead shape now marketed as the Korda Distance Casting was better than the normal Tournament Casting/zipp shape.
Tiny Percentages, push the boundries. The rest is history.
Oops my mistake.
In reply to Post #30
I agree with most of that, although I would argue that ballistics also plays a part.
Round ball bullets don't travel as smoothly or as straight as a conical or pointed bullet, so it is with leads. Mind you in casting we don't have rifling on the barrel, so leads are more affected by wind as they have no additional spin to reduce wind push.
There is a but in that ballistics theory though and that is we are creating a wobble or even turn around with the lead. The line (run ring, or lead clip) is what creates the force as we cast, then it turns round in flight, with lead going nose forward.
I agree with most of that, although I would argue that ballistics also plays a part.
Round ball bullets don't travel as smoothly or as straight as a conical or pointed bullet, so it is with leads. Mind you in casting we don't have rifling on the barrel, so leads are more affected by wind as they have no additional spin to reduce wind push.
There is a but in that ballistics theory though and that is we are creating a wobble or even turn around with the lead. The line (run ring, or lead clip) is what creates the force as we cast, then it turns round in flight, with lead going nose forward.
In reply to Post #32
Yes bullets are pointed, and they spin on their bullet path, or ballistic trajectory.
But they don't have anywhere near the amount of initial 'wobble' & drag and resistance that a casted lead does - namely a thick shock leader/mainline attached behind it,being affected by possible, windy conditions.
Great Technique and release point is key - We all know that casting at 45 degrees gives maximum height/distance.
Smaller hookbaits create less drag.
Shorter hooklinks cast further than long ones, again less drag.
Shortest, and safest, shockleader to a thin mainline, ideally braid, as it creates least resistance.
All in all it is just finding out what work best for each of us individual anglers, rules permitting, for getting that maximum distance, as and when required.
Yes bullets are pointed, and they spin on their bullet path, or ballistic trajectory.
But they don't have anywhere near the amount of initial 'wobble' & drag and resistance that a casted lead does - namely a thick shock leader/mainline attached behind it,being affected by possible, windy conditions.
Great Technique and release point is key - We all know that casting at 45 degrees gives maximum height/distance.
Smaller hookbaits create less drag.
Shorter hooklinks cast further than long ones, again less drag.
Shortest, and safest, shockleader to a thin mainline, ideally braid, as it creates least resistance.
All in all it is just finding out what work best for each of us individual anglers, rules permitting, for getting that maximum distance, as and when required.
In reply to Post #23
It wasn't any bog standard Harrison spod rod bud, it was the 13ft Trebuchet spod mate, so as specialised as it gets really.
It wasn't any bog standard Harrison spod rod bud, it was the 13ft Trebuchet spod mate, so as specialised as it gets really.
In reply to Post #34
Some really interesting posts below...
I am currently looking at getting a rod purely for the benefit of practicing my distance casting. I live abroad close to the beach, no carp fishing locally so want to practice casting when I have some spare time....
Can anyone comment on the benefits of the Trebechet vs Lite versions? I understand the Lite is a bit easier to compress vs the standard Trebechet but for someone who is looking to work on maximum distance would anyone recommend any other rods?
Cheers
Some really interesting posts below...
I am currently looking at getting a rod purely for the benefit of practicing my distance casting. I live abroad close to the beach, no carp fishing locally so want to practice casting when I have some spare time....
Can anyone comment on the benefits of the Trebechet vs Lite versions? I understand the Lite is a bit easier to compress vs the standard Trebechet but for someone who is looking to work on maximum distance would anyone recommend any other rods?
Cheers
In reply to Post #35
Free Spirit Hi-S 200....is also a distance beast, capable of +200yrds in the right hands.
Free Spirit Hi-S 200....is also a distance beast, capable of +200yrds in the right hands.
In reply to Post #35
Fox Horizon x5 13 ft
Sonik dominator x 13 ft.
Shimano intensitie 13 ft
Free spirit ctx 13 ft
Daiwa infinity x45 13 ft
Century c2-d 13 ft
The list is never ending almost all modern carp rods with a bit of backbone will cast huge distances, the weak point is the Angler not the gear.
All those rods above will cast 165 yds + some can be had for £90 some £550 + it really is up to you to decide on where your cash goes,mine went middle of the road rods ( Shimano tx 9 ) and ive had 2 casting lessons.
Went from a maximum cast of 130yds with a good wind to casting 160yds into a head wind with a baited chod rig, i think the £200 ive spent on casting tuition was better value than buying the more expensive rods and just hoping they added yards.
Fox Horizon x5 13 ft
Sonik dominator x 13 ft.
Shimano intensitie 13 ft
Free spirit ctx 13 ft
Daiwa infinity x45 13 ft
Century c2-d 13 ft
The list is never ending almost all modern carp rods with a bit of backbone will cast huge distances, the weak point is the Angler not the gear.
All those rods above will cast 165 yds + some can be had for £90 some £550 + it really is up to you to decide on where your cash goes,mine went middle of the road rods ( Shimano tx 9 ) and ive had 2 casting lessons.
Went from a maximum cast of 130yds with a good wind to casting 160yds into a head wind with a baited chod rig, i think the £200 ive spent on casting tuition was better value than buying the more expensive rods and just hoping they added yards.
In reply to Post #37
Cheers lads, that gives me something to go on. Fully intend on doing a lesson with Terry once I get some time!
Cheers lads, that gives me something to go on. Fully intend on doing a lesson with Terry once I get some time!
In reply to Post #37
I use c2d's and they are fantastic rods
my mate also uses them and is a lot better at casting then me and puts a bait 190 plus
I did a bit with hutchy casting the ctx's and was well impressed with them to be fair
also terry Edmonds is getting great distances with the shimano range although he could cast a chopstick 160 lol
I use c2d's and they are fantastic rods
my mate also uses them and is a lot better at casting then me and puts a bait 190 plus
I did a bit with hutchy casting the ctx's and was well impressed with them to be fair
also terry Edmonds is getting great distances with the shimano range although he could cast a chopstick 160 lol
Very much depends on the individual imo.
Thing I don't get is I can cast my 4.5TC FS Spod rod miles but when it comes to fishing rods my limit is a Torrix TE, I lose distance going up to bigger rods like Treb lights. never quite worked that one out.
Thing I don't get is I can cast my 4.5TC FS Spod rod miles but when it comes to fishing rods my limit is a Torrix TE, I lose distance going up to bigger rods like Treb lights. never quite worked that one out.
In reply to Post #40
I found going down in lead size helped with my casting,i did the lessons ect and was hitting 160 for a while but found when I went down from 5 to 4 ounce I was able to move the rod quicker
I found going down in lead size helped with my casting,i did the lessons ect and was hitting 160 for a while but found when I went down from 5 to 4 ounce I was able to move the rod quicker
In reply to Post #41
yeah same I can get further with 3.5 than 4.0.
that said my limit is about 145 yards with a baited rig and TE.
yeah same I can get further with 3.5 than 4.0.
that said my limit is about 145 yards with a baited rig and TE.
In reply to Post #42
still a decent cast mate
I can never really be bothered to go to a field to practice and its one of those things you need practice with
annoyingly a mate of mine just picks up the rod and beasts it silly distances with no real technique
still a decent cast mate
I can never really be bothered to go to a field to practice and its one of those things you need practice with
annoyingly a mate of mine just picks up the rod and beasts it silly distances with no real technique
In reply to Post #43
cheers I think most can do that with correct technique but you need a bit more talent to reach 170-180. I know a few who can and they make it look effortless.
cheers I think most can do that with correct technique but you need a bit more talent to reach 170-180. I know a few who can and they make it look effortless.
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