This is very interesting , does anyone know if the Solar Polaris mix has this in as i have been using this myself , i was lead to believe it contained ground up cork 
Depending on the reply i will post something else
Depending on the reply i will post something else
In reply to Post #1000
1/ Do you realise how small these are ? Less than 10 thousandths millimeter .
right lads a couple of things to take note of
1-)
10 microns as sized above is the is the sort of size that becomes "respirable dust" meaning that you inhale all dust but at that size the dust gets past all the mucus and swirling in your airways and gets into the lungs.
when you breathe out you do not have the volume or speed of airflow to exhale the dust and it just floats about until it settles on the lung walls.
2-)
the lungs can deal with all but 2 containments by the bodies defence system (macrophages) which is basically a scavenge organism which deals with containments ( stop smoking and the lungs clean themselves within 5 - 10 years etc)
the body cannot deal with ASBESTOS FIBRES AND SILICA DUST
Glass dust — or silica dust, to be more specific (quick and dirty link sorry), this is what is being used at present with very little control.
Just remember how wonderful Asbestos was all those years ago, just like DDT etc
If you are going to use spheres get some decent respirator protection and don't forget your family in the surrounding area as a large proportion of death related to Asbestos where the families of the workers
Just take care of yourself and loved ones
1/ Do you realise how small these are ? Less than 10 thousandths millimeter .
right lads a couple of things to take note of
1-)
10 microns as sized above is the is the sort of size that becomes "respirable dust" meaning that you inhale all dust but at that size the dust gets past all the mucus and swirling in your airways and gets into the lungs.
when you breathe out you do not have the volume or speed of airflow to exhale the dust and it just floats about until it settles on the lung walls.
2-)
the lungs can deal with all but 2 containments by the bodies defence system (macrophages) which is basically a scavenge organism which deals with containments ( stop smoking and the lungs clean themselves within 5 - 10 years etc)
the body cannot deal with ASBESTOS FIBRES AND SILICA DUST
Glass dust — or silica dust, to be more specific (quick and dirty link sorry), this is what is being used at present with very little control.
Just remember how wonderful Asbestos was all those years ago, just like DDT etc
If you are going to use spheres get some decent respirator protection and don't forget your family in the surrounding area as a large proportion of death related to Asbestos where the families of the workers
Just take care of yourself and loved ones
The data sheet talks about them being less than 200 microns. This is not small - in fact in my industry this is very large.
I'm sure you have heard about nano-technology and nano-particles. The EU is currently defining what constitutes a nano-particle, it's likely to be 50-100nm. Once this size is reached, the particles take on additional toxicological risk vs larger particles due to their small size.
200microns is 2000 times the size of a 100nm particle.
You are putting much smaller particles on your skin if using zinc sunblocks!
Don't get me wrong, you should certainly be using a mask when using them as you should really with any dust and the tips on not creating dusts are very valid. A build up in your lungs is one thing, potentially one asbestos particle can cause cancer!
The comparisons with asbestos are however inappropriate (the main issue with asbestos is their thin needle shape, these are "large" balls) and have no technical merit.
I'm sure you have heard about nano-technology and nano-particles. The EU is currently defining what constitutes a nano-particle, it's likely to be 50-100nm. Once this size is reached, the particles take on additional toxicological risk vs larger particles due to their small size.
200microns is 2000 times the size of a 100nm particle.
You are putting much smaller particles on your skin if using zinc sunblocks!
Don't get me wrong, you should certainly be using a mask when using them as you should really with any dust and the tips on not creating dusts are very valid. A build up in your lungs is one thing, potentially one asbestos particle can cause cancer!
The comparisons with asbestos are however inappropriate (the main issue with asbestos is their thin needle shape, these are "large" balls) and have no technical merit.
In reply to Post #18
I think the point being mate, is the majority of guys who make there own bait dont have a PHD in chemistry
I appreciate that in some fields the "Micros" and "Nanos" arent considered to be large particals but to emphasise the point to your average angler they should be treated as so.
I think the point being mate, is the majority of guys who make there own bait dont have a PHD in chemistry
I appreciate that in some fields the "Micros" and "Nanos" arent considered to be large particals but to emphasise the point to your average angler they should be treated as so.
In reply to Post #19
Agree, safety first!!!!
Don't want to get too technical. Use a good dust mask as you really should with any dust, but don't think of them as asbestos.
Agree, safety first!!!!
Don't want to get too technical. Use a good dust mask as you really should with any dust, but don't think of them as asbestos.
In reply to Post #20
Based on on posts so far, this thread merits a sticky .Always better safe than sorry 
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Based on on posts so far, this thread merits a sticky
.Always better safe than sorry .
In reply to Post #18
The comparisons with asbestos are however a joke
i only compared silica dust particles with asbestos fibres as these are the things the lungs cannot do anything with except encapsulate
The comparisons with asbestos are however a joke
i only compared silica dust particles with asbestos fibres as these are the things the lungs cannot do anything with except encapsulate
MDF another material made up almost the same as Asbestos.
In reply to Post #23
Whats wrong with cork dusk, i mean its not brain surgery
Whats wrong with cork dusk, i mean its not brain surgery
In reply to Post #24
In reply to Post #25
I was getting at that its not difficult to add pop up mix or cork dusk to make pop ups
I was getting at that its not difficult to add pop up mix or cork dusk to make pop ups
In reply to Post #2
Shouldn't pop up mixes from all the bait companies have a warning labels on them?
Same beads we are being warned about here!
Shouldn't pop up mixes from all the bait companies have a warning labels on them?
Same beads we are being warned about here!
Been away for a while so only just picked up on this 
When mixing any base mix in reasonable quantities wear a face mask. Some 'traditional' milk powders are also very fine and can cause problems in the lungs with long term exposure. I know of at least one bait maker that gave up for health reasons which are suspected to have been caused by long term eposure to milk powders.
If you are making the odd batch of pop-ups a few times a month you have nothing to worry about. If you make 10Kg mixes, 5 days a week, 47 weeks a year then you should take more care.
Microspheres are used in all sorts of different industries including in food for human consumption
. They are also used in various hobbies including model making and other composite using hobbies like kit cars, boats etc and have been for many years. They can be made from different materials (I have some plastic ones sent as a sample....when heated they expand to 10 times the original volume, stick them in a boilie and the results is errrr messy to say the least!) and filled with different gas or even no gas.
MSDS information is often alarming as it has to talk about 'worst case' and 'high volume' exposure. I am not saying ignore the danger but short of snorting the stuff daily it will do none of us hobbie bait makers any harm IMHO
Does this really need to be a sticky? If it was a genuine risk then OK but its not.
When mixing any base mix in reasonable quantities wear a face mask. Some 'traditional' milk powders are also very fine and can cause problems in the lungs with long term exposure. I know of at least one bait maker that gave up for health reasons which are suspected to have been caused by long term eposure to milk powders.
If you are making the odd batch of pop-ups a few times a month you have nothing to worry about. If you make 10Kg mixes, 5 days a week, 47 weeks a year then you should take more care.
Microspheres are used in all sorts of different industries including in food for human consumption
. They are also used in various hobbies including model making and other composite using hobbies like kit cars, boats etc and have been for many years. They can be made from different materials (I have some plastic ones sent as a sample....when heated they expand to 10 times the original volume, stick them in a boilie and the results is errrr messy to say the least!) and filled with different gas or even no gas.MSDS information is often alarming as it has to talk about 'worst case' and 'high volume' exposure. I am not saying ignore the danger but short of snorting the stuff daily it will do none of us hobbie bait makers any harm IMHO
Does this really need to be a sticky? If it was a genuine risk then OK but its not.
In reply to Post #28
Well put Peter.
Keith, small is not a problem until they become so small that they get into different parts of the body that other particles don't. These are not that small to be considered in that class.
All dusts should be considered problematic. Even hardwood dusts from normal machining can be carcinogenic.
Well put Peter.
Keith, small is not a problem until they become so small that they get into different parts of the body that other particles don't. These are not that small to be considered in that class.
All dusts should be considered problematic. Even hardwood dusts from normal machining can be carcinogenic.
In reply to Post #13
Amazing what you can cut and paste these days!!!
Amazing what you can cut and paste these days!!!