As per the title, what does make peanuts so addictive for carp? I've been fishing a local club water using 2 rods, 1 on nuts and the other on my own boilies (decent birdfood) and the nut rod is doing probably 80% of my fish. I always thought lipids but the boilie has a good fat profile, can it be purely down to the taste?
In reply to Post #1
I'd rather have people not talking about this:D
Nah, got some peanut stories as well, also in the winter, but no idea why.
I'd rather have people not talking about this:D
Nah, got some peanut stories as well, also in the winter, but no idea why.
In reply to Post #1
I always think when they first are used on waters where they are hardly used they always do brilliantly but not forever, the fish must realise in the end they have no benefit to them.
I always think when they first are used on waters where they are hardly used they always do brilliantly but not forever, the fish must realise in the end they have no benefit to them.
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The lack of nutrition is a myth, cultivated by those in the angling press who had business interests in a fledgling HNV ingredient and boilie company.
The lack of nutrition is a myth, cultivated by those in the angling press who had business interests in a fledgling HNV ingredient and boilie company.
In reply to Post #4
I don't agree. A peanut is never going to compete with a specialist feed pellet or high protein boilie.
If you just fed fish peanuts they certainly wouldn't grow very big or live very long possibly.
I don't agree. A peanut is never going to compete with a specialist feed pellet or high protein boilie.
If you just fed fish peanuts they certainly wouldn't grow very big or live very long possibly.
In reply to Post #5
Your post says eating peanuts has no benefit to them. That is not true. There is nutritional value in a peanut.
Whether or not a pellet or boilie is better is a different point.
Your post says eating peanuts has no benefit to them. That is not true. There is nutritional value in a peanut.
Whether or not a pellet or boilie is better is a different point.
In reply to Post #6
The only nutrition they can use is that that is on the surface of the peanut, whether whole or crushed.
Peanuts are not digested, they do not get broken down in the stomach (or system as carp have no stomach), they pass almost directly through the intestine and straight out.
They also contain enzyme inhibitors and are actually anti-nutritional.
Sadly peanuts can actually be addictive, in fish, and humans.
The only nutrition they can use is that that is on the surface of the peanut, whether whole or crushed.
Peanuts are not digested, they do not get broken down in the stomach (or system as carp have no stomach), they pass almost directly through the intestine and straight out.
They also contain enzyme inhibitors and are actually anti-nutritional.
Sadly peanuts can actually be addictive, in fish, and humans.
In reply to Post #7
Let me guess, you used Nutrabaits in the early days?!
Let me guess, you used Nutrabaits in the early days?!
I'm under no illusion that peanuts aren't great for the carp but you can't deny the effectiveness.
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This is the exact case. I'm the 1st to use them on the lake and yes they are very very effective
This is the exact case. I'm the 1st to use them on the lake and yes they are very very effective
In reply to Post #8
Are you saying Tim Paisley lied to us all...
Carp love peanuts, and if we didn't give a toss about their welfare then we'd all be using them.
Trouble is, there is documented evidence of fish losing condition and becoming malnourished on them.
Enter the peanut ban and the fish recovered their condition.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trypsin_inhibitor
Are you saying Tim Paisley lied to us all...
Carp love peanuts, and if we didn't give a toss about their welfare then we'd all be using them.
Trouble is, there is documented evidence of fish losing condition and becoming malnourished on them.
Enter the peanut ban and the fish recovered their condition.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trypsin_inhibitor
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Never...
It's not as simple as peanuts inhibit trypsin, peanuts are therefore ‘anti-nutritional' and harmful to carp.
Eggs, soya beans, chick peas, some seeds and cereals contain trypsin inhibitors. Does that make every boiled bait bound with eggs or containing soya flour or pigeon conditioner and Vitalin anti nutritional?
Trypsin is one of several digestive enzymes produced by the carp. It acts on proteins, but peanuts are only 30% protein.. Do we believe that the carbohydrate, lipids, vitamins, minerals etc in a peanut are then of no benefit?
I'm not saying that a peanut is a fully rounded nutritional meal for a carp. But the ‘anti-nutritional' stuff based on trypsin inhibitors is very questionable.
Never...
It's not as simple as peanuts inhibit trypsin, peanuts are therefore ‘anti-nutritional' and harmful to carp.
Eggs, soya beans, chick peas, some seeds and cereals contain trypsin inhibitors. Does that make every boiled bait bound with eggs or containing soya flour or pigeon conditioner and Vitalin anti nutritional?
Trypsin is one of several digestive enzymes produced by the carp. It acts on proteins, but peanuts are only 30% protein.. Do we believe that the carbohydrate, lipids, vitamins, minerals etc in a peanut are then of no benefit?
I'm not saying that a peanut is a fully rounded nutritional meal for a carp. But the ‘anti-nutritional' stuff based on trypsin inhibitors is very questionable.
In reply to Post #11
When they were eating solely peanuts and no other bait was being used. I find it very hard to believe that you'd find any venue nowadays where only peanuts were used by anglers in large quantities.
Also find it hard to believe that peanuts are less nutritional than some of the cheap boilies being sold nowadays too.
Some people live in the dark ages they really do. The documented evidence was on lakes where anglers were only using peanuts and piling in loads of them, sacks at a time even. Trying to say that means peanuts are bad for carp is ridiculous. It's like saying all fats are bad for humans, which isn't true, because people are obese when they eat bad fats constantly and don't exercise.
When they were eating solely peanuts and no other bait was being used. I find it very hard to believe that you'd find any venue nowadays where only peanuts were used by anglers in large quantities.
Also find it hard to believe that peanuts are less nutritional than some of the cheap boilies being sold nowadays too.
Some people live in the dark ages they really do. The documented evidence was on lakes where anglers were only using peanuts and piling in loads of them, sacks at a time even. Trying to say that means peanuts are bad for carp is ridiculous. It's like saying all fats are bad for humans, which isn't true, because people are obese when they eat bad fats constantly and don't exercise.
In reply to Post #12
Boilies don't come out as they went in, and in the ingredients you mentioned, because of the heat treatment, the grinding of the ingredients, and/or conversion into flour, the trypsin inhibitors are made inactive, the boilie can be broken down, it can be digested.
The lack of nutrition provided to carp by peanuts is not questionable, it happened, the trypsin inhibitors are fact. A study proved that in peanuts heat treatment did not reduce the effects of the inhibitors, in fact it actually enhanced it, whereas in soya these TI's can be reduced to levels low enough for the bean to be digested.
Quite definitely waters which became 'peanut dependant', the carp suffered losses and health issues.
I did have a scientific study paper on the health issues caused by peanuts, where carp were eating them in preference over the (limited) natural food.
Boilies don't come out as they went in, and in the ingredients you mentioned, because of the heat treatment, the grinding of the ingredients, and/or conversion into flour, the trypsin inhibitors are made inactive, the boilie can be broken down, it can be digested.
The lack of nutrition provided to carp by peanuts is not questionable, it happened, the trypsin inhibitors are fact. A study proved that in peanuts heat treatment did not reduce the effects of the inhibitors, in fact it actually enhanced it, whereas in soya these TI's can be reduced to levels low enough for the bean to be digested.
Quite definitely waters which became 'peanut dependant', the carp suffered losses and health issues.
I did have a scientific study paper on the health issues caused by peanuts, where carp were eating them in preference over the (limited) natural food.
In reply to Post #14
You're missing the point Nick. Trypsin acts on protein. There is more to a peanut than protein. What about lipase and amylase?
You're missing the point Nick. Trypsin acts on protein. There is more to a peanut than protein. What about lipase and amylase?