So, I've been wondering about this for quite some times now and thought I'd ask it on here, I'll give it a go at explaining it in the best way I can. ( Probably won't turn out very well ) lol
General situation: If you're fishing peg x,y,z you need to be fishing in spots x,y,z if you want to be in with a chance of a bite. (Spots x,y,z are all 16+ wraps for eg)
From the front of the swim to the spots there is obviously a vast amount of water and potentially margins too with different bottoms throughout.
I was just wondering why do some people think this way, do they believe the carp won't feed or swim in any other area of the swim/lake?
If there is a nice area a single rods length out is that to be ignored over a similar spot x amount of wraps out just because it is x amount of wraps out?
If there is a baited spot 15 yards out do people think they won't feed on it because it's not the "go to" area?
This isn't a dig at anybodies angling, I'm just curious as to what people thing about finding spots or where fish will / won't feed etc.
My personal opinion is if you find a nice area and bait it with either prebait or hook bait a fish or multiple will eventually come across it and feed.
General situation: If you're fishing peg x,y,z you need to be fishing in spots x,y,z if you want to be in with a chance of a bite. (Spots x,y,z are all 16+ wraps for eg)
From the front of the swim to the spots there is obviously a vast amount of water and potentially margins too with different bottoms throughout.
I was just wondering why do some people think this way, do they believe the carp won't feed or swim in any other area of the swim/lake?
If there is a nice area a single rods length out is that to be ignored over a similar spot x amount of wraps out just because it is x amount of wraps out?
If there is a baited spot 15 yards out do people think they won't feed on it because it's not the "go to" area?
This isn't a dig at anybodies angling, I'm just curious as to what people thing about finding spots or where fish will / won't feed etc.
My personal opinion is if you find a nice area and bait it with either prebait or hook bait a fish or multiple will eventually come across it and feed.
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I'm similar to you, less obsessed about specific spots and more about being in the right area and presenting well. Clearly there will be spots that they love to feed, but I'd say there is a better chance of finding those through observation than leading around (not possible on all waters clearly).
I like Adam Pennings column in Carpology for that reason, he clearly puts a huge effort into observation and finding the fish. Then is comfortable to fish in that area and feel for a reasonable drop rather than needing to find a perfect spot.
I'm similar to you, less obsessed about specific spots and more about being in the right area and presenting well. Clearly there will be spots that they love to feed, but I'd say there is a better chance of finding those through observation than leading around (not possible on all waters clearly).
I like Adam Pennings column in Carpology for that reason, he clearly puts a huge effort into observation and finding the fish. Then is comfortable to fish in that area and feel for a reasonable drop rather than needing to find a perfect spot.
I generally think that if they can swim there, they can get caught there!
"Don't ignore the margins...." etc etc
"Don't ignore the margins...." etc etc
In reply to Post #1
Sheep!
Spots are created by anglers (the ones you can't see with the human eye anyway)
One man finds a spot, gravel, smooth, rock hard or a gravel/silt meeting point take your pick.
He baits up and catches, turns out its X wrapps, he tells a mate, he fishes it, keeps the bait going in and he tells a mate, rinse and repeat over and over until a few blanks or the next new spot becomes the next new kiddy in that swim.
Spots blow for different reasons but keep the bait going in on any part of the lake you can present on you'll catch, one yard out or a hundred and one.
Creating your own spot is the way to go.
Sheep!
Spots are created by anglers (the ones you can't see with the human eye anyway)
One man finds a spot, gravel, smooth, rock hard or a gravel/silt meeting point take your pick.
He baits up and catches, turns out its X wrapps, he tells a mate, he fishes it, keeps the bait going in and he tells a mate, rinse and repeat over and over until a few blanks or the next new spot becomes the next new kiddy in that swim.
Spots blow for different reasons but keep the bait going in on any part of the lake you can present on you'll catch, one yard out or a hundred and one.
Creating your own spot is the way to go.
I have on more than one occasion fished lakes where the bigger fish are caught more often from areas further from the bank. Not that they aren't occasionally caught close in, but that is the exception rather than the rule. I put it down to angling pressure and the amount of lines going through the water. I expect they have been pushed there due to many anglers turning up and wanting to cast to the horizon. I would always fish a margin rod where good presentation allows, mainly because my biggest ever fish was caught barely three rod lengths from the bank.
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I have thought the same but when you know you know. Jim shelley for example, on waveney valley....c lake I think....most would struggle, he knew, put ya bait there and you will catch, a spot is a spot some are 5yards out some are so many yards out.
I have thought the same but when you know you know. Jim shelley for example, on waveney valley....c lake I think....most would struggle, he knew, put ya bait there and you will catch, a spot is a spot some are 5yards out some are so many yards out.
In reply to Post #1
Fishing can be pretty random if we're honest. We get so little feedback and have so little knowledge of where our rigs are actually sitting and how the fish are interacting with our rig, with our bait and with the lake in general. Surface fishing is about the only time you can truly know if the carp are feeding and how they're reacting to your rig.
Otherwise we only know if fish are there if we happen to catch one. Most people like to cast out some way, so that's where most rigs are, and therefore where most people catch. If everyone only fished the margins I'm sure that's where most people would catch.
I'm fishing a silty and featureless lake at the moment, it's almost impossible to work out if you're in a good area or not based on feeling a drop or from using a marker. It's just trial, error and hopefully some attractive baiting to find where they are/bring them to me. Maybe by the end of the season I'll figure it out a bit more.
Fishing can be pretty random if we're honest. We get so little feedback and have so little knowledge of where our rigs are actually sitting and how the fish are interacting with our rig, with our bait and with the lake in general. Surface fishing is about the only time you can truly know if the carp are feeding and how they're reacting to your rig.
Otherwise we only know if fish are there if we happen to catch one. Most people like to cast out some way, so that's where most rigs are, and therefore where most people catch. If everyone only fished the margins I'm sure that's where most people would catch.
I'm fishing a silty and featureless lake at the moment, it's almost impossible to work out if you're in a good area or not based on feeling a drop or from using a marker. It's just trial, error and hopefully some attractive baiting to find where they are/bring them to me. Maybe by the end of the season I'll figure it out a bit more.
In reply to Post #1
If they are the only spots being fished they are the only spots people will catch from. But fish will eat on other spots. I've never known a lake were you can only pick up fish from certain spots there can be spots better then others. But I would try something different might be slow to begin with but you might find the new spot
If they are the only spots being fished they are the only spots people will catch from. But fish will eat on other spots. I've never known a lake were you can only pick up fish from certain spots there can be spots better then others. But I would try something different might be slow to begin with but you might find the new spot
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Not every inch of a lake will produce. Some areas the carp may avoid feeding on (usually stinking black silt), whereas some may be temporary and some permanent.
Some spots may down to ease of presentation, like gravel bars.
Everyone may know every gravel bar, so everyone and his dog baits up and fishes the gravel. It is usually easier to present a bait nicely on gravel. Gravel bars tend to run at a set distance across the lake, say 40metres, or 11wraps, everyone fishes 11wraps.
They may ignore the trough between bars, where food drops.
Islands are obvious spots again, the corner or island margin is again obvious at 11wraps.
Then we have the perpetuating spot, anglers pass on information to each angler.
Anglers don't seem to think for themselves anymore, they follow each other, or Mr. Korda, Mr. Penning, Mr. Shelley etc.
Fishing the same spot at 11 wraps is easier than finding a better or new spot.
Not every inch of a lake will produce. Some areas the carp may avoid feeding on (usually stinking black silt), whereas some may be temporary and some permanent.
Some spots may down to ease of presentation, like gravel bars.
Everyone may know every gravel bar, so everyone and his dog baits up and fishes the gravel. It is usually easier to present a bait nicely on gravel. Gravel bars tend to run at a set distance across the lake, say 40metres, or 11wraps, everyone fishes 11wraps.
They may ignore the trough between bars, where food drops.
Islands are obvious spots again, the corner or island margin is again obvious at 11wraps.
Then we have the perpetuating spot, anglers pass on information to each angler.
Anglers don't seem to think for themselves anymore, they follow each other, or Mr. Korda, Mr. Penning, Mr. Shelley etc.
Fishing the same spot at 11 wraps is easier than finding a better or new spot.
If I understand the question right - I sort of agree.
In an open lake or reservoir then I believe most spots are equal - I am obsessed with line lays into the chosen spots and do find some are certainly fish better from different swims angles. I don't buy into ‘dustbin' lid spots and almost find myself avoiding the known ones.
What I am a massive believer in is margin spots, be it near, far or islands. So much of my fishing is done like this and there are certainly spots that can be 4 feet away that just don't produce. There are other spots that the drop off fishes but tight doesn't. I have put in some ridiculous casts to overhangs etc that just sit there and yet a few feet right or left and it's away.
I would imagine if you pulled the plu there would be an obvious reason. Open water spots - not really for me - as for bait boat lakes - I'd avoid at all costs.
In an open lake or reservoir then I believe most spots are equal - I am obsessed with line lays into the chosen spots and do find some are certainly fish better from different swims angles. I don't buy into ‘dustbin' lid spots and almost find myself avoiding the known ones.
What I am a massive believer in is margin spots, be it near, far or islands. So much of my fishing is done like this and there are certainly spots that can be 4 feet away that just don't produce. There are other spots that the drop off fishes but tight doesn't. I have put in some ridiculous casts to overhangs etc that just sit there and yet a few feet right or left and it's away.
I would imagine if you pulled the plu there would be an obvious reason. Open water spots - not really for me - as for bait boat lakes - I'd avoid at all costs.