Has any one used this as a bait soak ? I've read posts about using it to help create fermented maize something I'll be doing a lot of this year.
But just wondered if it would have much impact soaking boilies.
But just wondered if it would have much impact soaking boilies.
In reply to Post #1
I'm pretty sure if you leave boilies soaking in it it makes them rock hard. Good for hookbaits, bit not so great for loose feed.
I'm pretty sure if you leave boilies soaking in it it makes them rock hard. Good for hookbaits, bit not so great for loose feed.
Majorly sticky, I don't know how well it would soak in standard form, particularly if you've saturated with fructose powder.
If you diluted with water it might be workable.
If you diluted with water it might be workable.
Yea was thinking maybe make up a 50/50 mix with warm or hot water.
With the fermented maize can you make up larger batches and freeze ? Or best to use fresh as you go on
With the fermented maize can you make up larger batches and freeze ? Or best to use fresh as you go on
In reply to Post #4
I was told fresh not frozen was the way to go with fermented maize (its somewhere in the thread regarding fermented maize). I generally make up batches as and when I need it.
Michael
I was told fresh not frozen was the way to go with fermented maize (its somewhere in the thread regarding fermented maize). I generally make up batches as and when I need it.
Michael
In reply to Post #1
No good as a bait soak mate. It's a very simple sugar that works very well as food for bacteria when fermenting particles. If you are thinking of utilising this as a bait soak for boilies after what I wrote on this forum yesterday... Keep it much simpler.
There is a product that goes by two names, it is either called Equimins 'Liquid Gold' or Equimins liquid 'garlic extract'. Both are the same thing. A very concentrated liquid garlic extract, that can be fed to horses daily.
It costs around £6-8 per litre bottle and can be purchased from any equine store or feed supplier. It's water based and ideal as a simple bait soak mixed with water. Take a couple of kilo of your favourite freezer baits out of the freezer the day before you are due to go angling and place them in a bucket to defrost. Give them a small slurp of good hemp oil, or a peanut oil from the supermarket. A very thing coat is all that is required. The baits will soak the oil up as they defrost. Allow the baits to come up to room temperature, so they are completely dry on the outside and have sucked up all of the oil. When they are dry, boil the kettle. Fill a coffee mug up half way with hot, but not boiling, pre boiled water from the kettle. Add a couple of table spoons of Equimins and stir. At this point you could also maybe add a table spoon of sugar or honey. Stir it all up and pour it over the now defrosted boilies. Keep shaking them for the rest of the day until they have absorbed all of the water evenly. It will take hours for that water to actually reach the centre of the boilie and spread through out the bait.
The amount of water used, has to be judged by yourself for your purposes. What you are looking to achieve, is to fill those boilies with water, with no water left in the bucket at all. You are not washing out anything from your expensive freezer baits. You are just adding some water, and unlocking those egg bound balls. You can turn those baits into nigh on mush with too much water and Equimins. But with the right amount of water, the baits can be easily squished between fingers... But still remain firm enough to still be able to use in a throwing stick, with more of a looping motion to avoid splitting. (They go absolutely miles). You can catapult them miles too, because they are far heavier. They will last in the bucket for two days maximum before they go rank. Don't prepare too many at a time for this reason. When those baits are sitting there in the bucket sodden, mother nature is starting to get to work immediately. Food, water & air in the bucket, magic starts to happen. The breakdown that starts to occur on the outside of the baits, is very attractive to a carp.
Why are you doing this, what's the point? Because you have now made your freezer baits into a form where they are super attractive to a carp, the very instant you put them into the water. No waiting for your rock hard boilies to get some water transfer, so the carp can properly sense the food content. All of your food signals and any attractors from inside your favourite boilies are now more unlocked by the water you added...They are still inside your sodden boilies. Now though, their taste will flood out of the baits like a bomb going off, water transfer will occur virtually instantly. Every fish within a vast distance will taste your garlic infused bait through the water, within minutes. The oil you added will carry this taste to every part of the pit.
When Mrs Carp turns up with her fat mates, the boilies you threw in, now resemble baits that have been in the water for many days and which are safe. The attractors have all poured out of the baits rapidly. The food content remains. The carp can now physically eat 10kg of them without stopping, ****ting them out as fast as she is scoffing them down. You made whatever freezer bait you choose, far more effective in a fishing scenario. Just not as convenient for you to now store.
Please do not think I am giving away the crown jewels by telling you to buy some Equimins. I am not stupid. It's a very simple garlic liquid additive for horses, without added carp tax. £7 per litre bottle. Touch. It's very good stuff indeed, water based and carp absolutely love it. I use it as a bait soak mixed with water, but it also gets reduced and goes into our GPB1 & GPB2 along with many other more complex garlic products. The important part of the above process I have described to you, is the water. You don't even need the Equimins, it just adds a pukka garlic taste into the equation. A free form turbo boost for the attractors already in your freezer baits so to speak. The water is the important bit... Water will allow nature to get to work unlocking your freezer baits.
No good as a bait soak mate. It's a very simple sugar that works very well as food for bacteria when fermenting particles. If you are thinking of utilising this as a bait soak for boilies after what I wrote on this forum yesterday... Keep it much simpler.
There is a product that goes by two names, it is either called Equimins 'Liquid Gold' or Equimins liquid 'garlic extract'. Both are the same thing. A very concentrated liquid garlic extract, that can be fed to horses daily.
It costs around £6-8 per litre bottle and can be purchased from any equine store or feed supplier. It's water based and ideal as a simple bait soak mixed with water. Take a couple of kilo of your favourite freezer baits out of the freezer the day before you are due to go angling and place them in a bucket to defrost. Give them a small slurp of good hemp oil, or a peanut oil from the supermarket. A very thing coat is all that is required. The baits will soak the oil up as they defrost. Allow the baits to come up to room temperature, so they are completely dry on the outside and have sucked up all of the oil. When they are dry, boil the kettle. Fill a coffee mug up half way with hot, but not boiling, pre boiled water from the kettle. Add a couple of table spoons of Equimins and stir. At this point you could also maybe add a table spoon of sugar or honey. Stir it all up and pour it over the now defrosted boilies. Keep shaking them for the rest of the day until they have absorbed all of the water evenly. It will take hours for that water to actually reach the centre of the boilie and spread through out the bait.
The amount of water used, has to be judged by yourself for your purposes. What you are looking to achieve, is to fill those boilies with water, with no water left in the bucket at all. You are not washing out anything from your expensive freezer baits. You are just adding some water, and unlocking those egg bound balls. You can turn those baits into nigh on mush with too much water and Equimins. But with the right amount of water, the baits can be easily squished between fingers... But still remain firm enough to still be able to use in a throwing stick, with more of a looping motion to avoid splitting. (They go absolutely miles). You can catapult them miles too, because they are far heavier. They will last in the bucket for two days maximum before they go rank. Don't prepare too many at a time for this reason. When those baits are sitting there in the bucket sodden, mother nature is starting to get to work immediately. Food, water & air in the bucket, magic starts to happen. The breakdown that starts to occur on the outside of the baits, is very attractive to a carp.
Why are you doing this, what's the point? Because you have now made your freezer baits into a form where they are super attractive to a carp, the very instant you put them into the water. No waiting for your rock hard boilies to get some water transfer, so the carp can properly sense the food content. All of your food signals and any attractors from inside your favourite boilies are now more unlocked by the water you added...They are still inside your sodden boilies. Now though, their taste will flood out of the baits like a bomb going off, water transfer will occur virtually instantly. Every fish within a vast distance will taste your garlic infused bait through the water, within minutes. The oil you added will carry this taste to every part of the pit.
When Mrs Carp turns up with her fat mates, the boilies you threw in, now resemble baits that have been in the water for many days and which are safe. The attractors have all poured out of the baits rapidly. The food content remains. The carp can now physically eat 10kg of them without stopping, ****ting them out as fast as she is scoffing them down. You made whatever freezer bait you choose, far more effective in a fishing scenario. Just not as convenient for you to now store.
Please do not think I am giving away the crown jewels by telling you to buy some Equimins. I am not stupid. It's a very simple garlic liquid additive for horses, without added carp tax. £7 per litre bottle. Touch. It's very good stuff indeed, water based and carp absolutely love it. I use it as a bait soak mixed with water, but it also gets reduced and goes into our GPB1 & GPB2 along with many other more complex garlic products. The important part of the above process I have described to you, is the water. You don't even need the Equimins, it just adds a pukka garlic taste into the equation. A free form turbo boost for the attractors already in your freezer baits so to speak. The water is the important bit... Water will allow nature to get to work unlocking your freezer baits.
Perfect explanation mark thank you. I'll be doing a lot of this. This along with the fermented maize should work a treat on the big pit. 70% spodding on the lake until they start to move in closer.
In reply to Post #6
Thanks for posting that Mark. It reminded me of a horse supplement I came across a while ago that I fancied giving a try. It's a garlic, honey and glucose liquid, three things I feel are usefull in carp baits. I might have wasted my money, but the only way to see is to try it.
Thanks for posting that Mark. It reminded me of a horse supplement I came across a while ago that I fancied giving a try. It's a garlic, honey and glucose liquid, three things I feel are usefull in carp baits. I might have wasted my money, but the only way to see is to try it.
In reply to Post #6
Mark you legend you.
They'll have to put a bronze statue up somewhere of your choosing.
Mark you legend you.
They'll have to put a bronze statue up somewhere of your choosing.
In reply to Post #6
I like the garlic stuff, and allowing a bit of time for the watered down garlic and sugars to get the boilies to loosened up a bit.
I can't see why you'd add some oil first (or at all), surely that would inhibit the moisture penetration
I often give my baits a little glaze of a hydro that's been thinned with some fish sauce, and also add a bit of garlic, curry and pdfm and give it 24 hrs to soak.
I like the garlic stuff, and allowing a bit of time for the watered down garlic and sugars to get the boilies to loosened up a bit.
I can't see why you'd add some oil first (or at all), surely that would inhibit the moisture penetration
I often give my baits a little glaze of a hydro that's been thinned with some fish sauce, and also add a bit of garlic, curry and pdfm and give it 24 hrs to soak.
In reply to Post #10
Quote... I can't see why you'd add some oil first (or at all), surely that would inhibit the moisture penetration.
No it does not.
Think of some trout pellets that are saturated in heavy fish oil. Put them into water and what happens? They suck up water rapidly. The solubility of the pellet itself dictates this, not the oil. There is a big oil slick on the surface straight away after you throw the pellets into the water. Oil reacts with water, this is a good thing. It creates fast water transfer in the bait, the oil reacts with the water and forces its way to the surface. When oil forces itself out of a bait, it is replaced by water. This is a very good thing.
So many misconceptions about oil. Oil, and the reaction it creates underwater is super attractive to carp and all fish. The thinner and more natural the oil, the better. As previously stated many times on here with previous members, I don't care what any 'expert', who wrote some paper from Japan said about carp have no receptors for oil and cannot sense it. He is wrong. He never carp fished, or spent his entire life chasing carp.... Virtually everything that carp love and find super attractive contains loads and loads of oil. Hemp, fish meal, peanuts, seeds of all descriptions, etc, etc. All very natural things, that are all incredibly oily, all are incredibly attractive to carp and other fish. Fish themselves, are created, and then die under water. The whole cycle from start to finish is under water. Yet they themselves, are full up with oil. Natural oils that nature itself created.
The S range of our hook baits including the S2, all contain a nut oil that I process first to make it even thinner before it gets added to the base mix. Our GPB1 & GPB2 both contain a garlic oil that I go to great lengths to make from scratch. Both of those oils, are incredibly important parts of the hook baits success that we make.
The oil that I am telling you to add, is not being added with the eggs and 'bound' into the bait either. It is being added as a thin coat in free-form. These are two completely different things and will leave the bait in two different ways.
Quote... I can't see why you'd add some oil first (or at all), surely that would inhibit the moisture penetration.
No it does not.
Think of some trout pellets that are saturated in heavy fish oil. Put them into water and what happens? They suck up water rapidly. The solubility of the pellet itself dictates this, not the oil. There is a big oil slick on the surface straight away after you throw the pellets into the water. Oil reacts with water, this is a good thing. It creates fast water transfer in the bait, the oil reacts with the water and forces its way to the surface. When oil forces itself out of a bait, it is replaced by water. This is a very good thing.
So many misconceptions about oil. Oil, and the reaction it creates underwater is super attractive to carp and all fish. The thinner and more natural the oil, the better. As previously stated many times on here with previous members, I don't care what any 'expert', who wrote some paper from Japan said about carp have no receptors for oil and cannot sense it. He is wrong. He never carp fished, or spent his entire life chasing carp.... Virtually everything that carp love and find super attractive contains loads and loads of oil. Hemp, fish meal, peanuts, seeds of all descriptions, etc, etc. All very natural things, that are all incredibly oily, all are incredibly attractive to carp and other fish. Fish themselves, are created, and then die under water. The whole cycle from start to finish is under water. Yet they themselves, are full up with oil. Natural oils that nature itself created.
The S range of our hook baits including the S2, all contain a nut oil that I process first to make it even thinner before it gets added to the base mix. Our GPB1 & GPB2 both contain a garlic oil that I go to great lengths to make from scratch. Both of those oils, are incredibly important parts of the hook baits success that we make.
The oil that I am telling you to add, is not being added with the eggs and 'bound' into the bait either. It is being added as a thin coat in free-form. These are two completely different things and will leave the bait in two different ways.
In reply to Post #10
I've been working all day today and I am absolutely knackered. When I get a chance, I will write something out on here for all of you home bait rollers. Something that is so simple to do, but it will immeasurably improve whatever bait you make for yourself at home. It does not matter if it is a shop bought mix, or a mix you make up yourself.
The difference you will be able to visibly see in your own home rolled bait, will astound you. It will make whatever bait you make, better results wise too.
You will not need to purchase a single item either.
I've been working all day today and I am absolutely knackered. When I get a chance, I will write something out on here for all of you home bait rollers. Something that is so simple to do, but it will immeasurably improve whatever bait you make for yourself at home. It does not matter if it is a shop bought mix, or a mix you make up yourself.
The difference you will be able to visibly see in your own home rolled bait, will astound you. It will make whatever bait you make, better results wise too.
You will not need to purchase a single item either.
In reply to Post #12
Look forward to reading this
Look forward to reading this
Will the 5L tubs that the likes of liquid food and oils come in be strong enough for the maize to ferment in ? Or 2l coke bottles.
Don't mind buying something if there's a better alternative.
Don't mind buying something if there's a better alternative.