Large gravel pit, loathsome sailing club, biblically stupid commodore, dye black three times a year, visibility two feet.
I'd appreciate the views of those of you have experience of similar circumstances or people with an understanding of temperature, sunlight and water.
I'm guessing the first application in March will have little effect on a population of carp living in cold water but as the sun gets warmer and the ecology of the water begins to increase in the very shallow water effected by the weak early sunshine, the carp will themselves come right on close or frequent the most shallow points of the bars. Any views on early season activity?
I'd appreciate the views of those of you have experience of similar circumstances or people with an understanding of temperature, sunlight and water.
I'm guessing the first application in March will have little effect on a population of carp living in cold water but as the sun gets warmer and the ecology of the water begins to increase in the very shallow water effected by the weak early sunshine, the carp will themselves come right on close or frequent the most shallow points of the bars. Any views on early season activity?
In reply to Post #1
Plenty of fisheries use either blue or the black dye (lake shadow) to suppress weed and algea.
Overall water temperatures will be higher but fishery owners that use it say that there's no detrimental effect on the fishing.
Plenty of fisheries use either blue or the black dye (lake shadow) to suppress weed and algea.
Overall water temperatures will be higher but fishery owners that use it say that there's no detrimental effect on the fishing.
In reply to Post #1
Blue dye used on my lakes. Looks odd first time you see it but it didn't affect the fishing.
Blue dye used on my lakes. Looks odd first time you see it but it didn't affect the fishing.
In reply to Post #2
I have absolutely no doubt that it's possible to increase catches of carp by restricting sunlight and thereby massivly reducing ecological conditions. Those fish are reliant on anglers bait. I'm often still surprised by how human beings think up new and imaginative ways of destroying the natural environment and how the regulator (very small 'r') let's them.
That point aside, dye, spring, carp?
I have absolutely no doubt that it's possible to increase catches of carp by restricting sunlight and thereby massivly reducing ecological conditions. Those fish are reliant on anglers bait. I'm often still surprised by how human beings think up new and imaginative ways of destroying the natural environment and how the regulator (very small 'r') let's them.
That point aside, dye, spring, carp?
In reply to Post #4
The lakes weren't dyed to increase catches, but to reduce weed growth. I saw no evidence the 'natural environment' was destroyed & indeed the club would not do anything that might affect the carp or the lake.
The lakes weren't dyed to increase catches, but to reduce weed growth. I saw no evidence the 'natural environment' was destroyed & indeed the club would not do anything that might affect the carp or the lake.
In reply to Post #4
What on earth are you talking about
What on earth are you talking about
In reply to Post #4
None of the owners have reported dyes causing reduced numbers of naturals or general damage to the environment.
I'm sure they wouldn't use it if they believed it was doing harm.
I honestly believe that if you're unhappy about the way they're running the water you should vote with your feet and go elsewhere.
None of the owners have reported dyes causing reduced numbers of naturals or general damage to the environment.
I'm sure they wouldn't use it if they believed it was doing harm.
I honestly believe that if you're unhappy about the way they're running the water you should vote with your feet and go elsewhere.
In reply to Post #5
You know that big round hot thing in the sky? It's pretty important. How on earth you can think eliminating every macrophyte except those that get themselves free of the water is not wide scale environmental destruction is well beyond me. I'm not equipped to cope with such stupidity. Where on earth do you think the non-benthic macroinvertibrates live? I didn't see a single hirundine over the water all of last season.
I'm guessing I'm not going to get the information I'm looking for.
You know that big round hot thing in the sky? It's pretty important. How on earth you can think eliminating every macrophyte except those that get themselves free of the water is not wide scale environmental destruction is well beyond me. I'm not equipped to cope with such stupidity. Where on earth do you think the non-benthic macroinvertibrates live? I didn't see a single hirundine over the water all of last season.
I'm guessing I'm not going to get the information I'm looking for.
In reply to Post #6
I think the point is that fishing and sensible management of the environment are not the same thing. Using dye will greatly reduce the number of organisms that rely on photosynthesis, hence a lot less weed and algae. Unfortunately weed, algae and the micro organisms that are associated with them are the first fundamental building blocks in the aquatic food chain. Quite literally everything else is utterly reliant on them.
Reducing or eradicating them will greatly reduce the health and productivity of the natural environment.
As carp are happy to survive and thrive on articial food( anglers bait and feed) the carp fishing may well improve as the fish will be more and more reliant on it as there are fewer and fewer Naturals. As the fishing improves, more anglers, more bait, bigger fish and the destructive cycle continues.
It is a sad fact that carp, carp angling and the profiteeringmodern management of carp fisheries judged solely on easy fishing, convenience, numbers and weights have caused and continue to cause massive damage to our native species and habitats.
There is room for carp fishing but a respect for a healthy natural environment comes first.
I think the point is that fishing and sensible management of the environment are not the same thing. Using dye will greatly reduce the number of organisms that rely on photosynthesis, hence a lot less weed and algae. Unfortunately weed, algae and the micro organisms that are associated with them are the first fundamental building blocks in the aquatic food chain. Quite literally everything else is utterly reliant on them.
Reducing or eradicating them will greatly reduce the health and productivity of the natural environment.
As carp are happy to survive and thrive on articial food( anglers bait and feed) the carp fishing may well improve as the fish will be more and more reliant on it as there are fewer and fewer Naturals. As the fishing improves, more anglers, more bait, bigger fish and the destructive cycle continues.
It is a sad fact that carp, carp angling and the profiteeringmodern management of carp fisheries judged solely on easy fishing, convenience, numbers and weights have caused and continue to cause massive damage to our native species and habitats.
There is room for carp fishing but a respect for a healthy natural environment comes first.
In reply to Post #8
If Dosed properly not everything dies. There are numerous examples of match waters double dosing or even triple and pretty quickly the fish die as they turned it in to a sterile environment.
If dosed properly the weed can still grow, it is just suppressed. I'm assuming the sailing lot only need 3/4ft of clear water to sail happily in. Loads of waters dye and the shallows still have weed growing fine.
If Dosed properly not everything dies. There are numerous examples of match waters double dosing or even triple and pretty quickly the fish die as they turned it in to a sterile environment.
If dosed properly the weed can still grow, it is just suppressed. I'm assuming the sailing lot only need 3/4ft of clear water to sail happily in. Loads of waters dye and the shallows still have weed growing fine.
no need to get so melodramatic 
the Dye is not permanent its widely used especially in Europe I know of one lake that the owner has a constant drip feed going in the lake and the fish are in the 80 plus range and still growing
the Dye is not permanent its widely used especially in Europe I know of one lake that the owner has a constant drip feed going in the lake and the fish are in the 80 plus range and still growing
In reply to Post #10
The weed can survive and grow in the shallow margins because the light can still penetrate. In any dyed lake depending on type and dosage there will be a depth below which the weed will not grow.
If you dye a lake you are greatly reducing the production of natural food, daylight oxygen levels and the overall health of the environment. It is unavoidable. The fact that an alien species fed large amounts of highly nutritious food survive and thrive doesn't mean that serious environmental damage isn't being done
Sunlight is life, reduce it or cut it off and damage is inevitable.
The weed can survive and grow in the shallow margins because the light can still penetrate. In any dyed lake depending on type and dosage there will be a depth below which the weed will not grow.
If you dye a lake you are greatly reducing the production of natural food, daylight oxygen levels and the overall health of the environment. It is unavoidable. The fact that an alien species fed large amounts of highly nutritious food survive and thrive doesn't mean that serious environmental damage isn't being done
Sunlight is life, reduce it or cut it off and damage is inevitable.
In reply to Post #11
So the carp are fine, I haven't said otherwise. What about everything else. I think that environmentally speaking a bit of melodrama is long overdue. There are too many people who have a blind and unhealthy obsession with carp. A lot of them write on here.
DDT, lead, and mercury were widely used. We'll have to live with that for a long time.
Carbon dioxide, methane and sulphur dioxide have been dripped into the atmosphere for a long time. We may not get a chance to live with that.
So the carp are fine, I haven't said otherwise. What about everything else. I think that environmentally speaking a bit of melodrama is long overdue. There are too many people who have a blind and unhealthy obsession with carp. A lot of them write on here.
DDT, lead, and mercury were widely used. We'll have to live with that for a long time.
Carbon dioxide, methane and sulphur dioxide have been dripped into the atmosphere for a long time. We may not get a chance to live with that.
In reply to Post #5
Reducing weed growth IS an example of a destructive effect on the natural environment
If the artificial dye wasn't used then the natural environment would be more weedy.
Halfcentury makes some very good points.
Carp fishing in the UK is artificial and engineered from its most basic principles
Reducing weed growth IS an example of a destructive effect on the natural environment
If the artificial dye wasn't used then the natural environment would be more weedy.
Halfcentury makes some very good points.
Carp fishing in the UK is artificial and engineered from its most basic principles
I simply dont fish waters that get dyed. Even worse when its done under the guise of 'making it easier for anglers' the few waters i know that have been dyed the general feeling is its lead to problems and 'coincidently' fish kills months later.
Like someone eludes to it feels like a plastic water once its done...not for me.
Like someone eludes to it feels like a plastic water once its done...not for me.