What's people opinion on the best spice flavours avaliable for single hookbait at the moment, that is unless someone has an old bottle of leaf spice ea kicking about 😁
In reply to Post #1
Save yourself the hassle and get some specialised hookbaits s3's 👍
Otherwise, Jay Rider at A-Baits did have some Ultraspice available, may have all gone tho
Save yourself the hassle and get some specialised hookbaits s3's 👍
Otherwise, Jay Rider at A-Baits did have some Ultraspice available, may have all gone tho
In reply to Post #1
Strangely I remember using that, must have been about 1985. Never found it to be particularly good.
Strangely I remember using that, must have been about 1985. Never found it to be particularly good.
In reply to Post #1
I always go for the real deal. Essential oils and powder spices are far superior than a flavour
I always go for the real deal. Essential oils and powder spices are far superior than a flavour
In reply to Post #4
So why does tutti fruit catch?
Nothing to stop you using real spices and eo's PLUS a complimentary flavour.......
So why does tutti fruit catch?
Nothing to stop you using real spices and eo's PLUS a complimentary flavour.......
In reply to Post #5
I can revert the question as well. Why do none flavoured baits catch?
I can revert the question as well. Why do none flavoured baits catch?
In reply to Post #6
The third question is... which catches more?
The third question is... which catches more?
In reply to Post #6
Name a bait with no “flavour”. Everything has a “taste”
Name a bait with no “flavour”. Everything has a “taste”
In reply to Post #8
Exactly
Exactly
In reply to Post #8
You know, just as all, that when one mentioned the word flavour and carp bait 95% thinks about a scent obtained from a liquid bought in a bottle called flavour.
You know, just as all, that when one mentioned the word flavour and carp bait 95% thinks about a scent obtained from a liquid bought in a bottle called flavour.
In reply to Post #10
But not all “flavours” are cheap chemically ones. Would you call Secret Agent (for example) a flavour? Chocolate Malt? Maple Cream? They may have smelled, but their success wasn't because they smelt to us of whatever they smelt of. And would a bait been better without them?
But not all “flavours” are cheap chemically ones. Would you call Secret Agent (for example) a flavour? Chocolate Malt? Maple Cream? They may have smelled, but their success wasn't because they smelt to us of whatever they smelt of. And would a bait been better without them?
In reply to Post #10
You will of course find plenty of the same chemicals in "flavours" as you find in essential oils and spices.
I don't believe that the fish can sense if those chemicals come from a laboratory or if they are isolated from a plant.
You will of course find plenty of the same chemicals in "flavours" as you find in essential oils and spices.
I don't believe that the fish can sense if those chemicals come from a laboratory or if they are isolated from a plant.
In reply to Post #6
Years ago I experimented a lot with various flavours. What I found was that some flavours were a waste of time and produced very little while other flavours produced lots of fish over and over again. Leaving out the flavour altogether produced very little but did produce the odd run.
The basemix was a fairly basic mix of Clo birdfood, Semo and a small amount of milk protein and brewers yeast. My sessions would be short either days or a night rarely both and the waters quite heavily stocked.
Make of it what you will, but I was and still am convinced that a good flavour on its own will attract carp, or perhaps more correctly provokes them to pick up our boilies. Note I said a good flavour as I have already said many did not provoke a response or very little of one.
Put one of those good flavours in a quality boilie and you have a bait that carp will take from the off and will continue to take. Take the flavour out of a good bait and yes it will catch but as quick and as many as it would with the flavour present.. not in my experience.
And for the original question re spice flavour, unfortunately I didn't try many and ultraspice was the only one I found to be really effective.
Years ago I experimented a lot with various flavours. What I found was that some flavours were a waste of time and produced very little while other flavours produced lots of fish over and over again. Leaving out the flavour altogether produced very little but did produce the odd run.
The basemix was a fairly basic mix of Clo birdfood, Semo and a small amount of milk protein and brewers yeast. My sessions would be short either days or a night rarely both and the waters quite heavily stocked.
Make of it what you will, but I was and still am convinced that a good flavour on its own will attract carp, or perhaps more correctly provokes them to pick up our boilies. Note I said a good flavour as I have already said many did not provoke a response or very little of one.
Put one of those good flavours in a quality boilie and you have a bait that carp will take from the off and will continue to take. Take the flavour out of a good bait and yes it will catch but as quick and as many as it would with the flavour present.. not in my experience.
And for the original question re spice flavour, unfortunately I didn't try many and ultraspice was the only one I found to be really effective.
In reply to Post #13
I will kind of echo that. I have definitely used some flavours that appear to be useless and others that seem to really work
I can remember using an hold hutchy flavour that smelt a bit like soap and we made it into a bird food boilie in the early 90s. Completely useless!
We then changed to a fruit flavour and added sweetners and it worked much better.
Looking back with an open mind, did the flavour make the difference, did the sweetener, who knows.
The soapy smelling flavour was rated by some of the locals back then but i seemed to struggle with it.
Tutti, it works
Aniseed it works
Certain creams work
Squid works
But many others do just not seem as good
I 100 percent believe that no flavour alone is going to turn you into a mega hauler and that you need more substance behind a bait long term. John baker can probably answer more in depth about flavours but I'd certainly never just rely on them
I will kind of echo that. I have definitely used some flavours that appear to be useless and others that seem to really work
I can remember using an hold hutchy flavour that smelt a bit like soap and we made it into a bird food boilie in the early 90s. Completely useless!
We then changed to a fruit flavour and added sweetners and it worked much better.
Looking back with an open mind, did the flavour make the difference, did the sweetener, who knows.
The soapy smelling flavour was rated by some of the locals back then but i seemed to struggle with it.
Tutti, it works
Aniseed it works
Certain creams work
Squid works
But many others do just not seem as good
I 100 percent believe that no flavour alone is going to turn you into a mega hauler and that you need more substance behind a bait long term. John baker can probably answer more in depth about flavours but I'd certainly never just rely on them
In reply to Post #1
There are a lot of people on here you have way more knowledge than me when it comes to bait ...but i did have a dabble at baitmaking in the early 2000's after being given a bottle of something by a proffessional flavourist to have a play with
nobody else was using it to according to the flavourist
for 2 seasons it took apart every lake in oxon and was used by people to get bait deals with other companys saying all fish were caught on their bait
I called it OLA365 but it was Fenugreek Oleoresin and Sqid n Octopus then the cat was out of the bag and every man and his dog were using it
There are a lot of people on here you have way more knowledge than me when it comes to bait ...but i did have a dabble at baitmaking in the early 2000's after being given a bottle of something by a proffessional flavourist to have a play with
nobody else was using it to according to the flavourist for 2 seasons it took apart every lake in oxon and was used by people to get bait deals with other companys saying all fish were caught on their bait
I called it OLA365 but it was Fenugreek Oleoresin and Sqid n Octopus then the cat was out of the bag and every man and his dog were using it