So........I first noticed when fishing at about 250 yards up against the opposite river bank that I wasn't getting indication when my rigs were getting picked up so on the next trip I thought ok, I will up the weight on my bobbins, this helped but still didn't crack it 100% of times. Im know wondering about the braid I use. Do you think that bite indication is effected by different braids ie floating/sinking/neutral etc? I'm fishing a stretch of river in France which is very deep with a slow flow, other rivers I normally fish out there are either not so wide or I don't fish so far out due to flow etc. On the big lakes I have always found you get screamers so distance has never been a problem but on the river the fish are just going sideways and dumping the rigs in the snags. I'm using power pro at around 50lb (I think) with a leader to a 10-12oz lead. Any thoughts?
If your using roller style bite alarms then kiting fish very rarely give much indication in my experience, using delkim on the other hand with the vibration sensing should give a lot better indication, and often a bell on the rod tip will give you good indication also as I've often noticed the rod tips moving befor any indication on my alarms when fishing at range and the fish kites on the take, just my take on it though, if your already using delks then I'm not sure lol
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I'm using Delks.
I'm using Delks.
As you say, you are fishing the opposite bank, it's the same with me fishing the opposite bank on the lake I fish. The fish cannot run away from you so you will not get "Screamers" especially if your using fixed leads. They can only go sideways or towards you so indication will never be good. Situations like this, I prefer a heavy running lead.
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Running lead is out of the question as it's snaggy. Just hoping someone might have some thoughts on different braids for indication or methods etc.
Running lead is out of the question as it's snaggy. Just hoping someone might have some thoughts on different braids for indication or methods etc.
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Surely if its snaggy then a running set up would be safer anyway?
Surely if its snaggy then a running set up would be safer anyway?
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It might be a really silly question but is it not possible to simply fish from the opposite bank closer in? Or feed a different area as to make life easier for yourself? I've spent far more years fishing rivers than lakes and have found that the fish will find their way to you much more obligingly than on a lake. Obviously I haven't fished where you are so I'm unfamiliar with it...
It might be a really silly question but is it not possible to simply fish from the opposite bank closer in? Or feed a different area as to make life easier for yourself? I've spent far more years fishing rivers than lakes and have found that the fish will find their way to you much more obligingly than on a lake. Obviously I haven't fished where you are so I'm unfamiliar with it...
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Have you thought of fishing beachcaster style with the tip tightened to the lead like barbel fishing. As the fish moves the lead you will get a drop back or the tip will crank over.
Have you thought of fishing beachcaster style with the tip tightened to the lead like barbel fishing. As the fish moves the lead you will get a drop back or the tip will crank over.
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Agree. Then looking at OP, 250 yards the lead would still have to be moved a fair distance to show on the tip. Especially with any bow in the line.
Agree. Then looking at OP, 250 yards the lead would still have to be moved a fair distance to show on the tip. Especially with any bow in the line.
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Very similar to fishing in a strong tide off the beach. Place your rig upstream and let some line out until it settles. At 250 yds I assume your not casting. Shorter range, cast out, let some line etc, etc. Fish with a high rod and tip under tension from the belly of line. On the take the tip will kick straight as the lead breaks out from the bottom. With a fish moving upstream you will get a steady run. You will need to play with lead sizes, possibly half of what you are using now. Could even try using sea leads with break away wires. It is the bow of line which enables the lead to settle. Don't try and fish tight to the lead.
Never done this in a river for carp but can't hurt to try.
Very similar to fishing in a strong tide off the beach. Place your rig upstream and let some line out until it settles. At 250 yds I assume your not casting. Shorter range, cast out, let some line etc, etc. Fish with a high rod and tip under tension from the belly of line. On the take the tip will kick straight as the lead breaks out from the bottom. With a fish moving upstream you will get a steady run. You will need to play with lead sizes, possibly half of what you are using now. Could even try using sea leads with break away wires. It is the bow of line which enables the lead to settle. Don't try and fish tight to the lead.
Never done this in a river for carp but can't hurt to try.
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That's the way I'd go in an extreme situation on a big river at that range. Just enough lead to hold bottom with the rod cranked right over so any movement of the lead will dislodge it. No bobbins as you're using Delks. You'd need a rock solid set of banksticks/pod with the butt locked in, I mean really locked in or you'll lose the lot.
That's the way I'd go in an extreme situation on a big river at that range. Just enough lead to hold bottom with the rod cranked right over so any movement of the lead will dislodge it. No bobbins as you're using Delks. You'd need a rock solid set of banksticks/pod with the butt locked in, I mean really locked in or you'll lose the lot.
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This doesn't make sense to me. You're saying they are kiting without you noticing. If you use a running rig as soon as they move a distance you'll know about it drastically cutting down chances of them getting to the snags?
You can coil a metre or two of line in a line clip on your rod and keep a tighter clutch so the fish picks up you get the indication and movement required with running rigs and now you're aware, when it uses the line it hits your reel with the clutch set and you should be on your rods soon 👍🏻
This doesn't make sense to me. You're saying they are kiting without you noticing. If you use a running rig as soon as they move a distance you'll know about it drastically cutting down chances of them getting to the snags?
You can coil a metre or two of line in a line clip on your rod and keep a tighter clutch so the fish picks up you get the indication and movement required with running rigs and now you're aware, when it uses the line it hits your reel with the clutch set and you should be on your rods soon 👍🏻
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If you are fishing into gaps in the trees on the far margin then they will easily kite a couple of yards due to the slight bow (pressure) on the line with little or no indication and just snag you in the trees.
You will need to fish the outside edge of the trees as it is safer for the fish and less likely to cause rackle losses.
Very heavy bobbins or sprung tension indicators are the way to go but they wont help if you insist on fishing right into far bank gaps in the tree line.
If you are fishing into gaps in the trees on the far margin then they will easily kite a couple of yards due to the slight bow (pressure) on the line with little or no indication and just snag you in the trees.
You will need to fish the outside edge of the trees as it is safer for the fish and less likely to cause rackle losses.
Very heavy bobbins or sprung tension indicators are the way to go but they wont help if you insist on fishing right into far bank gaps in the tree line.
It's a steep barrage, in the mountains. We place baits from a boat on ledges at different depths. A running lead would just get snagged in the rocks, fallen trees, stumps etc. The water drops down to 60ft.
Can't really just camp up anywhere as there is no where to make camp.
Can't really just camp up anywhere as there is no where to make camp.
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If the bottom is that bad then maybe it's time to find a more practical proposition. Sometimes it's just not on and fishing horrendous snags at 250 yds is probably one of them.
If the bottom is that bad then maybe it's time to find a more practical proposition. Sometimes it's just not on and fishing horrendous snags at 250 yds is probably one of them.