Had a visit to a local pigeon feed place yesterday as wanting to try a particle approach on a new water. Was blown away by the sheer amount of different mixes and seed combinations. Found a couple with the compositions below which I like the look of ingredient wise. Anything in these mixes that is something carp don't like as much?
Seed Mix 1 - A pigeon conditioner with aniseed oil
Naked oats, panicum, canary seed, white milletseed, red milletseed, pinhead oatmeal, niger seed, rapeseed, whole linseed, mawseed, hempseed, aniseed oil - Smaller items I intend for shallower water / margin baiting.
Seed Mix 2 - Called a widowhood mix
Whole Maize, Wheat, Red Dari, Plate Maize, White Dari, Maple Peas, Safflower Seed, Tares - Larger food particles which I intend to use over deeper water so it doesn't spread out too much.
Seed Mix 1 - A pigeon conditioner with aniseed oil
Naked oats, panicum, canary seed, white milletseed, red milletseed, pinhead oatmeal, niger seed, rapeseed, whole linseed, mawseed, hempseed, aniseed oil - Smaller items I intend for shallower water / margin baiting.
Seed Mix 2 - Called a widowhood mix
Whole Maize, Wheat, Red Dari, Plate Maize, White Dari, Maple Peas, Safflower Seed, Tares - Larger food particles which I intend to use over deeper water so it doesn't spread out too much.
In reply to Post #1
Both look good. The Conditioner can be used after just a soak(freezer box method preferably) but it will be better for a soak and a 20 minute boil. It should look nice a gloopy after that! This is a similar mix to the one you describe.
Cheers
Ken
Both look good. The Conditioner can be used after just a soak(freezer box method preferably) but it will be better for a soak and a 20 minute boil. It should look nice a gloopy after that! This is a similar mix to the one you describe.
Cheers
Ken
In reply to Post #2
Thanks Ken. Certainly opened my eyes to the world of pigeon keeping - never realised how many different feeds there were for them!
Thanks Ken. Certainly opened my eyes to the world of pigeon keeping - never realised how many different feeds there were for them!
In reply to Post #1
The anise oil makes a lovely addition. I was always concerned that the volatiles (oil) got driven off on boiling so always added some back once cooled. You should also be able to buy the oil from that shop, and a lot of other overlooked goodies
Personally I'm a huge fan of Maples (great value for money as double in size) and Tares, usually with hemp, I found the smaller fish don't tend to be able to cope with Maples size...big Roach however...but they're always welcome
The anise oil makes a lovely addition. I was always concerned that the volatiles (oil) got driven off on boiling so always added some back once cooled. You should also be able to buy the oil from that shop, and a lot of other overlooked goodies
Personally I'm a huge fan of Maples (great value for money as double in size) and Tares, usually with hemp, I found the smaller fish don't tend to be able to cope with Maples size...big Roach however...but they're always welcome
In reply to Post #1
I've used conditioner similar to Mix 1 for near on 30 years, it just keeps working and so easy to prepare with a cool box.
I've used conditioner similar to Mix 1 for near on 30 years, it just keeps working and so easy to prepare with a cool box.
In reply to Post #1
Either is fine. And you are overthinking it a bit tbh. Just prep them, mix them together, or just use either one of them. Forget about what range or depth you fish them at, it will make very little difference
Either is fine. And you are overthinking it a bit tbh. Just prep them, mix them together, or just use either one of them. Forget about what range or depth you fish them at, it will make very little difference
In reply to Post #6
Possibly. Only thing I was worried about is lakes average depths are 18ft. Small mix could be affected by undertow and drift everywhere
Possibly. Only thing I was worried about is lakes average depths are 18ft. Small mix could be affected by undertow and drift everywhere
In reply to Post #7
I wouldn't worry too much. I've used fine stuff in 40ft
I wouldn't worry too much. I've used fine stuff in 40ft
In reply to Post #8
Now that is deep! 18ft out of my comfort zone a bit, never mind 40!
Now that is deep! 18ft out of my comfort zone a bit, never mind 40!
Having fished deep lakes myself, what happens with particle at that kind of scale of depth it spreads out more. Should be fine though, 18 foot isn't spectacularly deep
Think the undertow question is valid. Many lakes are not particularly affected but those that are will spread particles long distances. Long, deep, open lakes with bare banks and orientated to the prevailing wind can suffer very powerful undertow and I would not waste particles in those conditions.
In reply to Post #11
My thoughts, hence my concern. Am thinking of perhaps combining with something cheap like vitalin and making into balls to ensure it gets to bottom.
My thoughts, hence my concern. Am thinking of perhaps combining with something cheap like vitalin and making into balls to ensure it gets to bottom.
In reply to Post #12
Egg biscuit is a fantastic binder...Just add to the wet seed blend, mix thoroughly and then leave the mix to stiffen. You can create groundbait balls that will launch for miles (well, not literally!) out of a groundbait sling.
Egg biscuit is a fantastic binder...Just add to the wet seed blend, mix thoroughly and then leave the mix to stiffen. You can create groundbait balls that will launch for miles (well, not literally!) out of a groundbait sling.
In reply to Post #7
The deepest water I found on Nazeing Central was 22feet deep, but even on the gravel bars that came up to 6feet we found that if the inflow was bringing water in from the North it would wash your particles and boilies away from you. At times even 3oz leads were rolled along!
Vitalin would bind it up to get it to the lakebed, but you had to hope the flow didn't get up.
There were spots however, out of the central current that you could fish. The flow went from the inflow, through the middle of the Central, into the South and up to the outflow sluice.
To some extent the gravel bars diverted some of the flow, but in the middle it could be a nightmare. When that happened you were better off fishing the pylon bank in the Central, the river and caravan bank in the South.
The deepest water I found on Nazeing Central was 22feet deep, but even on the gravel bars that came up to 6feet we found that if the inflow was bringing water in from the North it would wash your particles and boilies away from you. At times even 3oz leads were rolled along!
Vitalin would bind it up to get it to the lakebed, but you had to hope the flow didn't get up.
There were spots however, out of the central current that you could fish. The flow went from the inflow, through the middle of the Central, into the South and up to the outflow sluice.
To some extent the gravel bars diverted some of the flow, but in the middle it could be a nightmare. When that happened you were better off fishing the pylon bank in the Central, the river and caravan bank in the South.
If you find yourself fishing in a strong undertow, whatever you do you will get some spreading of the bait. The stronger the flow the further the spread. Whatever bait I was using I would fish bags, solid or mesh over the top and give them a spread down the flow. You won't be fishing on a tight bed of bait so don't fish your rods tight.