In reply to Post #103
But people who appreciate the maker as few and far between and as this post shows, people doesn't understand the work that goes in to it.
Every decent, honest bait maker I know EARNS there wallet and put there heart into there work
But people who appreciate the maker as few and far between and as this post shows, people doesn't understand the work that goes in to it.
Every decent, honest bait maker I know EARNS there wallet and put there heart into there work
In reply to Post #107
That is not business anymore... It is art... Trying to sell products on bases of who the author is.... You either rise prices or go with "lower quality". Anything else is bad business practise and leads to going under... Respect your work and your own products. If you dont respect it yourself than for sure customers aint gonna respect it...
That is not business anymore... It is art... Trying to sell products on bases of who the author is.... You either rise prices or go with "lower quality". Anything else is bad business practise and leads to going under... Respect your work and your own products. If you dont respect it yourself than for sure customers aint gonna respect it...
In reply to Post #106
id hardly call it graft to be fair
id hardly call it graft to be fair
In reply to Post #110
Mozzi - let me add to my comment.
i wasnt referring to the actual "graft" when it comes to mixing, rolling, boilling, drying, packaging, sending orders out, as i know that is graft
Mozzi - let me add to my comment.
i wasnt referring to the actual "graft" when it comes to mixing, rolling, boilling, drying, packaging, sending orders out, as i know that is graft
In reply to Post #110
The same old conversation going around again.
Money......we all earn a different wage
We are all getting squeezed massively
It doesn't leave a lot for some to go angling with
Bait price.......everyone wants it for nothing
Everyone swaps to cheap particles
Everyone moans about the cheap particles
Boilies become a better option on many waters
Everyone wants cheap boilies
Everyone moans cos they are using cheap **** boilies
And we go round and round and round
My advice is always the same, whatever money you have left for fishing invest it in the best products you can but perhaps buy a little less. My rods are 100 quid each and many years old, my gear is battered, my bivvy was cheap but it's waterproof, but when it comes to July and the silver fish are out in force, I want a decent 20mm boilie to stay out there til the carp turn up. I go to catch carp and I'm afraid that right now it will cost more than it did two years ago.
Make your own choices and live your own lives.
And Mozzi is right, making bait is bloody hard work for very little return right now. The golden days for it are over.
The same old conversation going around again.
Money......we all earn a different wage
We are all getting squeezed massively
It doesn't leave a lot for some to go angling with
Bait price.......everyone wants it for nothing
Everyone swaps to cheap particles
Everyone moans about the cheap particles
Boilies become a better option on many waters
Everyone wants cheap boilies
Everyone moans cos they are using cheap **** boilies
And we go round and round and round
My advice is always the same, whatever money you have left for fishing invest it in the best products you can but perhaps buy a little less. My rods are 100 quid each and many years old, my gear is battered, my bivvy was cheap but it's waterproof, but when it comes to July and the silver fish are out in force, I want a decent 20mm boilie to stay out there til the carp turn up. I go to catch carp and I'm afraid that right now it will cost more than it did two years ago.
Make your own choices and live your own lives.
And Mozzi is right, making bait is bloody hard work for very little return right now. The golden days for it are over.
In reply to Post #112
Totally agree.
i was merely responding to Mozzi re the "Graft" in formulating bait. that side, i dont think is difficult at all these days with so much information readily available to us all
Totally appreciate the "graft" in producing etc
Totally agree.
i was merely responding to Mozzi re the "Graft" in formulating bait. that side, i dont think is difficult at all these days with so much information readily available to us all
Totally appreciate the "graft" in producing etc
It amuses me that so many new brands spring up in carp fishing.
The cake is only so big.
With say 5 tackle brands every manufacturer gets a decent size piece.
With 100 tackle brands, the cake is the same size, but the pieces smaller.
Then every now and again a name goes, or is taken over by another brand.
Dave Preston of Korum, originally Preston innovations years ago worked out he couldn't compete against Fox, their patents and licenses etc, so he went match tackle boxes and add-ons. It's now that his design is giving him a toe-in the market.
Entrepreneurs seem to look at only one spot, and while Ali Hamidi may be a marketing whiz kid, he is only looking at carp fishing, where brand loyalty can be a thing. He may be a name, from TV you know, but breaking against your former employers, and off the wall innovations that need to be genuine advantages.
The cake is only so big.
With say 5 tackle brands every manufacturer gets a decent size piece.
With 100 tackle brands, the cake is the same size, but the pieces smaller.
Then every now and again a name goes, or is taken over by another brand.
Dave Preston of Korum, originally Preston innovations years ago worked out he couldn't compete against Fox, their patents and licenses etc, so he went match tackle boxes and add-ons. It's now that his design is giving him a toe-in the market.
Entrepreneurs seem to look at only one spot, and while Ali Hamidi may be a marketing whiz kid, he is only looking at carp fishing, where brand loyalty can be a thing. He may be a name, from TV you know, but breaking against your former employers, and off the wall innovations that need to be genuine advantages.
To bait makers, how much of your time is spent sourcing ingredients, that must be a pain
In reply to Post #115
Thats an interesting one!
Id imagine that previous supplier list are still used and available??
Thats an interesting one!
Id imagine that previous supplier list are still used and available??
In reply to Post #117
First time for everything
First time for everything
In reply to Post #105
You can get pellet up to over 30mm, fires out fine with a catty
You can get pellet up to over 30mm, fires out fine with a catty
In reply to Post #119
Any good in a throw stick? 😃
Any good in a throw stick? 😃
Markets is already in decline, my local shop confirmed this saying its only the regulars popping in for bits and pieces and a bit of bait for the day. Following a couple of used tackle dealers I know that deal mainly in mid to high end kit they are trying to sell some stuff they've had since the end of last year. Can see a lot of places folding this year
In reply to Post #113
The insinuation reads extremely different Joss and it felt like an attack on how hard I work if I'm honest. I get where your opinion is coming from because yes, it is easy to make a good bait. However there is definitely an art to producing exceptional bait, and keeping it within the realms of a reasonable price to the consumer without shaving away at the quality of it.
I'm sure if you ask any of the proper firms ( by that I mean not the ones set up by people after doing ok on a mediocre recipe after rolling 5 kg , or the huge ones producing bread filled crap ) they could tell you exactly what will happen with ingredient substitutions for example, or easily recommend there best bait for different lakes / approaches / provide informed customer service.
Not to say we don't all struggle with other aspects, moving from large air guns and tables to proper machines was a baptism of fire for me and taught me that there is an entirely different side of bait knowledge and the world that goes into it.
I use a very well known brand of machine, it's the one the huge firms use, and it's on a narrower set of rollers, for my mixes, it is quite sensitive, you rest my mix for “x” number of minutes it rolls beautifully. Five minutes longer it's too stiff, five minutes less they all deform in the tray after rolling etc. And thst is different for both mixes, st different times of the year. Even in size, you roll 18mm after a longer rest period as it goes through the extruder quicker than 15mm stuff so doesn't dry out anymore in it. The fine line between soft paste flat spots and those weird little holes that look like adds holes within the bait is quite finite on my mixes, even when saturating the particles.
The rest it's different to tables is tables you can use a far stiffer mix.
There are of course more agricultural machines out there that produce a decent round ness but it's a mini arms race to be best of the smaller names etc every percent counts.
I'm doing nights in the unit at the moment due to the temperature but I've come in today because a courier lost two parcels yesterday one of which is bait for a french trip, I'm fully “booked out” as it were for rolling for a couple of weeks but I've come back in many hours earlier than I would usually do to make sure he has bait for his trip - irregardless of if the courier admit fault. - a lot more goes on than anyone with a brief look inside will lever realise, so many people have different standards and to be considered decent you need to be exceeding them 9/10.
It feels like far too much work for tge money lol
The insinuation reads extremely different Joss and it felt like an attack on how hard I work if I'm honest. I get where your opinion is coming from because yes, it is easy to make a good bait. However there is definitely an art to producing exceptional bait, and keeping it within the realms of a reasonable price to the consumer without shaving away at the quality of it.
I'm sure if you ask any of the proper firms ( by that I mean not the ones set up by people after doing ok on a mediocre recipe after rolling 5 kg , or the huge ones producing bread filled crap ) they could tell you exactly what will happen with ingredient substitutions for example, or easily recommend there best bait for different lakes / approaches / provide informed customer service.
Not to say we don't all struggle with other aspects, moving from large air guns and tables to proper machines was a baptism of fire for me and taught me that there is an entirely different side of bait knowledge and the world that goes into it.
I use a very well known brand of machine, it's the one the huge firms use, and it's on a narrower set of rollers, for my mixes, it is quite sensitive, you rest my mix for “x” number of minutes it rolls beautifully. Five minutes longer it's too stiff, five minutes less they all deform in the tray after rolling etc. And thst is different for both mixes, st different times of the year. Even in size, you roll 18mm after a longer rest period as it goes through the extruder quicker than 15mm stuff so doesn't dry out anymore in it. The fine line between soft paste flat spots and those weird little holes that look like adds holes within the bait is quite finite on my mixes, even when saturating the particles.
The rest it's different to tables is tables you can use a far stiffer mix.
There are of course more agricultural machines out there that produce a decent round ness but it's a mini arms race to be best of the smaller names etc every percent counts.
I'm doing nights in the unit at the moment due to the temperature but I've come in today because a courier lost two parcels yesterday one of which is bait for a french trip, I'm fully “booked out” as it were for rolling for a couple of weeks but I've come back in many hours earlier than I would usually do to make sure he has bait for his trip - irregardless of if the courier admit fault. - a lot more goes on than anyone with a brief look inside will lever realise, so many people have different standards and to be considered decent you need to be exceeding them 9/10.
It feels like far too much work for tge money lol
In reply to Post #120
Spectacular!
Spectacular!