Give em a bait they really want, you'd catch on a bent pin.
In reply to Post #87
That's a good point, especially when you remember tgat these fish are regularly given a diet of bland carp pellets. Maybe they dont like the mouthfeel of an overloaded hook bait.
That's a good point, especially when you remember tgat these fish are regularly given a diet of bland carp pellets. Maybe they dont like the mouthfeel of an overloaded hook bait.
In reply to Post #93
Has anyone else mentioned how it took the weather to change before they caught?
Heavy baiting in the spring is such a gamble and won't often pay off.
And of course dovey will come in and catch one on a bright loaded pop up......cos it's a mega tactic in spring!
I'm guessing that's part 2 😉
Has anyone else mentioned how it took the weather to change before they caught?
Heavy baiting in the spring is such a gamble and won't often pay off.
And of course dovey will come in and catch one on a bright loaded pop up......cos it's a mega tactic in spring!
I'm guessing that's part 2 😉
In reply to Post #94
In my mind, there's no doubt the bright ones work, but I think that's more of a visual thing than a gustatory thing. Once they mouth them they're rejected, but sometimes, the mouthing, with an efficient rig, is just enough to get a decent hook hold, most of the time it isn't, hence the low pick up to hooked ratio.
A decent tasting bait, on an equally efficient rig, which gives them a bit more rope, I personally think has a better chance of being taken further back in the mouth providing a greater chance of hooking.
But there's so many variables and exceptions is very hard to nail down the winning formula!
In my mind, there's no doubt the bright ones work, but I think that's more of a visual thing than a gustatory thing. Once they mouth them they're rejected, but sometimes, the mouthing, with an efficient rig, is just enough to get a decent hook hold, most of the time it isn't, hence the low pick up to hooked ratio.
A decent tasting bait, on an equally efficient rig, which gives them a bit more rope, I personally think has a better chance of being taken further back in the mouth providing a greater chance of hooking.
But there's so many variables and exceptions is very hard to nail down the winning formula!
In reply to Post #87
As a hobbyist bait maker I think you may have a point, I've never been a fan of all those glugs sprays etc. Let the unadulterated boilie do the talking
As a hobbyist bait maker I think you may have a point, I've never been a fan of all those glugs sprays etc. Let the unadulterated boilie do the talking
In reply to Post #96
Agreed. I've never felt the need to soak or do anything either.
Agreed. I've never felt the need to soak or do anything either.
A couple of things that really shocked me how much liquids he puts on what he thinks is a great bait and why he thinks carp won't eat bait that's been on the bottom for a couple of days.
In regards to the hookbaits. The fish are attracted to the hookbait so can't be that off putting and do fish taste things in their mouths?
In regards to the hookbaits. The fish are attracted to the hookbait so can't be that off putting and do fish taste things in their mouths?
In reply to Post #98
Yet there's others who use washed out baits to simulate bait that's not been eaten for a few days
Yet there's others who use washed out baits to simulate bait that's not been eaten for a few days
In reply to Post #98
They're attracted to the colour, and yes, their mouth is full of taste receptors. Spend a few minutes chatting to chat gpt and you can learn loads about attractors, carp chemoreception and taste.
They're attracted to the colour, and yes, their mouth is full of taste receptors. Spend a few minutes chatting to chat gpt and you can learn loads about attractors, carp chemoreception and taste.
In reply to Post #98
Here's one of my chat gpt extracts:
A carp's gustatory (taste) system is highly developed, allowing it to detect and respond to dissolved chemical attractants in the water. Carp have taste buds not only inside their mouths but also on their lips, barbels, and even external surfaces like their gill rakers. This extensive distribution of taste receptors makes them highly sensitive to chemical cues in their environment.
How Carp Detect Taste:
Waterborne Chemicals: Carp can detect dissolved attractants (such as amino acids, betaine, and other feeding stimulants) as they pass over their external taste buds and through their gill rakers. This means they can "taste" substances in the water even before physically contacting food.
Physical Contact: Once a food item or particle is inhaled, taste buds inside the mouth provide further chemical analysis. If the food is deemed palatable, the carp will swallow it; if not, it can be ejected.
Barbels and Lips: The barbels, particularly those near the mouth, have a high density of taste receptors. These structures help the carp locate and evaluate potential food sources on the substrate before ingestion.
Here's one of my chat gpt extracts:
A carp's gustatory (taste) system is highly developed, allowing it to detect and respond to dissolved chemical attractants in the water. Carp have taste buds not only inside their mouths but also on their lips, barbels, and even external surfaces like their gill rakers. This extensive distribution of taste receptors makes them highly sensitive to chemical cues in their environment.
How Carp Detect Taste:
Waterborne Chemicals: Carp can detect dissolved attractants (such as amino acids, betaine, and other feeding stimulants) as they pass over their external taste buds and through their gill rakers. This means they can "taste" substances in the water even before physically contacting food.
Physical Contact: Once a food item or particle is inhaled, taste buds inside the mouth provide further chemical analysis. If the food is deemed palatable, the carp will swallow it; if not, it can be ejected.
Barbels and Lips: The barbels, particularly those near the mouth, have a high density of taste receptors. These structures help the carp locate and evaluate potential food sources on the substrate before ingestion.
In reply to Post #96
That's the point, I've tried to tout my baits, but caught less than the unglugged one. If a boilie is made with good quality ingredients and well formulated there's anything you can add to improve it. There are bait without any flavour that caught more than all the commercial baits out there.
That's the point, I've tried to tout my baits, but caught less than the unglugged one. If a boilie is made with good quality ingredients and well formulated there's anything you can add to improve it. There are bait without any flavour that caught more than all the commercial baits out there.
In reply to Post #102
Many of the commercial glugs and sprays are rubbish. Have you tasted them...
Slightly flavoured corn syrup, no real food signal at all.
My home made glugs are made from real food ingredients, soluble and semi soluble, baits with no preservatives, dried out then rehydrated with the glugs.
Also perfectly happy to use one out the bag if I'm fishing a spot regularly and it's had some bait.
Many of the commercial glugs and sprays are rubbish. Have you tasted them...
Slightly flavoured corn syrup, no real food signal at all.
My home made glugs are made from real food ingredients, soluble and semi soluble, baits with no preservatives, dried out then rehydrated with the glugs.
Also perfectly happy to use one out the bag if I'm fishing a spot regularly and it's had some bait.
The carp at the lake I'm fishing at the moment are preoccupied with naturals. I'm glugging & dusting my baits to create irresistible 'sweeties' to wean them onto. It seems to be working so I believe hi attract has it's place IMO. I think it depends on many different factors.
On pressured waters though, by NOT using a bright hookbait that's been glugged in sriracha for 2 years, could well be an edge..
On pressured waters though, by NOT using a bright hookbait that's been glugged in sriracha for 2 years, could well be an edge..
In reply to Post #104
If its high attraction based on chemical flavours then it isn't going to be enough to consistently fool riggy pressured fish.
If the extra attraction is based on natural food ingredients then it's oozing a proper food signal.
If its high attraction based on chemical flavours then it isn't going to be enough to consistently fool riggy pressured fish.
If the extra attraction is based on natural food ingredients then it's oozing a proper food signal.
In reply to Post #105
"riggy pressured fish"
I'm quite lucky (depending on your pov), as in my case their neither of those.
"natural food ingredients"
Only the finest.
"riggy pressured fish"
I'm quite lucky (depending on your pov), as in my case their neither of those.
"natural food ingredients"
Only the finest.