The truth is that it shows the unpredictability of nature, which is a term I use loosely for a farmed fish in a man made hole. Every bait has its day for whatever reason a scientific paper tells you but the reality is if you're not there with that bait, on that day and in the right spot then it's all just scientific theory.
I get the good food source argument but I spend enough feeding my kids and they don't earn me a bean.. if commercial fishery owners want their fish eating ‘fillet steak' then buy it yourself imo.
*obviously not relevant to a proper syndicate or private fishery, where the anglers themselves technically own the fish. But I can think of about half a dozen people on here that probably applies to. Everybody pays
I get the good food source argument but I spend enough feeding my kids and they don't earn me a bean.. if commercial fishery owners want their fish eating ‘fillet steak' then buy it yourself imo.
*obviously not relevant to a proper syndicate or private fishery, where the anglers themselves technically own the fish. But I can think of about half a dozen people on here that probably applies to. Everybody pays
In reply to Post #74
In many cases I would say yes, less bait on the right part of the spot would be more successful than more bait spread over the spot.
But then I guess the other thing is that you can make the spot with lots of bait!
Who knows!
In many cases I would say yes, less bait on the right part of the spot would be more successful than more bait spread over the spot.
But then I guess the other thing is that you can make the spot with lots of bait!
Who knows!
In reply to Post #77
No, i mean i could put 50p's worth of cheap bait on a spot rather than a tenners worth of proper bait.
I could then afford the camo fluffy groundsheet I've been after 😍
No, i mean i could put 50p's worth of cheap bait on a spot rather than a tenners worth of proper bait.
I could then afford the camo fluffy groundsheet I've been after 😍
In reply to Post #64
So sweetcorn and tigers they spit out and don't want to keep eating ?
So sweetcorn and tigers they spit out and don't want to keep eating ?
In reply to Post #74
Absolutely!
If you were able to know exactly THE spot on the day and place your rig there every time you could have a very succesful season using just three bits of plastic corn (or even one, one rod should do it !)
But its not that simple is it, thankfully!
Absolutely!
If you were able to know exactly THE spot on the day and place your rig there every time you could have a very succesful season using just three bits of plastic corn (or even one, one rod should do it !)
But its not that simple is it, thankfully!
In reply to Post #79
Thay blow out all food items, to some extent sometimes
and to taste, I guess this is where the angler needs
To manipulate the situation to get the best response at eny time,
Be that fish confidence in bait eg baiting, tigers and corn are great baits, but there are no wonder baits
Thay blow out all food items, to some extent sometimes
and to taste, I guess this is where the angler needs
To manipulate the situation to get the best response at eny time,
Be that fish confidence in bait eg baiting, tigers and corn are great baits, but there are no wonder baits
In reply to Post #81
I agree 100%. But :
"tigers and corn are great baits, but there are no wonder baits"
So why should "cheap" boilies be any different?
No-one seems to treat them as an alternative to particles rather than an alternative to "good" boilies, except perhaps european anglers on rivers for example. As said earlier in the thread they seem to have good reviews in europe, but then people like cheap stuff so it only has to work OK to get good reviews i suppose!
When you talk about basic boilies you get slated, but what do fishery owners use to top up feeding and optimise growth rates on overstocked (relative to natural food availability) lakes ? For the most part "cheap" pellets and/or cereals. Then again I suppose anglers are happy to pay for the good stuff!
I agree 100%. But :
"tigers and corn are great baits, but there are no wonder baits"
So why should "cheap" boilies be any different?
No-one seems to treat them as an alternative to particles rather than an alternative to "good" boilies, except perhaps european anglers on rivers for example. As said earlier in the thread they seem to have good reviews in europe, but then people like cheap stuff so it only has to work OK to get good reviews i suppose!
When you talk about basic boilies you get slated, but what do fishery owners use to top up feeding and optimise growth rates on overstocked (relative to natural food availability) lakes ? For the most part "cheap" pellets and/or cereals. Then again I suppose anglers are happy to pay for the good stuff!
In reply to Post #82
Good point about feeding by farmers , a few winters ago I fished cheep nash boilies , small amounts dotted around and caught loads, l honestly believe at the time I could not have done better than with a better bait, time and place for everything, carp want different things at different times, that's the problem, but like I say
Just got to stack the odds ,
Good point about feeding by farmers , a few winters ago I fished cheep nash boilies , small amounts dotted around and caught loads, l honestly believe at the time I could not have done better than with a better bait, time and place for everything, carp want different things at different times, that's the problem, but like I say
Just got to stack the odds ,
In reply to Post #83
Fortunate to fish a few quite waters and the nash instant action has been my bait of choice and it has worked for the off. Had a look at these, 3 basic key ingredients, I'm guessing some good vitamins and minerals in a quick release package
Fortunate to fish a few quite waters and the nash instant action has been my bait of choice and it has worked for the off. Had a look at these, 3 basic key ingredients, I'm guessing some good vitamins and minerals in a quick release package
In reply to Post #84
Yes the bait was tailor made imo for what I was trying to achieve
At that time, but usually fish a more nutrition bait and a long campaign, reap rewards, I believe in big fish baits, carp can know and source what's good for them if you get it right,
Cat amongst the pigeons lol
Yes the bait was tailor made imo for what I was trying to achieve
At that time, but usually fish a more nutrition bait and a long campaign, reap rewards, I believe in big fish baits, carp can know and source what's good for them if you get it right,
Cat amongst the pigeons lol
In reply to Post #85
Quality bait has been my choice, not got the knackers to sit behind cheap stuff on experienced fish, could be madness I suppose
Quality bait has been my choice, not got the knackers to sit behind cheap stuff on experienced fish, could be madness I suppose
In reply to Post #86
People are happy to chuck out overflavoured balls of fluff when fishing popups*......
*Yes, I know some are proper baits, not sure that applies to all of them!
People are happy to chuck out overflavoured balls of fluff when fishing popups*......
*Yes, I know some are proper baits, not sure that applies to all of them!
In reply to Post #86
Same here although it's took me a while to settle on a bait company I'm really happy with
Same here although it's took me a while to settle on a bait company I'm really happy with
In reply to Post #87
It's fishing, ain't no rules, it choices. You can either do the pub chuck with a fluro or stick the odds in your favour, feed them, get them eating it and catch fish, not just hope that something comes along and picks it up. Choices, I know where mine are
It's fishing, ain't no rules, it choices. You can either do the pub chuck with a fluro or stick the odds in your favour, feed them, get them eating it and catch fish, not just hope that something comes along and picks it up. Choices, I know where mine are
In reply to Post #72
You have an axe to grind for some reason.
Do a season on the cheap baits, tell us how you get on! If it's that good you will haul.
One bait is better than another that's a fact. So use what you are confident with or what you watch them going mad for.....and why do I sell different hookbaits? Dead simple, there are times when they don't want to eat and I can still trick them into picking one up! And it's a very effective method too.
I'm sure you will carry on grinding anyway so goodnight and tight lines.
You have an axe to grind for some reason.
Do a season on the cheap baits, tell us how you get on! If it's that good you will haul.
One bait is better than another that's a fact. So use what you are confident with or what you watch them going mad for.....and why do I sell different hookbaits? Dead simple, there are times when they don't want to eat and I can still trick them into picking one up! And it's a very effective method too.
I'm sure you will carry on grinding anyway so goodnight and tight lines.