In reply to Post #52
M3 Touring
M3 Touring
Should be changing my Shogun for a Ford grand tourneo connect this afternoon. I wanted something much cheaper to run, cheaper tax, better mpg and cheaper insurance, or so I thought. Shogun (group 31p) renewal �306, Tourneo (group 11e) renewal �361. I really don't know where they get their figures from. Both cars are worth a similar amount, in fact the Shogun would probably be worth more at retail prices.
In reply to Post #62
I went to look at the GTC at a local Ford dealer, very nice, cabin very car like and clean lines. At the time about 4 years ago they were holding their prices very well compared to their rivals, wouldn't be surprised if still the same.
Re prices might be nickability and want of parts, ford vans are always popular that way.
Let us know how you get on
I went to look at the GTC at a local Ford dealer, very nice, cabin very car like and clean lines. At the time about 4 years ago they were holding their prices very well compared to their rivals, wouldn't be surprised if still the same.
Re prices might be nickability and want of parts, ford vans are always popular that way.
Let us know how you get on
In reply to Post #63
I would have thought a Shogun would be seen as pretty nickable, given it's association with ram raids etc.
I can't see the point of insurance groups, they are certainly no guide to premiums.
I've bought the Ford, good point was 64mpg coming home, against 30mpg going. Mines the 5 door car version with a lift up tailgate, though I expect the front end would be interchangeable with the van.
I would have thought a Shogun would be seen as pretty nickable, given it's association with ram raids etc.
I can't see the point of insurance groups, they are certainly no guide to premiums.
I've bought the Ford, good point was 64mpg coming home, against 30mpg going. Mines the 5 door car version with a lift up tailgate, though I expect the front end would be interchangeable with the van.
In reply to Post #64
I've just done Bedfordshire to Bordeaux in the wife's 23 plate X5 50d
Massive, very comfortable, 39mpg over 1400 miles with 2 of us, a roof box and all our gear plus 100 kilo of bait (about 90kg of which came back)
I dont really drive her car but i was was really impressed. Not sure what it would be like pottering about, but for a big cross continent trip it was brilliant
I've just done Bedfordshire to Bordeaux in the wife's 23 plate X5 50d
Massive, very comfortable, 39mpg over 1400 miles with 2 of us, a roof box and all our gear plus 100 kilo of bait (about 90kg of which came back)
I dont really drive her car but i was was really impressed. Not sure what it would be like pottering about, but for a big cross continent trip it was brilliant
Love my BMW 5 series estate. Can get enough gear for myself and wife plus bait for a week in France. 700 miles plus on one tank and I can have fun on A roads where speed limits allow.
In reply to Post #64
I didn't even know the Shogun was associated with ram raids
I'm out of touch.
Very impressive mpg Parts wise a bit like our Rifter being van based and compatible with the Partner/Berlingo/ Pro Ace.
I didn't even know the Shogun was associated with ram raids
I'm out of touch.Very impressive mpg
Parts wise a bit like our Rifter being van based and compatible with the Partner/Berlingo/ Pro Ace.
In reply to Post #65
Current daily is a mapped X5 40d . . .prior to this I had a run of rear wheel drive 330d/335d estates for almost two decades. . .none of which were ideal fishing wagons (based on ride height) but also being used as a daily driver/long range work vehicle were def the best 'all round' solutions . . .never had any issues with any of them - BMW diesel engines are superb . . as long as you change the oil regularly (every 6-7k) and ignore the 'recommended' and quite frankly stupid 17-18k intervals . . .I changed most of mine (unless written off lol) at 150k+ miles and still got a decent return against the next one . .
X5 is good as I'm doing more river fishing these days, especially in the colder months and with rivers, increased ride height and 4WD def comes into its own as tracks and access can be much more challenging than most of todays manicured lakes (have been stuck several times previously with rear wheel drive estates) . . .however whilst I can arrive at the lake in total comfort and blow most other vehicles off the road on the way (even when fully loaded with gear), I'm actually getting depressed at a lifetime of having to unload the barrow / load up and do the same in reverse every time . . .I basically have van envy atm . . .I have wet dreams about ramping the barrow in, strapping it down and leaving it all in the back until the next session.
Seriously considering investing in the 'ultimate' piece of carp tackle for my latter years - as per Pauls (g4fne) post, a dedicated van is calling . . .just want a 4x4 one if poss!
Current daily is a mapped X5 40d . . .prior to this I had a run of rear wheel drive 330d/335d estates for almost two decades. . .none of which were ideal fishing wagons (based on ride height) but also being used as a daily driver/long range work vehicle were def the best 'all round' solutions . . .never had any issues with any of them - BMW diesel engines are superb . . as long as you change the oil regularly (every 6-7k) and ignore the 'recommended' and quite frankly stupid 17-18k intervals . . .I changed most of mine (unless written off lol) at 150k+ miles and still got a decent return against the next one . .
X5 is good as I'm doing more river fishing these days, especially in the colder months and with rivers, increased ride height and 4WD def comes into its own as tracks and access can be much more challenging than most of todays manicured lakes (have been stuck several times previously with rear wheel drive estates) . . .however whilst I can arrive at the lake in total comfort and blow most other vehicles off the road on the way (even when fully loaded with gear), I'm actually getting depressed at a lifetime of having to unload the barrow / load up and do the same in reverse every time . . .I basically have van envy atm . . .I have wet dreams about ramping the barrow in, strapping it down and leaving it all in the back until the next session.
Seriously considering investing in the 'ultimate' piece of carp tackle for my latter years - as per Pauls (g4fne) post, a dedicated van is calling . . .just want a 4x4 one if poss!
In reply to Post #68
I actually had this exact conversation whilst I was out there. Ive got 2 very young kids so only really go fishing twice a year, and always in france, so I decided that the van bit isnt necessary for me
Having driven the wife's car, and been so impressed, when my current car is due to go back, I may well get myself an X5, but probably a 50e as I do a lot of short journeys. I can definitely see what all the fuss is about now though
I actually had this exact conversation whilst I was out there. Ive got 2 very young kids so only really go fishing twice a year, and always in france, so I decided that the van bit isnt necessary for me
Having driven the wife's car, and been so impressed, when my current car is due to go back, I may well get myself an X5, but probably a 50e as I do a lot of short journeys. I can definitely see what all the fuss is about now though
In reply to Post #63
Shogun is pretty untouchable, just had to put ours to the grave in its 23rd year, the engine was still perfect, it became a victim of the salt on British roads in its previous life. Replaced the Shogun with a Range Rover Sport and so far quite impressed. The RR is much more comfortable albeit smaller than the Shogun. We have a LWB Primastar van as well which gets the most use due to the ease of loading/unloading. If only there were something between the two!
Shogun is pretty untouchable, just had to put ours to the grave in its 23rd year, the engine was still perfect, it became a victim of the salt on British roads in its previous life. Replaced the Shogun with a Range Rover Sport and so far quite impressed. The RR is much more comfortable albeit smaller than the Shogun. We have a LWB Primastar van as well which gets the most use due to the ease of loading/unloading. If only there were something between the two!
In reply to Post #70
The RR Sport is a great car just keep an eye on the fuel take sheild, mine went from surface rust to falling off in a matter of weeks
The RR Sport is a great car just keep an eye on the fuel take sheild, mine went from surface rust to falling off in a matter of weeks