In reply to Post #60
I only became a 'gambler', as I understand the game. What I'm doing is not even gambling. I play the bookies at their own game. Reverse what they do, back onto them. That's all.
I've tried to explain some of that game, just so people understand, that there is a world that they do not understand when it comes to online games for cash. The online poker sites are all rigged at lower stakes. Computer programs, that churn out constant results that defy statistical logic for those that understand. But that absolutely maximise profit for the owners of the computer model. By a high turnover of players paying into new games constantly. That's how they make their money. Russian programmes, on Russian owned sites.
The computerisation of gambling on the internet allows for untold wrong doing that was never possible previously.
The FOBT's I spoke about were computerised, but just before the internet. The damage was seen on our high streets of what these computer programs could do to normally sane people. Turn them into absolute lunatics. It was lucky the internet had never been invented yet, or they would have gone straight online and no one would still be the wiser. What do you think the people who came up with those machines are all up to now? On the internet, away from prying eyes in the main? Those computer programmes will still be running. Just in online casinos, away from prying eyes. Fifteen years on the tech will be far greater too.
Be super careful when playing any comps or monetary gambling when a computer program runs the show. A computer program can be set anyhow the owner decides, at any time too. To an outcome of their choice.
If you chose to believe that goodwill fairies run the gambling on the internet. That's up to you.
I only became a 'gambler', as I understand the game. What I'm doing is not even gambling. I play the bookies at their own game. Reverse what they do, back onto them. That's all.
I've tried to explain some of that game, just so people understand, that there is a world that they do not understand when it comes to online games for cash. The online poker sites are all rigged at lower stakes. Computer programs, that churn out constant results that defy statistical logic for those that understand. But that absolutely maximise profit for the owners of the computer model. By a high turnover of players paying into new games constantly. That's how they make their money. Russian programmes, on Russian owned sites.
The computerisation of gambling on the internet allows for untold wrong doing that was never possible previously.
The FOBT's I spoke about were computerised, but just before the internet. The damage was seen on our high streets of what these computer programs could do to normally sane people. Turn them into absolute lunatics. It was lucky the internet had never been invented yet, or they would have gone straight online and no one would still be the wiser. What do you think the people who came up with those machines are all up to now? On the internet, away from prying eyes in the main? Those computer programmes will still be running. Just in online casinos, away from prying eyes. Fifteen years on the tech will be far greater too.
Be super careful when playing any comps or monetary gambling when a computer program runs the show. A computer program can be set anyhow the owner decides, at any time too. To an outcome of their choice.
If you chose to believe that goodwill fairies run the gambling on the internet. That's up to you.
In reply to Post #61
Fascinating stuff Mark. You are good at translating the complex in a manner that can be understood.
Fascinating stuff Mark. You are good at translating the complex in a manner that can be understood.
In reply to Post #61
No mate I don't believe in goodwill fairies, my money stays in my pocket.
No mate I don't believe in goodwill fairies, my money stays in my pocket.
In reply to Post #63
Sorry my fault, that comment was not directed at you. It was directed at people who spend lots of money on these competitions. They are pushed at people on low incomes, who want the luxury lifestyle they cannot afford.
Like I mentioned earlier, I have an aunt who is absolutely addicted to a non angling version of the same thing. She's spending up to £25 a day that she cannot afford too. It's become a big talking point in our large extended family.
That's what people do not see. She has become fixated by them. It's sad. She has no use for the prizes. She's at the end of her life and bedridden. She's addicted to the gamble bless her. There will be many many more like my aunt. These competition sites are the new big thing, not just in fishing.
Sorry my fault, that comment was not directed at you. It was directed at people who spend lots of money on these competitions. They are pushed at people on low incomes, who want the luxury lifestyle they cannot afford.
Like I mentioned earlier, I have an aunt who is absolutely addicted to a non angling version of the same thing. She's spending up to £25 a day that she cannot afford too. It's become a big talking point in our large extended family.
That's what people do not see. She has become fixated by them. It's sad. She has no use for the prizes. She's at the end of her life and bedridden. She's addicted to the gamble bless her. There will be many many more like my aunt. These competition sites are the new big thing, not just in fishing.
In reply to Post #64
Pretty sure you could say the same thing for any form of gambling.
Pretty sure you could say the same thing for any form of gambling.
In reply to Post #65
Of course. But that's why there are regulations, legislation, that protect people like my aunt from being bombarded with emails and texts. Legislation that protects how much they are fleeced for. It's gambling, without the rules to protect vulnerable people.
There's a specific reason these competitions are run as raffles with a question first, to avoid legislation that is imposed on all forms of gambling. It's the same with the comps on the radio for big money. £2.50 per minute phone calls. Run as a raffle, ask a dopey question. Avoids gambling legislation and rules. Big money to be made.
That's the BIG difference. That's the BIG problem with what you are defending.
Of course. But that's why there are regulations, legislation, that protect people like my aunt from being bombarded with emails and texts. Legislation that protects how much they are fleeced for. It's gambling, without the rules to protect vulnerable people.
There's a specific reason these competitions are run as raffles with a question first, to avoid legislation that is imposed on all forms of gambling. It's the same with the comps on the radio for big money. £2.50 per minute phone calls. Run as a raffle, ask a dopey question. Avoids gambling legislation and rules. Big money to be made.
That's the BIG difference. That's the BIG problem with what you are defending.
I'm pretty bored today. Women are all out shopping, it's so hot here at mo, can't venture outside between midday and 14:00. I'm indoors with the air con on full blast.
Can someone help me as to how these comps are actually decided? I saw just before Xmas a fishing one advertising a £100K cash prize. The national lottery, it was all done on live TV, under strict regulation. How is it decided, who actually wins the prizes, the £100k cash and the like in these online comps? I'm genuinely interested and have zero clue whatsoever.
£100k is chunky money.
Can someone help me as to how these comps are actually decided? I saw just before Xmas a fishing one advertising a £100K cash prize. The national lottery, it was all done on live TV, under strict regulation. How is it decided, who actually wins the prizes, the £100k cash and the like in these online comps? I'm genuinely interested and have zero clue whatsoever.
£100k is chunky money.
In reply to Post #67
Some are automated draws and some of the big prizes are drawn live on Facebook for the ones I've seen.
Some are automated draws and some of the big prizes are drawn live on Facebook for the ones I've seen.
List of entrants all allocated a number. Online random number generator
Thank you both.
I am certainly not questioning any of the current carp related comps. I am sure they are totally legit. It would seem there is big money to be made anyway. The problems come when others open up a competition company, with bad intentions. That is what happens when large amounts of money are involved, an easy scam, unregulated too. A car crash waiting to happen.
Even if you know absolutely zero about anything spoken about in this thread. You understand human greed, and peoples capacity to do anything whatsoever when large sums of cash are involved.
I'd trust no one when it comes to large sums of cash. Human nature has a way of it normally always ending up the same way somewhere down the line.
I am certainly not questioning any of the current carp related comps. I am sure they are totally legit. It would seem there is big money to be made anyway. The problems come when others open up a competition company, with bad intentions. That is what happens when large amounts of money are involved, an easy scam, unregulated too. A car crash waiting to happen.
Even if you know absolutely zero about anything spoken about in this thread. You understand human greed, and peoples capacity to do anything whatsoever when large sums of cash are involved.
I'd trust no one when it comes to large sums of cash. Human nature has a way of it normally always ending up the same way somewhere down the line.
In reply to Post #67
So you have zero clue about how they're run but you call them a scam?
So you have zero clue about how they're run but you call them a scam?
In reply to Post #71
Of course. But that's why there are regulations, legislation, that protect people like my aunt from being bombarded with emails and texts. Legislation that protects how much they are fleeced for. It's gambling, without the rules to protect vulnerable people.
You completely ignored this above Stark?
Why the need to circumnavigate gambling laws? That in itself is not right. It's quite simple. It's allowing competition sites to bombard vulnerable customers with emails and texts. Other forms of gambling are not allowed to do this.
Could you point out where I said it was a scam? I gave examples of what happens in other forms of regulated gambling from previous knowledge and pointed out the horrific odds. This is unregulated gambling, under the guise of a raffle, right? That's where the question of dubiousness comes in.
To administer any form of gambling in the UK, you need a gaming licence. You need a fit and proper persons check. A far more detailed check the higher you go with it. These competitions are clearly skirting that. Any sod can start one up. That in itself is a big problem when large sums of cash are involved I'd have thought?
I understand enough Stark. Just not not how the competitions are decided.
Of course. But that's why there are regulations, legislation, that protect people like my aunt from being bombarded with emails and texts. Legislation that protects how much they are fleeced for. It's gambling, without the rules to protect vulnerable people.
You completely ignored this above Stark?
Why the need to circumnavigate gambling laws? That in itself is not right. It's quite simple. It's allowing competition sites to bombard vulnerable customers with emails and texts. Other forms of gambling are not allowed to do this.
Could you point out where I said it was a scam? I gave examples of what happens in other forms of regulated gambling from previous knowledge and pointed out the horrific odds. This is unregulated gambling, under the guise of a raffle, right? That's where the question of dubiousness comes in.
To administer any form of gambling in the UK, you need a gaming licence. You need a fit and proper persons check. A far more detailed check the higher you go with it. These competitions are clearly skirting that. Any sod can start one up. That in itself is a big problem when large sums of cash are involved I'd have thought?
I understand enough Stark. Just not not how the competitions are decided.
In reply to Post #67
There was a local one on fb I used to dabble on now and again. The reason was because it didnt have a massive following. I would wait for the midweek draws (not as popular) wait until the very end of the deadline and see how many tickets had been sold and work out the odds, if i fancied it i'd have a go. These draws where done live on fb, using google random number generator, showing the date and time etc. The bigger raffles with these big companies.... ive no idea how they draw them? These bigger companies that do them... the odds are rediculous and not worth it imo
Fully agree with what youve said previously here.... these raffles need regulating... its alright saying "people should have self control" but i genuinly dont think that some people fully understand odds. They see others winning and think they must win. Then before they know it they are regularly pumping cash into these, more and more. And its usually by those who cant afford to. Like has been said, its the vounerable that need protection and right now there seems to be no regulation.... nothing like bookies anyway.
To add... ive actually seen winners announced.... and them poppi g up on fb and saying, oh what have i won? What is it? They literally had no idea what they was buying tickets for... they just wanted to win something
There was a local one on fb I used to dabble on now and again. The reason was because it didnt have a massive following. I would wait for the midweek draws (not as popular) wait until the very end of the deadline and see how many tickets had been sold and work out the odds, if i fancied it i'd have a go. These draws where done live on fb, using google random number generator, showing the date and time etc. The bigger raffles with these big companies.... ive no idea how they draw them? These bigger companies that do them... the odds are rediculous and not worth it imo
Fully agree with what youve said previously here.... these raffles need regulating... its alright saying "people should have self control" but i genuinly dont think that some people fully understand odds. They see others winning and think they must win. Then before they know it they are regularly pumping cash into these, more and more. And its usually by those who cant afford to. Like has been said, its the vounerable that need protection and right now there seems to be no regulation.... nothing like bookies anyway.
To add... ive actually seen winners announced.... and them poppi g up on fb and saying, oh what have i won? What is it? They literally had no idea what they was buying tickets for... they just wanted to win something
Very few people understand even the most simple odds. Take the following question, if the answer isn't obvious to you then you shouldn't be gambling unless you get enough joy from it to make losing your stake worth the cost:
Suppose you're on a game show, and you're given the choice of three doors: Behind one door is a car; behind the others, goats. You pick a door, say No. 1, and the host, who knows what's behind the doors, opens another door, say No. 3, which has a goat. He then says to you, "Do you want to pick door No. 2?" Is it to your advantage to switch your choice?
Answer
FWIW I don't gamble because I can't begin to understand odds at the speed that I'd need to for me not to be “the sucker at the table”
Suppose you're on a game show, and you're given the choice of three doors: Behind one door is a car; behind the others, goats. You pick a door, say No. 1, and the host, who knows what's behind the doors, opens another door, say No. 3, which has a goat. He then says to you, "Do you want to pick door No. 2?" Is it to your advantage to switch your choice?
Answer
FWIW I don't gamble because I can't begin to understand odds at the speed that I'd need to for me not to be “the sucker at the table”
In reply to Post #73
Quote.... There was a local one on fb I used to dabble on now and again.
It's happening on a simply massive scale clearly.
Everyone is now opening up a competition site it would seem.
Quote.... There was a local one on fb I used to dabble on now and again.
It's happening on a simply massive scale clearly.
Everyone is now opening up a competition site it would seem.