In reply to Post #70
Don't be silly.....
Don't be silly.....
In reply to Post #71
In reply to Post #69
some people just dont get it mozzi that everybody is entitled to there own opinion so why they get so upset over it is beyond me and you keep on with your help towards comments on this site as i for one enjoy it and definitely learnt from them and still am
some people just dont get it mozzi that everybody is entitled to there own opinion so why they get so upset over it is beyond me and you keep on with your help towards comments on this site as i for one enjoy it and definitely learnt from them and still am
In reply to Post #69
I realise John's flavours are not low cost like some, but they share no similarity to cheap flavours, in their make up and complexity, and I would not class them as extortionate, nor a rip off. Using 5 of his flavours in my hookbaits there is nothing out there that I could replace them with for any money and expect the same results at least.
This recent move does puzzle me however; there must be more facts under the surface if true..
I realise John's flavours are not low cost like some, but they share no similarity to cheap flavours, in their make up and complexity, and I would not class them as extortionate, nor a rip off. Using 5 of his flavours in my hookbaits there is nothing out there that I could replace them with for any money and expect the same results at least.
This recent move does puzzle me however; there must be more facts under the surface if true..
In reply to Post #74
For gods sake don't tell anyone you are using his flavours.
For gods sake don't tell anyone you are using his flavours.
In reply to Post #74
Extortionate is a tub of popups going for more than 10quid Not even if it contains Hutchies or JB´s Jizz 
Extortionate is a tub of popups going for more than 10quid Not even if it contains Hutchies or JB´s Jizz
In reply to Post #74
I'm going to be controversial here, particularly as I really rate his flavours. But to my untrained nose I couldn't tell any difference between his maple and the BAF maple+. Obviously there's a huge difference between a lot of his and the competition.
I'm going to be controversial here, particularly as I really rate his flavours. But to my untrained nose I couldn't tell any difference between his maple and the BAF maple+. Obviously there's a huge difference between a lot of his and the competition.
In reply to Post #77
Can I be a leveller here.
Flavours........they are made by people who have nothing to do with fishing (in most cases)
To source good flavours you need to find the people who make them in the first place
If mr baker gets a bit upset about people using his branded flavours and wants to make it impossible to announce that they are using it, isn't that just counter productive.
No single company makes an entire range of flavours that suit bait making hence why you need to shop around.
I really like John, he's a very intelligent bloke and a nice one too, he knows plenty about making hnv baits and he's certainly found a few nice flavours over the years. But........will his plum flavour turn you or an average bait into Terry Hearn and a super boilie?
I actually think some of the best flavours no longer exist. I say this because I have spent years looking for things and tracing them back to the makers only to find that law changes made them banned in animal feeds years ago. I work with a flavour producer who was behind many of rod Hutchinson's flavours and many many others we all know well, but even he has limits on what can now be reproduced. One major problem with the flavours we use is that they are destroyed by heat! A good flavour is one that isn't degraded in the cooking process. The best flavours came from some very random companies!
John has some good ones for sure but I can't understand why he wouldn't want all the publicity he can get when he sells flavours to the public. And how many people actually make bait these days? I wouldn't want to rely on the sales of flavours in a world where so few make bait.
Can I be a leveller here.
Flavours........they are made by people who have nothing to do with fishing (in most cases)
To source good flavours you need to find the people who make them in the first place
If mr baker gets a bit upset about people using his branded flavours and wants to make it impossible to announce that they are using it, isn't that just counter productive.
No single company makes an entire range of flavours that suit bait making hence why you need to shop around.
I really like John, he's a very intelligent bloke and a nice one too, he knows plenty about making hnv baits and he's certainly found a few nice flavours over the years. But........will his plum flavour turn you or an average bait into Terry Hearn and a super boilie?
I actually think some of the best flavours no longer exist. I say this because I have spent years looking for things and tracing them back to the makers only to find that law changes made them banned in animal feeds years ago. I work with a flavour producer who was behind many of rod Hutchinson's flavours and many many others we all know well, but even he has limits on what can now be reproduced. One major problem with the flavours we use is that they are destroyed by heat! A good flavour is one that isn't degraded in the cooking process. The best flavours came from some very random companies!
John has some good ones for sure but I can't understand why he wouldn't want all the publicity he can get when he sells flavours to the public. And how many people actually make bait these days? I wouldn't want to rely on the sales of flavours in a world where so few make bait.
In reply to Post #77
I believe the proper maple flavours are based on fenugreek extract so they would smell similar.
I like BAF flavours and have had good results with them
I believe the proper maple flavours are based on fenugreek extract so they would smell similar.
I like BAF flavours and have had good results with them
In reply to Post #78
perfectly put
ive consulted for some of the largest flavour manufactures in the world, and when they have a "sale", its amazing to see who turns up from the fishing world
perfectly put
ive consulted for some of the largest flavour manufactures in the world, and when they have a "sale", its amazing to see who turns up from the fishing world
In reply to Post #78
I'm waiting on some samples from a flavour house that as far as I know has nothing or very little to do with angling. I'm expecting them to be complete gash, but like you say unless you look outside of angling how will you ever discover an edge or even something a bit different and interesting
I'm waiting on some samples from a flavour house that as far as I know has nothing or very little to do with angling. I'm expecting them to be complete gash, but like you say unless you look outside of angling how will you ever discover an edge or even something a bit different and interesting
In reply to Post #77
I agree, I cannot distinguish between the JB maple and the BAF one simply by smell. I'm hoping the fish can't as well as my next bait is going to contain the BAF one.
I agree, I cannot distinguish between the JB maple and the BAF one simply by smell. I'm hoping the fish can't as well as my next bait is going to contain the BAF one.
In reply to Post #81
one flavour company i deal with produce over 80 variations of raspberry, all compounded to do different things in different products
one flavour company i deal with produce over 80 variations of raspberry, all compounded to do different things in different products
In reply to Post #81
I once found a really nice fruit flavour from a company who make sweets (makes sense when you think about it) so never be afraid to experiment
I once found a really nice fruit flavour from a company who make sweets (makes sense when you think about it) so never be afraid to experiment
In reply to Post #84
I think what will kill it for me might be the minimum order size requirements. A lot seem happy to supply samples, but then further investigations show they have 20-100kg min orders which obviously isn't gonna be viable for a hobby roller.
I think what will kill it for me might be the minimum order size requirements. A lot seem happy to supply samples, but then further investigations show they have 20-100kg min orders which obviously isn't gonna be viable for a hobby roller.