In reply to Post #60
I have since fed them shelf life's with no obvious detrimental effects. I wonder if that batch had excess levels of mpg (I have never seen that bait go off even after a 16 months of trying).......I'm a big believer in Fresh bait, fresh eggs etc but I'm also incredibly old fashioned when it comes to boilies. Those shelf life baits that are like bullets and would survive the nuclear Holocaust can't be good for carp surely 😂😭😭
I have since fed them shelf life's with no obvious detrimental effects. I wonder if that batch had excess levels of mpg (I have never seen that bait go off even after a 16 months of trying).......I'm a big believer in Fresh bait, fresh eggs etc but I'm also incredibly old fashioned when it comes to boilies. Those shelf life baits that are like bullets and would survive the nuclear Holocaust can't be good for carp surely 😂😭😭
In reply to Post #59
Just a thought, did they eat the pellet or leave that too?
Just a thought, did they eat the pellet or leave that too?
In reply to Post #57
Which is why there's better preservatives than MPG! MPG can also deoxygenate water in high doses.
I think the day ticket water arguments don't really hold up as a comparison - broadly speaking they are heavily stocked waters that see a vast amount of different baits, the fish have no idea what they've eaten. People also don't usually put “campaigns” in to establish better baits, there's no point.
Home freezing doesn't “kill” the vast majority of enzymes/bacteria, it just slows it down - which is why food still has a “shelf life” when its in the freezer. The reason air dried baits don't turn properly is because you've taken away the moisture, and you need heat and water for the bacteria to work. Soak them for a bit, leave them somewhere warrm and they'll start turning.
I still think the original Grange was the best bait that Mainline ever made......
Which is why there's better preservatives than MPG! MPG can also deoxygenate water in high doses.
I think the day ticket water arguments don't really hold up as a comparison - broadly speaking they are heavily stocked waters that see a vast amount of different baits, the fish have no idea what they've eaten. People also don't usually put “campaigns” in to establish better baits, there's no point.
Home freezing doesn't “kill” the vast majority of enzymes/bacteria, it just slows it down - which is why food still has a “shelf life” when its in the freezer. The reason air dried baits don't turn properly is because you've taken away the moisture, and you need heat and water for the bacteria to work. Soak them for a bit, leave them somewhere warrm and they'll start turning.
I still think the original Grange was the best bait that Mainline ever made......
In reply to Post #62
They never ever ever leave pellet
They never ever ever leave pellet
In reply to Post #64
interesting
interesting
In reply to Post #64
Have you tested different preservatives to see the affects on carp , potassium sorbate, citric Acid ( not sure at what level this can become a sole preservative ) even salt.
Personally I use Sorbate at low levels depending on the mix and breakdown times are near identical but I only air dry for 24 hours to retain as much moisture as possible.
Have you tested different preservatives to see the affects on carp , potassium sorbate, citric Acid ( not sure at what level this can become a sole preservative ) even salt.
Personally I use Sorbate at low levels depending on the mix and breakdown times are near identical but I only air dry for 24 hours to retain as much moisture as possible.
In reply to Post #66
I wasn't involved in testing of preserves on a technical level, I have merely had dealings with one of the guys who ran the tests. His conclusions were that in a tank, fed only on preserved bait, the carp would not prosper. But the fact that carp in a lake would not only eat preserved bait, they would be ok. Different brands use different preserves and different levels with their baits. There are different grades of preserves too which we all consume without even realising. Excessive levels of salt will probably do them no good either. I'm always happier with baits with no preserves or at least the lowest level possible
I wasn't involved in testing of preserves on a technical level, I have merely had dealings with one of the guys who ran the tests. His conclusions were that in a tank, fed only on preserved bait, the carp would not prosper. But the fact that carp in a lake would not only eat preserved bait, they would be ok. Different brands use different preserves and different levels with their baits. There are different grades of preserves too which we all consume without even realising. Excessive levels of salt will probably do them no good either. I'm always happier with baits with no preserves or at least the lowest level possible
In reply to Post #67
No problem and thank you 👍🏻
No problem and thank you 👍🏻
In reply to Post #68
Hydra k. One of the best baits to come out in the last 10 years, i have no doubt about that whatsoever. And do ABS do a shelf life version? No. Why? Because a lot of the goodies in the bait dont work preserved.
QED
Hydra k. One of the best baits to come out in the last 10 years, i have no doubt about that whatsoever. And do ABS do a shelf life version? No. Why? Because a lot of the goodies in the bait dont work preserved.
QED
In reply to Post #66
Did some testing too.
Finally, the best results were obtained using a combi of organic acids and antioxidants which are also used in some koi feed.
Did some testing too.
Finally, the best results were obtained using a combi of organic acids and antioxidants which are also used in some koi feed.