In reply to Post #44
Just to reiterate, Geoffs business is his and I have no ill will towards him. do I put his baits in the same calibre as others? not all no, the four mentioned in another thread where two exceptional smaller firms and two very good larger firms with pristine units and high sales volumes, low profit margins that are sustainable due to the amount shifted. his baits serve a purpose and long may that continue, but I won't sit here and call something, something that it isn't.
Im really not out to upset people but there is a lot wrong with the bait world at the moment, people claiming others consultants blanked until using their gear, people rebagging cheap euro bait to sell as premium, people misleading the customer with smoke and mirrors etc, there is virtually no transparency. I;'ve even watched videos of some smaller firms claiming they have bespoke fishmeals etc manufactured in norway, it frustrates me.
Yes its no secret I own a bait company but I don't piss around the pot with superlatives and a hard sell, I tell the truth as I see fit on here and if anything, despite not naming my company, I've had people contacting me over here and facebook wanting to use my baits because they agree with my values.
I'm not everyones cup of tea and i'll never say I am, but what I am is something that speaks out without a paper spine, makes brilliant baits, and responds to ever single bait question I get be in inbox, text, messenger, irregardless if it leads to a sale or makes my work day longer.
anyway, my mental health was in the pan because of certain people, but I've learnt to like myself again and hang around the right people so Im not overly bothered of what the forum dwellers think anymore lol.
As you elude, there are some genuine reasons that I dislike certain firms, I could show people pictures of mouldy units, rat droppings in the mixers, factual inaccuracies, messages from other firms, demonstrative of a lack of knowledge / care etc BUT I receive that info because people know I'll call others out whilst keeping it confidential. if I tell someone i'll keep their name out of it, be that an individualised experience of direct wuote or photo, then I stick to my word. I could name two forum members, one a very very well respected person on here whos sent multiple photos of a certain bait firms contract rolling arriving in breadcrumb sacks, same with a les well known member, In effect forcing their hand to helping to validate a claim I make, but I wont, because I said I wouldn't. if thats me on the social pyre because of it then thats just the consequence,
I could just ignore it and crack on but there is little more frustrating if you do a job properly than having to sit and listen to others glorify the cowboys.
I do apologise I can't further verify some things.
Just to reiterate, Geoffs business is his and I have no ill will towards him. do I put his baits in the same calibre as others? not all no, the four mentioned in another thread where two exceptional smaller firms and two very good larger firms with pristine units and high sales volumes, low profit margins that are sustainable due to the amount shifted. his baits serve a purpose and long may that continue, but I won't sit here and call something, something that it isn't.
Im really not out to upset people but there is a lot wrong with the bait world at the moment, people claiming others consultants blanked until using their gear, people rebagging cheap euro bait to sell as premium, people misleading the customer with smoke and mirrors etc, there is virtually no transparency. I;'ve even watched videos of some smaller firms claiming they have bespoke fishmeals etc manufactured in norway, it frustrates me.
Yes its no secret I own a bait company but I don't piss around the pot with superlatives and a hard sell, I tell the truth as I see fit on here and if anything, despite not naming my company, I've had people contacting me over here and facebook wanting to use my baits because they agree with my values.
I'm not everyones cup of tea and i'll never say I am, but what I am is something that speaks out without a paper spine, makes brilliant baits, and responds to ever single bait question I get be in inbox, text, messenger, irregardless if it leads to a sale or makes my work day longer.
anyway, my mental health was in the pan because of certain people, but I've learnt to like myself again and hang around the right people so Im not overly bothered of what the forum dwellers think anymore lol.
As you elude, there are some genuine reasons that I dislike certain firms, I could show people pictures of mouldy units, rat droppings in the mixers, factual inaccuracies, messages from other firms, demonstrative of a lack of knowledge / care etc BUT I receive that info because people know I'll call others out whilst keeping it confidential. if I tell someone i'll keep their name out of it, be that an individualised experience of direct wuote or photo, then I stick to my word. I could name two forum members, one a very very well respected person on here whos sent multiple photos of a certain bait firms contract rolling arriving in breadcrumb sacks, same with a les well known member, In effect forcing their hand to helping to validate a claim I make, but I wont, because I said I wouldn't. if thats me on the social pyre because of it then thats just the consequence,
I could just ignore it and crack on but there is little more frustrating if you do a job properly than having to sit and listen to others glorify the cowboys.
I do apologise I can't further verify some things.
In reply to Post #46
It's pretty obvious who the ‘very very respected' bait maker is in your post. There are only a handful of actual bait makers still on here and only one who regularly posts used to get their bait contract rolled by ABS (while employed elsewhere).
Anyone who has been on here for a while will remember a public disagreement on the forum when that relationship went pear shaped.
I wouldn't be happy to be outed for sending photographs like that if I was them.
It's pretty obvious who the ‘very very respected' bait maker is in your post. There are only a handful of actual bait makers still on here and only one who regularly posts used to get their bait contract rolled by ABS (while employed elsewhere).
Anyone who has been on here for a while will remember a public disagreement on the forum when that relationship went pear shaped.
I wouldn't be happy to be outed for sending photographs like that if I was them.
In reply to Post #45
Yet again, you're completely missing the point. I don't care how magical you are at making bait, who's garage floor you've swept or who's round balls you've had the pleasure of rolling in your hands.
As someone 'in the trade' it's unprofessional to come on a public forum & start slating other companies. That's it. There's nothing more to it.
You've been called out time & time again but still seem to think it's OK to come on here slagging other companies off, whether your information is correct or not. That seems to be the bit you just can't wrap your head around.
Nobody has forgotten the times you've been called out by other manufacturers either.
Yet again, you're completely missing the point. I don't care how magical you are at making bait, who's garage floor you've swept or who's round balls you've had the pleasure of rolling in your hands.
As someone 'in the trade' it's unprofessional to come on a public forum & start slating other companies. That's it. There's nothing more to it.
You've been called out time & time again but still seem to think it's OK to come on here slagging other companies off, whether your information is correct or not. That seems to be the bit you just can't wrap your head around.
Nobody has forgotten the times you've been called out by other manufacturers either.
I just don't get how one can call a bait average or not as good as other company's Baits when it clearly catches fish and a lot of them. Maybe it don't contain a lot of high end Ingrediants or has a lot of so called low end. but it works over and over again. catch reports tell you if a bait is good not the make up. I don't care if a bait costs £12 to produce or £4 I'd go with the one that gets results and has a good customer service.
as said it's unprofessional and very sad.
as said it's unprofessional and very sad.
In reply to Post #46
Your second paragraph....
The bait game has NEVER been any different...the are just so many of them these days all confessing to be something, all of them, especially the small ones with lots of google time coming up with stuff in their heads to try and make them look like they are some sort of scientist...they arent. Its all about profit and bravado ...and its boring
Your second paragraph....
The bait game has NEVER been any different...the are just so many of them these days all confessing to be something, all of them, especially the small ones with lots of google time coming up with stuff in their heads to try and make them look like they are some sort of scientist...they arent. Its all about profit and bravado ...and its boring
Can we please get back to the topic? It was a really interesting topic until the same sh*t happened that happens in EVERY interesting bait topic.
In reply to Post #51
Agreed.
Agreed.
In reply to Post #48
I've not slagged it off, Ive said its not as good as the others mentioned?
if I say you're not as good at swimming s michael pheps Im not slagging you off lol
I've not slagged it off, Ive said its not as good as the others mentioned?
if I say you're not as good at swimming s michael pheps Im not slagging you off lol
In reply to Post #50
now imagine trying to be honest and not use the superlatives, its not boring as much as its frustrating.
now imagine trying to be honest and not use the superlatives, its not boring as much as its frustrating.
In reply to Post #51
Apologies, if you look back DarkoL knew I'd react to the bread comment, you're right it was interesting. I need to try not to let people goad me. then blame me for saying the things they set it up for me to say.
Apologies, if you look back DarkoL knew I'd react to the bread comment, you're right it was interesting. I need to try not to let people goad me. then blame me for saying the things they set it up for me to say.
In reply to Post #55
Look guys, the forum is becoming something that is almost impossible to watch or read now.
I have sat and watched the bait section for years, then dropped it for months and then browsed it again.
I don't want to comment on all of the subjects that appear and it is far too easy to listen to hearsay or rumours. There are some clever people here and some bitter ones too.
For all of the members who want to learn something I suggest you look elsewhere or perhaps private message some of the bait makers on other platforms as it becomes a slanging match on here.
It is impossible to all agree.
Now I know for a fact that there are some very true statements made on this thread that would tarnish some very well liked brands but instead of calling out these companies and arguing on here I suggest that you just let them get on with it.
What's happened in the past is the past. We as individuals can't change what others are doing or have done. If you do things well and honestly then you will do just fine in this industry. Slag people off and making claims about things that you may or may not actually know isn't good for business.
I don't agree with certain people on the forum but I do respect that they make good things. I also know when they post utter lies.
Everyone gets found out in the end.
Concentrate on what you do and not what others do.
The proof in how good your products are come directly from catch reports. You can be the biggest ******** in the world but if you make good baits then anglers will catch plenty.
I feel for the people who just want to know what works and what doesn't !!
Look guys, the forum is becoming something that is almost impossible to watch or read now.
I have sat and watched the bait section for years, then dropped it for months and then browsed it again.
I don't want to comment on all of the subjects that appear and it is far too easy to listen to hearsay or rumours. There are some clever people here and some bitter ones too.
For all of the members who want to learn something I suggest you look elsewhere or perhaps private message some of the bait makers on other platforms as it becomes a slanging match on here.
It is impossible to all agree.
Now I know for a fact that there are some very true statements made on this thread that would tarnish some very well liked brands but instead of calling out these companies and arguing on here I suggest that you just let them get on with it.
What's happened in the past is the past. We as individuals can't change what others are doing or have done. If you do things well and honestly then you will do just fine in this industry. Slag people off and making claims about things that you may or may not actually know isn't good for business.
I don't agree with certain people on the forum but I do respect that they make good things. I also know when they post utter lies.
Everyone gets found out in the end.
Concentrate on what you do and not what others do.
The proof in how good your products are come directly from catch reports. You can be the biggest ******** in the world but if you make good baits then anglers will catch plenty.
I feel for the people who just want to know what works and what doesn't !!
In reply to Post #56
Sorry if I don't respond to this soon as I'm having a busy spell and dealing with a lot of emails and messages at the moment
Sorry if I don't respond to this soon as I'm having a busy spell and dealing with a lot of emails and messages at the moment
In reply to Post #56
I don't disagree, but when I try to simply help others seem to try and twist it back on top a slagging match. It's hard for me mentally to mute that. Appreciate your words though
I don't disagree, but when I try to simply help others seem to try and twist it back on top a slagging match. It's hard for me mentally to mute that. Appreciate your words though
Anyone reading the thread from the beginning and actually digesting the posts will see some only post to antagonise dragging the thread down.
Just to get things a little back on topic to what is an interesting thread, if the carps senses are indeed much more sensitive to ours (without doubt imo) then if for instance you have a 3 acre pool that gets hit with litres of stimulants then surely the carp will be swimming around in a soup of attraction which overtime could result in them becoming "numb" to it. Where do we then turn to for a new source of attraction?