In reply to Post #44
The countryside alliance are thugs and anyone that is associated with them deserves to be tarred with the same brush IMO. I absolutely despise fox hunting in all of its iterations and have seen firsthand what some of these guys do. I won't go into detail here but quite a few have appeared before the courts. Stiffer sentences are very much welcomed but normally its their mates giving out the slap on the wrist
Hmm!
Hunt saboteurs who have been recorded trespassing and threatening farmers, and drag hunters...
Some hefty sentences have just been handed out to some of these thugs...
I think you may be barking up the wrong tree with your post😉
The countryside alliance are thugs and anyone that is associated with them deserves to be tarred with the same brush IMO. I absolutely despise fox hunting in all of its iterations and have seen firsthand what some of these guys do. I won't go into detail here but quite a few have appeared before the courts. Stiffer sentences are very much welcomed but normally its their mates giving out the slap on the wrist
Hmm!
Hunt saboteurs who have been recorded trespassing and threatening farmers, and drag hunters...
Some hefty sentences have just been handed out to some of these thugs...
I think you may be barking up the wrong tree with your post😉
In reply to Post #44
Alpha-Male you sound like a proper Cuck
Alpha-Male you sound like a proper Cuck
In reply to Post #41
Aidey - that's a fair point.
I suppose I'd say that there's probably more support / less vitriol when it comes to us harmless blokes on wicker baskets than there is for the white jodhpur / tally ho brigade...
Plus - fishing is still regarded as a sport / pastime that's accessible for all rather than an elite upper class.
as said - I can't see a ban, maybe some guidelines. The point about this aw simply replacing the existing EU one that we'd already been working to is a good one. I expect there are a lot more of these happening.
Aidey - that's a fair point.
I suppose I'd say that there's probably more support / less vitriol when it comes to us harmless blokes on wicker baskets than there is for the white jodhpur / tally ho brigade...
Plus - fishing is still regarded as a sport / pastime that's accessible for all rather than an elite upper class.
as said - I can't see a ban, maybe some guidelines. The point about this aw simply replacing the existing EU one that we'd already been working to is a good one. I expect there are a lot more of these happening.
Folks I read a lot about appeasement from Angling Trust, refusing to speak out against issues that might be unpopular with the general public, it is the road to disaster.
The greens, the liberals, the vegans, the animal rights people, they all want angling banned, anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool. We should be fighting on every front against any issue that affects angling, be that otters, cormorants, alleged cruelty, the NT wacky ideas on removing carp, not picking and choosing our battles like the AT suggest.
And yes we should have stood shoulder to shoulder with the Countryside Alliance over the hunting issue.
I'm in my 60's I will probably be okay but you young guys, I feel for you, the days of fishing are numbered but we can go down fighting and you never know common sense might win out but not unless we speak out.
The greens, the liberals, the vegans, the animal rights people, they all want angling banned, anyone who thinks otherwise is a fool. We should be fighting on every front against any issue that affects angling, be that otters, cormorants, alleged cruelty, the NT wacky ideas on removing carp, not picking and choosing our battles like the AT suggest.
And yes we should have stood shoulder to shoulder with the Countryside Alliance over the hunting issue.
I'm in my 60's I will probably be okay but you young guys, I feel for you, the days of fishing are numbered but we can go down fighting and you never know common sense might win out but not unless we speak out.
In reply to Post #49
That's the issue, people are too scared to speak out about certain issues, the barbel society got a lot of stick for their petition, but we all know otters are a huge threat, and at least they had the bottle to speak out about the issue.
Anglers seem to think that the general public care, they dont, they have far to many important issues to care, the sooner people take that on board the better.
That's the issue, people are too scared to speak out about certain issues, the barbel society got a lot of stick for their petition, but we all know otters are a huge threat, and at least they had the bottle to speak out about the issue.
Anglers seem to think that the general public care, they dont, they have far to many important issues to care, the sooner people take that on board the better.
In reply to Post #50
I had the bottle to speak out..!! about the lutra .
I've no problem in truthing at all,I say it as it is,if people don't like it...tough..
Yep Christian is right,and sure as ,appeasement never works,nor does bot,bot,licking to whatever green minded group on that day,they are our enemies, simple as that..
Appeasement, yeah that went well,ask Neville Chamberlain..'peace in our time',..
I had the bottle to speak out..!! about the lutra .
I've no problem in truthing at all,I say it as it is,if people don't like it...tough..
Yep Christian is right,and sure as ,appeasement never works,nor does bot,bot,licking to whatever green minded group on that day,they are our enemies, simple as that..
Appeasement, yeah that went well,ask Neville Chamberlain..'peace in our time',..
In reply to Post #46
You see thuggery on both sides nick. But I'm sorry, the fox hunts will never occupy the moral high ground and yes passions run high on both sides. But to see the terrier men do what they do to these magnificent animals would leave anyone with a compassionate bone stunned by their coldness and cruelty.
Angling can learn from this, the platform needs to be how anglers are integrated into nature and encouraging it to thrive through cleaner water. Actively involved in the fight against pollution of our waterways bringing polluters to the courts. Fighting for natures spaces to thrive, wider hedgerows so raptors can hunt, etc etc etc. There's so much we can do to turn this around and bring the public onside. You are not going to do this arguing for culls etc. Work with nature not against it. I'm no tree hugger and feel angling brings more to our countryside than it takes out. But sadly there are always a few that darkens the doorway.
You see thuggery on both sides nick. But I'm sorry, the fox hunts will never occupy the moral high ground and yes passions run high on both sides. But to see the terrier men do what they do to these magnificent animals would leave anyone with a compassionate bone stunned by their coldness and cruelty.
Angling can learn from this, the platform needs to be how anglers are integrated into nature and encouraging it to thrive through cleaner water. Actively involved in the fight against pollution of our waterways bringing polluters to the courts. Fighting for natures spaces to thrive, wider hedgerows so raptors can hunt, etc etc etc. There's so much we can do to turn this around and bring the public onside. You are not going to do this arguing for culls etc. Work with nature not against it. I'm no tree hugger and feel angling brings more to our countryside than it takes out. But sadly there are always a few that darkens the doorway.
In reply to Post #52
Thats a fair reply, thank you.
I think we have many problems within fishing, countryside hunting and shooting fraternity, and either way, we are too fragmented. Fishing is split within its own 'disciplines'; match fishing, sea fishing, carp fishing, pleasure anglers (stick out a rod for silver fish, not interested in matches, but happy to catch anything) and specimen angling, specifically for big fish even fly fishing. The Angling Trust might be supposed to represent them all, but does it all of the time?
Then we have the shooting and hunting fraternity, where overpopulation of say deer, or even non-indigenous species like muntjac need to be culled, or the grouse and pheasant shooters are covered by the Countryside Alliance.
The CA do represent rural communities as well, those who live in the country, as well as these pursuits.
I must admit I am on the fence on fox hunting, foxes have become a nuisance in some areas due to overpopulation, yet the bugles and beagles of the hunts is not the nicest way to despatch a fox.
I am also on the fence regarding kosher and halal meat, how it is killed. We are supposed to kill only 'unconscious' animals for our food, yet for hundreds, even thousands of years we did it how we did it. A chase, arrow, a bullet, a knife, or whatever.
Halal meat is as it was done for thousands of years in the Arab world, a prayer to Allah (God) said for thanks, then despatched.
It is probably as cruel to catch fish from the sea before giving it the priest on our bass limit.
The main problem as I have pointed out is town greeny nature lovers have no actual knowledge of nature, or even where our food comes from. They just see it as furry or cuddly, or just as cruel. They don't see that their vegetarian or even vegan diet does still damage the environment, with foods that need to be transported across the world.
Even supermarkets are part of the problem, cheap chicken, cheap pork purchased and imported into the UK at standards and prices lower than our own UK farmers can do it for. These supermarkets also add so much water into these meats...
Thats a fair reply, thank you.
I think we have many problems within fishing, countryside hunting and shooting fraternity, and either way, we are too fragmented. Fishing is split within its own 'disciplines'; match fishing, sea fishing, carp fishing, pleasure anglers (stick out a rod for silver fish, not interested in matches, but happy to catch anything) and specimen angling, specifically for big fish even fly fishing. The Angling Trust might be supposed to represent them all, but does it all of the time?
Then we have the shooting and hunting fraternity, where overpopulation of say deer, or even non-indigenous species like muntjac need to be culled, or the grouse and pheasant shooters are covered by the Countryside Alliance.
The CA do represent rural communities as well, those who live in the country, as well as these pursuits.
I must admit I am on the fence on fox hunting, foxes have become a nuisance in some areas due to overpopulation, yet the bugles and beagles of the hunts is not the nicest way to despatch a fox.
I am also on the fence regarding kosher and halal meat, how it is killed. We are supposed to kill only 'unconscious' animals for our food, yet for hundreds, even thousands of years we did it how we did it. A chase, arrow, a bullet, a knife, or whatever.
Halal meat is as it was done for thousands of years in the Arab world, a prayer to Allah (God) said for thanks, then despatched.
It is probably as cruel to catch fish from the sea before giving it the priest on our bass limit.
The main problem as I have pointed out is town greeny nature lovers have no actual knowledge of nature, or even where our food comes from. They just see it as furry or cuddly, or just as cruel. They don't see that their vegetarian or even vegan diet does still damage the environment, with foods that need to be transported across the world.
Even supermarkets are part of the problem, cheap chicken, cheap pork purchased and imported into the UK at standards and prices lower than our own UK farmers can do it for. These supermarkets also add so much water into these meats...
In reply to Post #1
I might be wrong but I'm sure I watched a Mark Pitchers vid recently where he's fishing over near his then girlfreinds house and he mentions this as being law in parts of Europe. Something to do with only being to inflict pain of capture if its for the table so technically by putting the fish back your breaking the law....doesn't seem to be enforced much does it?
I might be wrong but I'm sure I watched a Mark Pitchers vid recently where he's fishing over near his then girlfreinds house and he mentions this as being law in parts of Europe. Something to do with only being to inflict pain of capture if its for the table so technically by putting the fish back your breaking the law....doesn't seem to be enforced much does it?
In reply to Post #54
Not until fishery owners and others in the industry realised there was money to be made. I fished a few places in Germany and some of the older anglers couldn't understand why I put them back and some weren't too happy that I did either.
Not until fishery owners and others in the industry realised there was money to be made. I fished a few places in Germany and some of the older anglers couldn't understand why I put them back and some weren't too happy that I did either.
In reply to Post #55
I think it's Germany or Austria where his Girlfriend lives as it happens
I think it's Germany or Austria where his Girlfriend lives as it happens
Mmmm. Interesting.
John Tosh has put a video on You Tube regarding a new policy change that he claims could be the end of angling videos on there. I can't get a link or whatever for it up on here for some reason, maybe someone who knows what they are doing will be kind enough ta.
John Tosh has put a video on You Tube regarding a new policy change that he claims could be the end of angling videos on there. I can't get a link or whatever for it up on here for some reason, maybe someone who knows what they are doing will be kind enough ta.