He did it to the Mere, a stunning old venue. Now filled with munters for a rich man's pleasure.
The lads lost out on that lake as I had mates who were part of it. He sent the builders in while these lads were enjoying there last few sessions. Digging up the roads and making disturbance.
He's a full on helmet. Making anglers use his own overpriced bait to add to insult.
Anybody who thinks this is the way to do things is crazy.
The lads lost out on that lake as I had mates who were part of it. He sent the builders in while these lads were enjoying there last few sessions. Digging up the roads and making disturbance.
He's a full on helmet. Making anglers use his own overpriced bait to add to insult.
Anybody who thinks this is the way to do things is crazy.
Rob hales has in the past tried to buy x2 different venues I was fishing at the time one was in 2010 and an one in 2015, both are owned by farmers (who are not short of a few quid), one of the venues he came back three times telling the owner to basically name his price, at the time the syndicate lads very very uneasy as we all know money talks, thankfully the owner told rob where to go as his family had owned the land for three generations and he found mr hales very pushy, I've also seen mr hales in a tackle shop and the way he spoke to the young lad behind the counter was poor, he comes across as an entitled knob to be honest and you would never see me fishing any of his waters
I hate everything about it. I have absolutely nothing good to say and no amount of excuses as I believe it devalues on of my true loves.
It's not one of those 'not my cup of tea but good luck' for me. Throwing bloated pigs into a lake that I have no intention of attending (I will avoid the word fishing) shouldn't bother me but it does.
If I was a cyclist and trained for years to do a 80 mile ride and someone else does it on an electric bike but still claims to have cycled the same distance is that right?
When I go to Disney land it's make believe that's what people want - they haven't really had a sword fight with Peter Pan, they can't seriously tell people they have driven a de lorean at 259 miles an hour, it's harmless fun.
What RH has done devalues the sport for me. A water that any idiot could rock up and bag a few 50s and a 70 - pellet fed pigs put out for slaughter. A freakish experiment. Let's say's it's a monumental (npi) success - to such an extent that every fishery needs a 60 or 70 to make a buck. What happens then? It's then encroaches on everyone's angling. Even if we find a bit of untouched heaven, the sport will be tarnished, the antis will have a field day. It will be like some of the pheasant shoots, where you dump a few hundred in the day before and let the rich feel like hunters.
Back in the day - they tried to bring over lumps stolen from France - or pillaged great waters in the uk to get fish for their price Essex garden ponds, now you can buy off the shelf - legally by some loon who thinks creating a tropical climate for a year or two - filling them with food by hand and then lobbing them in a lake to be fished for is sustainable and ecologically sound.
Yes my 20, 30 or 40 will mean the same to me, but it will be in a world where people say 'what about that lake in the papers that has massive fish do you go there'. "”- no I don't, I do a different kind of fishing to that of some idiots who have tried to dominate high weight carp, monetise everything and nationally devalued my pastime.
I have no room or interest in any counter arguments- I just hope that all of angling turns against him and he starts to breed 6ft, 450lb daushounds - I'd love to see those short leg beasts dominate cruffs
It's not one of those 'not my cup of tea but good luck' for me. Throwing bloated pigs into a lake that I have no intention of attending (I will avoid the word fishing) shouldn't bother me but it does.
If I was a cyclist and trained for years to do a 80 mile ride and someone else does it on an electric bike but still claims to have cycled the same distance is that right?
When I go to Disney land it's make believe that's what people want - they haven't really had a sword fight with Peter Pan, they can't seriously tell people they have driven a de lorean at 259 miles an hour, it's harmless fun.
What RH has done devalues the sport for me. A water that any idiot could rock up and bag a few 50s and a 70 - pellet fed pigs put out for slaughter. A freakish experiment. Let's say's it's a monumental (npi) success - to such an extent that every fishery needs a 60 or 70 to make a buck. What happens then? It's then encroaches on everyone's angling. Even if we find a bit of untouched heaven, the sport will be tarnished, the antis will have a field day. It will be like some of the pheasant shoots, where you dump a few hundred in the day before and let the rich feel like hunters.
Back in the day - they tried to bring over lumps stolen from France - or pillaged great waters in the uk to get fish for their price Essex garden ponds, now you can buy off the shelf - legally by some loon who thinks creating a tropical climate for a year or two - filling them with food by hand and then lobbing them in a lake to be fished for is sustainable and ecologically sound.
Yes my 20, 30 or 40 will mean the same to me, but it will be in a world where people say 'what about that lake in the papers that has massive fish do you go there'. "”- no I don't, I do a different kind of fishing to that of some idiots who have tried to dominate high weight carp, monetise everything and nationally devalued my pastime.
I have no room or interest in any counter arguments- I just hope that all of angling turns against him and he starts to breed 6ft, 450lb daushounds - I'd love to see those short leg beasts dominate cruffs
In reply to Post #1
What are they called, Cockle and Mussel
I don't give a **** what he does, carpfishing has just become a total mess
What are they called, Cockle and Mussel
I don't give a **** what he does, carpfishing has just become a total mess
In reply to Post #33
Sounds a bit like Euro Aqua.
That's considered a bit of a whore house in central Europe.
Sounds a bit like Euro Aqua.
That's considered a bit of a whore house in central Europe.
This type of water never interests me and never will I love to fish the canals and public waters as for me they are more challenging than a hand reared hippo and then charge stupid money to fish for them and then if you catch a 70 from there where would you go then,my pb carp of 32lb from my local was gradually built up through hard work and determination and passion for the sport I love so much,you would probably lose interest in carp fishing,I was bought up fishing for roach and gudgeon etc and then got hooked on the mysteries of carp and tales of uncaught or uncatchable giant fish,this is greed taking over carp fishing and he knows there will always be idiots(a fool and his money are easily parted) who will pay stupid money just to say they had caught a 50/60/70 carp and to them they don't care if it was hand reared and then put in at that weight.
Interesting reading the opposing points of view as a neutral - I'm unlikely to ever fish all RH water so don't really have any strong opinions and don't view it too differently to going to France to catch some lumps.
For those firmly against it - where do you draw the line with fish stocking? I.e. is stocking a 30 ok, but not a 50? Or is it the fact that it's bigger than other fish in the lake/country?
For those firmly against it - where do you draw the line with fish stocking? I.e. is stocking a 30 ok, but not a 50? Or is it the fact that it's bigger than other fish in the lake/country?
They stock forced on large tank raised trout in Avington Trout Fishery and people have been fishing there for years.
So i guess there is going to be a demand for Carp raised in a similar manner.
Each to their own, but i choose to fish venues for the environment and peace and quiet. Gave up caring about the maximum size of fish in a lake or river years ago.
So i guess there is going to be a demand for Carp raised in a similar manner.
Each to their own, but i choose to fish venues for the environment and peace and quiet. Gave up caring about the maximum size of fish in a lake or river years ago.
In reply to Post #37
My line is probably a good few yards before rearing in heating swimming pools up to over 60lb whilst feeding them 12 months a year.
My line is probably a good few yards before rearing in heating swimming pools up to over 60lb whilst feeding them 12 months a year.
In reply to Post #37
My issue is that the fish are going from a heated pond with food falling on their head every hour. They have now been moved to a lake which is not heated and have to find food themselves.
Sticking fish from a normal carp farm is fine as they are grown up with water temps which go up and down and have some natural instincts.
My issue is that the fish are going from a heated pond with food falling on their head every hour. They have now been moved to a lake which is not heated and have to find food themselves.
Sticking fish from a normal carp farm is fine as they are grown up with water temps which go up and down and have some natural instincts.
You don't have to click if you don't like it.
Below is the link released tonight of The Patshull Park Project 2. The work they're putting in and 11 minutes in, stocking of 3 big none RH fish from a Welsh fish breeder. One thing I did think, surely there are fresh water mussels in there re skimming silt?
LINKY POO™ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXZgyLmLAb8
EDIT, and that tree, what a stunning place that'll be to fish with those mature surroundings!
Below is the link released tonight of The Patshull Park Project 2. The work they're putting in and 11 minutes in, stocking of 3 big none RH fish from a Welsh fish breeder. One thing I did think, surely there are fresh water mussels in there re skimming silt?
LINKY POO™ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXZgyLmLAb8
EDIT, and that tree, what a stunning place that'll be to fish with those mature surroundings!
In reply to Post #33
This hits the nail perfectly on the head for me. I have heard the "not my cup of tea but I'll let others do what they want" argument so often recently and find it ridiculous and, actually, a lot of the time it's spouted by sponsored anglers who keep shuttum in order to keep the peace and to avoid their worst nightmare, discouraging customers and therefore lowering sales.
Carp fishing as a sport/hobby doesn't have a regulatory body and so it's up to us as the rank and file anglers to enforce the rules/boundaries/morals. What Rob Hales is doing is so far from the spirit and beliefs that carp fishing emerged with in the formative years of the sport and is going a massive way, in my opinion, in degrading the integrity of the past time. Aside from maintaining the standards and spirit previously spoken about, what a superb argument raising a fish in a heated tank to be then shoved into a lake to be caught by morons with GPS guided boats with more technology than is currently on display in the Iranian conflict really is.
Back to the whole "live and let live" argument around dodgy angling practices, it appears to me to be a similar situation to, hypothetically, if someone up your road was firing up a loud generator all hours of the day, blasting a shotgun at pigeons in their back garden and letting their dog crap all over the road. Would most people stand by and say "ah well it's not what I'd do but I'll let them live their life"? Of course not, they would take action by calling out and criticising the practices that are plaguing the majority of the residents and reducing their quality of life.
It makes me think of how 10/15 years ago Facebook/various forums were full of interactions that went a long way towards maintaining the integrity of the sport. Obviously I'm not endorsing full blown personality attacks/ bullying but it certainly felt like labelling things as "noddy" or having people speak their mind most definitely lead to my development as a young angler where I attempted to "do the right thing", stay on the right side of more experienced anglers and their standards of expected behaviour and aspire to the higher echelons of our sport (not that I ever got there ha ha). Nowadays, the current climate seems to be full of people buying £3000 bait boats before they can cast 80 yards, being worried about what diesel generator they're going to use to survive a 3 degree night in November and how they will go about getting a bait deal after catching some 75lber from the Monument on a ready tied Ronnie rig, without any of it being called out or criticised.
This hits the nail perfectly on the head for me. I have heard the "not my cup of tea but I'll let others do what they want" argument so often recently and find it ridiculous and, actually, a lot of the time it's spouted by sponsored anglers who keep shuttum in order to keep the peace and to avoid their worst nightmare, discouraging customers and therefore lowering sales.
Carp fishing as a sport/hobby doesn't have a regulatory body and so it's up to us as the rank and file anglers to enforce the rules/boundaries/morals. What Rob Hales is doing is so far from the spirit and beliefs that carp fishing emerged with in the formative years of the sport and is going a massive way, in my opinion, in degrading the integrity of the past time. Aside from maintaining the standards and spirit previously spoken about, what a superb argument raising a fish in a heated tank to be then shoved into a lake to be caught by morons with GPS guided boats with more technology than is currently on display in the Iranian conflict really is.
Back to the whole "live and let live" argument around dodgy angling practices, it appears to me to be a similar situation to, hypothetically, if someone up your road was firing up a loud generator all hours of the day, blasting a shotgun at pigeons in their back garden and letting their dog crap all over the road. Would most people stand by and say "ah well it's not what I'd do but I'll let them live their life"? Of course not, they would take action by calling out and criticising the practices that are plaguing the majority of the residents and reducing their quality of life.
It makes me think of how 10/15 years ago Facebook/various forums were full of interactions that went a long way towards maintaining the integrity of the sport. Obviously I'm not endorsing full blown personality attacks/ bullying but it certainly felt like labelling things as "noddy" or having people speak their mind most definitely lead to my development as a young angler where I attempted to "do the right thing", stay on the right side of more experienced anglers and their standards of expected behaviour and aspire to the higher echelons of our sport (not that I ever got there ha ha). Nowadays, the current climate seems to be full of people buying £3000 bait boats before they can cast 80 yards, being worried about what diesel generator they're going to use to survive a 3 degree night in November and how they will go about getting a bait deal after catching some 75lber from the Monument on a ready tied Ronnie rig, without any of it being called out or criticised.
The three fish that he stocked "from a Welsh water" were very nice, clean mouths too.
I wonder where they came from
Any info, pm if preferred
I wonder where they came from
Any info, pm if preferred
In reply to Post #43
I've no idea Dave, more concerned re the lack of comment re the Mussels but hey ho...Carp at all costs, never mind the 'bigger picture' at what I consider a historic site.
The conversion of the boat houses, nice, but I'm thinking bats and swallows never mind romantic retreat, though if the latter allows for inclusion then fair enough.
Guess I'm cut from a 'different cloth', proud to ruffle feathers if that's the case.
If anyone has a syndi that shares those views pls get in touch, size of Carp not important.
I've no idea Dave, more concerned re the lack of comment re the Mussels but hey ho...Carp at all costs, never mind the 'bigger picture' at what I consider a historic site.
The conversion of the boat houses, nice, but I'm thinking bats and swallows never mind romantic retreat, though if the latter allows for inclusion then fair enough.
Guess I'm cut from a 'different cloth', proud to ruffle feathers if that's the case.
If anyone has a syndi that shares those views pls get in touch, size of Carp not important.
I look at this from both sides of the fence
The pros and cons of these fisheries
I like fishing natural venues my lake of choice for the last 10 years has been a 60 acre 1 bank only days only water with a close season march-may it took me 3 seasons to catch a fish nothing big in there with a low 30 being the biggest the rest are just mid twenty's and doubles
But I will visit day ticket venues for a bend when I need a bite but I couldn't live there tried it once and it ruined my fishing to the point I never went for about 2 yrs but that's me
Rob hales has seen a gap in the market and is filling it and I gaurentee it will be full week in week out (with some of here)
For me he is also running a scientific experiment he is trying to find away of growing carp bigger and quicker than anyone else he is investing time and money into this he is a businessman he has us debating this on an open forum the publicity he wants and needs he has also come up with away of getting 50lb fish in half the time of another fish farmer big rig proved he hasn't quite got it right yet died young but maybe the Hot tub fish will last longer fingers crossed it does for the fishes sake
This has been happening for years breeding fish to be bigger crossing dintons with horseshoe fish the black mirror not forgetting the lennys ect
Simmo produced imo the first of these ready available big fish which come with a short life span shorter than a Redmire fish
The problem I have with Rob doing this is he publicly airing his experiments for all to see and praise or criticise
He is revamping forgotten neglected lakes at a cost to some it is I'm afraid the way of life
He is feeding the instant angler he is in a strange way growing the hobby
I admire what he's doing with patshall from a business point of view and scientific research for me that's what it is yes it is also for profit but he is helping carping imo
I also don't like the freak fish show
I hate fishing lakes with Bivvys so close it looks like Glastonbury where you have to book a peg weeks in advance with no watercraft involved
Using a bait i don't want to use because it's site specific
I pay my money and most probably will never go preferring peace and quiet and more natural lakes even urban park lakes over these Comercial venues
They will never threaten British records no more
Go and do your fishing for u and u only and enjoy what time you have
If you don't like it find something u do life is to short
The pros and cons of these fisheries
I like fishing natural venues my lake of choice for the last 10 years has been a 60 acre 1 bank only days only water with a close season march-may it took me 3 seasons to catch a fish nothing big in there with a low 30 being the biggest the rest are just mid twenty's and doubles
But I will visit day ticket venues for a bend when I need a bite but I couldn't live there tried it once and it ruined my fishing to the point I never went for about 2 yrs but that's me
Rob hales has seen a gap in the market and is filling it and I gaurentee it will be full week in week out (with some of here)
For me he is also running a scientific experiment he is trying to find away of growing carp bigger and quicker than anyone else he is investing time and money into this he is a businessman he has us debating this on an open forum the publicity he wants and needs he has also come up with away of getting 50lb fish in half the time of another fish farmer big rig proved he hasn't quite got it right yet died young but maybe the Hot tub fish will last longer fingers crossed it does for the fishes sake
This has been happening for years breeding fish to be bigger crossing dintons with horseshoe fish the black mirror not forgetting the lennys ect
Simmo produced imo the first of these ready available big fish which come with a short life span shorter than a Redmire fish
The problem I have with Rob doing this is he publicly airing his experiments for all to see and praise or criticise
He is revamping forgotten neglected lakes at a cost to some it is I'm afraid the way of life
He is feeding the instant angler he is in a strange way growing the hobby
I admire what he's doing with patshall from a business point of view and scientific research for me that's what it is yes it is also for profit but he is helping carping imo
I also don't like the freak fish show
I hate fishing lakes with Bivvys so close it looks like Glastonbury where you have to book a peg weeks in advance with no watercraft involved
Using a bait i don't want to use because it's site specific
I pay my money and most probably will never go preferring peace and quiet and more natural lakes even urban park lakes over these Comercial venues
They will never threaten British records no more
Go and do your fishing for u and u only and enjoy what time you have
If you don't like it find something u do life is to short