3oz+ flat lead, running or semi fixed makes no difference. 6" braid to knotless knot & line aligner. Size 6 long shank hook. Long hair held in place with a bit of silicone tube on the bend. Nice big 18mm bait, straight out of the bag. All fished inside a PVA bag with some crushed/whole freebies.
Pretty sure that would have converted a few more of the pickups..............it has certainly worked for me on easy club lakes when the fish are feeding hard. Same scenario as in the film.
Still, as others have said always good to see any underwater footage.
Pretty sure that would have converted a few more of the pickups..............it has certainly worked for me on easy club lakes when the fish are feeding hard. Same scenario as in the film.
Still, as others have said always good to see any underwater footage.
In reply to Post #30
‘Match the hatch' he says, then doesn't fish anything without a fluorescent topper stuck on it.
I always enjoy these vids, but the end of this one made it seem like it was a 2 hour commercial for hook shot. I appreciate the shoots cost a lot of money, but I'd like to see some genuine experimentation rather than a few tiny tweaks. 2 foot hooklinks, solid bags, the original hair rig with a long nylon or thin braid hair etc. Imagine how much more hooklink material they'd sell if 2-3' hooklinks took off
The fish getting away with it always makes you think though. I'm at an ‘easy' lake now with my kids, had one before I'd finished getting all the rods out yesterday afternoon (white pop up, hard bottom) but nothing since. How many times have I been done? How much bait is still out there? Have I just fed more on top of it for no reason?
‘Match the hatch' he says, then doesn't fish anything without a fluorescent topper stuck on it.
I always enjoy these vids, but the end of this one made it seem like it was a 2 hour commercial for hook shot. I appreciate the shoots cost a lot of money, but I'd like to see some genuine experimentation rather than a few tiny tweaks. 2 foot hooklinks, solid bags, the original hair rig with a long nylon or thin braid hair etc. Imagine how much more hooklink material they'd sell if 2-3' hooklinks took off
The fish getting away with it always makes you think though. I'm at an ‘easy' lake now with my kids, had one before I'd finished getting all the rods out yesterday afternoon (white pop up, hard bottom)
but nothing since. How many times have I been done? How much bait is still out there? Have I just fed more on top of it for no reason?
In reply to Post #31
Couldn't agree more.
I love watching these videos - trying to sort out the wheat from the chaff....
One thing I used to do with the early ones was switch off the sound and just watch the fish - that way I could make up my own mind what was really going on.
My fishing mate used to make underwater videos (for various people, not including Korda) and we have done a few experiments of our own. A lot of the time you are catching fish ‘in spite of, rather than because of'.
Couldn't agree more.
I love watching these videos - trying to sort out the wheat from the chaff....
One thing I used to do with the early ones was switch off the sound and just watch the fish - that way I could make up my own mind what was really going on.
My fishing mate used to make underwater videos (for various people, not including Korda) and we have done a few experiments of our own. A lot of the time you are catching fish ‘in spite of, rather than because of'.
In reply to Post #31
Dan is desperate to find the holy grail, he is not alone in his quest of course. Problem is, as I'm sure he knows, is lakebeds, they all differ, and the fish can be hard to provoke into confident feeding whereby suspicion is reduced on the areas that the films can be made. They had exactly that when they set out on this filming session on the other lake which they had to abandon. I would hazard a guess that it is easier to create confident feeding in good clean grey silty areas, whereby a balanced bait may prove effective, definitely pop ups are less effective, but heavier bottom baits are far more likely to be picked up.
Chods however are so effective in clear water over weed, as you say, have accounted for many many captures, so again the situation determines the best presentation, and outcome.
Dan is desperate to find the holy grail, he is not alone in his quest of course. Problem is, as I'm sure he knows, is lakebeds, they all differ, and the fish can be hard to provoke into confident feeding whereby suspicion is reduced on the areas that the films can be made. They had exactly that when they set out on this filming session on the other lake which they had to abandon. I would hazard a guess that it is easier to create confident feeding in good clean grey silty areas, whereby a balanced bait may prove effective, definitely pop ups are less effective, but heavier bottom baits are far more likely to be picked up.
Chods however are so effective in clear water over weed, as you say, have accounted for many many captures, so again the situation determines the best presentation, and outcome.
The issue with these underwater videos is that they are not really a real carp fishing situation. Everything is reactionary and like Dovey says fairbrass starts with his “best” on and changes everything.
All this about camo his end tackle and then they sell bright kickers etc. If bright colours is the issue why do they pick up bright baits. What I would like to see tried is everything blatant like a pink lead etc and we will then see if camo is the way forward.
I did like Fairbrass dig at fox for their underwater video where they had divers placing rigs and bait. The best underwater video for me is sticky baits one from a few years back
All this about camo his end tackle and then they sell bright kickers etc. If bright colours is the issue why do they pick up bright baits. What I would like to see tried is everything blatant like a pink lead etc and we will then see if camo is the way forward.
I did like Fairbrass dig at fox for their underwater video where they had divers placing rigs and bait. The best underwater video for me is sticky baits one from a few years back
In reply to Post #1
They've always been infomercials to a degree - they are a tackle manufacturer in the business of selling tackle so its hardly surprising that you get a 'quick glimpse' preview of the next shot on rig prototype product that surprise surprise has already been developed / packaged and is ready to fly off the shelves . . . the masses will eat this up and if 50% of carp anglers spend the £4.99 or whatever it ends up being to attach a bit of tungsten with a rubber whatsit then mission accomplished!
I actually quite liked this one for several reasons - firstly that the heli obsessed clones realise what a poor rig it actually is in clear/hard spot scenarios; secondly watching the two rigs in parallel was also an insight especially when fish rejected one and then the other in sequence (although agree they could have means tested more alternative rigs etc). Favourite bit was the snagged fish; showed Tom Stokes for the 'real' angler that he is (as well as being a brummy) the quick thinking in dealing with the problem / the mistake made when under pressure in tying to the new rod and the real elation on his face and the look on DFs when he sorted it / landed the fish etc . . .quality!
They've always been infomercials to a degree - they are a tackle manufacturer in the business of selling tackle so its hardly surprising that you get a 'quick glimpse' preview of the next shot on rig prototype product that surprise surprise has already been developed / packaged and is ready to fly off the shelves . . . the masses will eat this up and if 50% of carp anglers spend the £4.99 or whatever it ends up being to attach a bit of tungsten with a rubber whatsit then mission accomplished!
I actually quite liked this one for several reasons - firstly that the heli obsessed clones realise what a poor rig it actually is in clear/hard spot scenarios; secondly watching the two rigs in parallel was also an insight especially when fish rejected one and then the other in sequence (although agree they could have means tested more alternative rigs etc). Favourite bit was the snagged fish; showed Tom Stokes for the 'real' angler that he is (as well as being a brummy) the quick thinking in dealing with the problem / the mistake made when under pressure in tying to the new rod and the real elation on his face and the look on DFs when he sorted it / landed the fish etc . . .quality!
So much for direct contact with the lead allowing fish to use it to shake a hook out, a barbless one at that! I know DF didn't say he invented the shot on the hook, I'm sure it's in the Beekay guide from memory, but if it was that good it wouldn't have fallen into obscurity...or would it.
Things are re invented all the time and I know he said it was about those components used together, but again they've been around for a while.
Being a fan of short hook links and straight long shanks I will try it, just to see.
Things are re invented all the time and I know he said it was about those components used together, but again they've been around for a while.
Being a fan of short hook links and straight long shanks I will try it, just to see.
I scanned it and watched about 20 mins total. It was good I thought, the but for me is if you have a product in development- he do you bring it on on day 5? You've invested in something that you believe is useful, you have then watched fish after fish turn you over and think - I might use our new development.
Like I say I only watched bits so may be misunderstanding- if they developed on the bank to overcome an issue fair play and apologies- if they had it up thier sleeve then absolutely pathetic.
Like I say I only watched bits so may be misunderstanding- if they developed on the bank to overcome an issue fair play and apologies- if they had it up thier sleeve then absolutely pathetic.
In reply to Post #39
The product in development clips weren't on the bank, they looked to be inserted into the film in retrospect, the shot on the line in the film was whipped on the hook. Anyone else notice the date of 2022 on the scribblings, the film took a while to come out, must have wanted to use the rig for longer than the few months he mentioned before allowing the masses in on the secret....or possibly having product for market...cynical of me...lol.
Oh yes, DF your a old fuddy duddy yourself, maybe not in mind like a lot of us
The product in development clips weren't on the bank, they looked to be inserted into the film in retrospect, the shot on the line in the film was whipped on the hook. Anyone else notice the date of 2022 on the scribblings, the film took a while to come out, must have wanted to use the rig for longer than the few months he mentioned before allowing the masses in on the secret....or possibly having product for market...cynical of me...lol.
Oh yes, DF your a old fuddy duddy yourself, maybe not in mind like a lot of us
In reply to Post #34
Exactly my thoughts Tim - we catch them in spite of our rigs, not because of them ...
Exactly my thoughts Tim - we catch them in spite of our rigs, not because of them ...
In reply to Post #38
Anyone notice the big hole the barbless hook had made when Tom unhooked that carp?
Also, the Cog system was developed to give instant resistance like an inline, then converting to a clip after the take. Do they not use that anymore? (or did they ever use it).
Anyone notice the big hole the barbless hook had made when Tom unhooked that carp?
Also, the Cog system was developed to give instant resistance like an inline, then converting to a clip after the take. Do they not use that anymore? (or did they ever use it).
In reply to Post #42
Anyone notice the big hole the barbless hook had made when Tom unhooked that carp?
I know the one you mean though I wouldn't describe it as big, just bigger than the hook. I can't quite remember but wasn't that also the older fish with the totally purple lower mouth from previous captures, if so that recovered/bruised area never regains it suppleness, poor bugger. I'm fairly sure I saw that some of the hooks they showed us were barbed or micro, maybe just for camera though, probably not used in the water.
Anyone notice the big hole the barbless hook had made when Tom unhooked that carp?
I know the one you mean though I wouldn't describe it as big, just bigger than the hook. I can't quite remember but wasn't that also the older fish with the totally purple lower mouth from previous captures, if so that recovered/bruised area never regains it suppleness, poor bugger. I'm fairly sure I saw that some of the hooks they showed us were barbed or micro, maybe just for camera though, probably not used in the water.
In reply to Post #42
I use the cog and with a short stiff rig; but make my own by drilling cheap 6oz leads and making my own mini leadfree connection leaders etc - its my go to set up on hard spots but primarily cos I'm using a baitboat and have confidence its not 'breaking up' on the cast / when it hits the deck. High component price point and poss lack of sales plus its crap casting ability (Korda 'never' use baitboats on film) have maybe meant its not worth pushing anymore?
I use the cog and with a short stiff rig; but make my own by drilling cheap 6oz leads and making my own mini leadfree connection leaders etc - its my go to set up on hard spots but primarily cos I'm using a baitboat and have confidence its not 'breaking up' on the cast / when it hits the deck. High component price point and poss lack of sales plus its crap casting ability (Korda 'never' use baitboats on film) have maybe meant its not worth pushing anymore?
I wonder what would have happened if they just used boilies scattered about - I think they would have hooked more on there existing setups?
In reply to Post #42
Another fad which probably had the same amount of hyperbole attached to it.
If i'm being brutally honest, I've not listened to a single bit of **** that comes out of these peoples mouths and have no intention too.
They are there to empty your wallet, and all these videos do is make their unqualified bro-science look completely daft.
Another fad which probably had the same amount of hyperbole attached to it.
If i'm being brutally honest, I've not listened to a single bit of **** that comes out of these peoples mouths and have no intention too.
They are there to empty your wallet, and all these videos do is make their unqualified bro-science look completely daft.