In reply to Post #32
I was doing all of the things in your post back in the 80's
I was doing all of the things in your post back in the 80's
In reply to Post #33
Like you I was playing with bait back then, and the HNV or food source bait was the way we learnt to fish.
I don't think anglers now fish as we did, they are relying on attraction more than food.
Like you I was playing with bait back then, and the HNV or food source bait was the way we learnt to fish.
I don't think anglers now fish as we did, they are relying on attraction more than food.
In reply to Post #35
If you're fishing a water that sees regular helpings of decent bait and you can only go twice a month for 48 hours i dont think it matters what you chuck in as long as you have something tip top on the hook and in the right place.
Spot on for me. Quite a simple art fishing, the only thing you have to do is get a carp to take your hookbait in its mouth, that's it. Confusion created by thousands trying to be famous and telling folk how to do it and total confusion for probably a few hundred thousand sheep who have not got a clue
Nowadays the crafty carp is a lot smarter than the angler
If you're fishing a water that sees regular helpings of decent bait and you can only go twice a month for 48 hours i dont think it matters what you chuck in as long as you have something tip top on the hook and in the right place.
Spot on for me. Quite a simple art fishing, the only thing you have to do is get a carp to take your hookbait in its mouth, that's it. Confusion created by thousands trying to be famous and telling folk how to do it and total confusion for probably a few hundred thousand sheep who have not got a clue
Nowadays the crafty carp is a lot smarter than the angler
In reply to Post #31
Quote... Are you saying food baits are over engineered and cheaper basic bollies would catch as much as long as the hookbait has the right trigger?
My opinion?
In the vast majority of cases, anglers use expensive boilies when they have absolutely no need too. There's a simple reason that anywhere I have fished for absolutely donkeys years, I have always been the top rod. Some of the toughest lakes around. No one, even the supposedly best anglers out fish me while I am there in terms of numbers. That's not a brag. That's fact. Where I fished, I caught more than anyone else. It's not because I'm some superman of an angler. I think it's been because I had a better understanding about what carp actually prefer to eat at certain times of the year... And that there are other things to feed/attract them with, that will always out fish boilies when the chips are down. That's not PC to say, in an industry where in its formative years, media was controlled virtually on bait companies money. Anglers all want to be sponsored by bait companies, who sell boilies. Add on to that, that I have always had the hook baits, even when no one else did. Imagine that, rocking up to a lake with the S2... When no one else had them. Unfair.
I very rarely actually use boilies on lakes when competing with other anglers. When I do, I tend to fill them up with water first to make them soluble, similar to any nut or particle which is already filled with water. (Think about this hard). In the form in which they come in a bag, they can always be made more soluble faster, and far more effective. I tend to use boilies for a very short period of the year. During the summer, particles will always be a better option as carpet feed. Fish are stupid. Get them preoccupied and nailed to a spot, they become very very easy to catch. Fill them up with high protein balls, they actually become harder to catch. Which kinda defeats the whole object. Anglers have been fed a perception, that they need to care for the fish (which they do). To look after them (which they do). But to feed them fillet steak? To lay them on a mat that costs 10 x more than the mat that you use for your own baby? All extremes. But it funds an entire industry now. The mags that anglers learned from, were controlled by the advertising. During carp fishings formative years, we as anglers were fed a perception. Perception is a massive thing in carp fishing. The reality is often very different. If you can see past all of that. It will give you a massive advantage over everyone else. ESPECIALLY when it comes to carp bait.
All my opinion of course.
Quote... Are you saying food baits are over engineered and cheaper basic bollies would catch as much as long as the hookbait has the right trigger?
My opinion?
In the vast majority of cases, anglers use expensive boilies when they have absolutely no need too. There's a simple reason that anywhere I have fished for absolutely donkeys years, I have always been the top rod. Some of the toughest lakes around. No one, even the supposedly best anglers out fish me while I am there in terms of numbers. That's not a brag. That's fact. Where I fished, I caught more than anyone else. It's not because I'm some superman of an angler. I think it's been because I had a better understanding about what carp actually prefer to eat at certain times of the year... And that there are other things to feed/attract them with, that will always out fish boilies when the chips are down. That's not PC to say, in an industry where in its formative years, media was controlled virtually on bait companies money. Anglers all want to be sponsored by bait companies, who sell boilies. Add on to that, that I have always had the hook baits, even when no one else did. Imagine that, rocking up to a lake with the S2... When no one else had them. Unfair.
I very rarely actually use boilies on lakes when competing with other anglers. When I do, I tend to fill them up with water first to make them soluble, similar to any nut or particle which is already filled with water. (Think about this hard). In the form in which they come in a bag, they can always be made more soluble faster, and far more effective. I tend to use boilies for a very short period of the year. During the summer, particles will always be a better option as carpet feed. Fish are stupid. Get them preoccupied and nailed to a spot, they become very very easy to catch. Fill them up with high protein balls, they actually become harder to catch. Which kinda defeats the whole object. Anglers have been fed a perception, that they need to care for the fish (which they do). To look after them (which they do). But to feed them fillet steak? To lay them on a mat that costs 10 x more than the mat that you use for your own baby? All extremes. But it funds an entire industry now. The mags that anglers learned from, were controlled by the advertising. During carp fishings formative years, we as anglers were fed a perception. Perception is a massive thing in carp fishing. The reality is often very different. If you can see past all of that. It will give you a massive advantage over everyone else. ESPECIALLY when it comes to carp bait.
All my opinion of course.
In reply to Post #37
Totaly agree, i'd be surprised if i get through 20kg of boilies this year, normally couple of hundred in a year.
Totaly agree, i'd be surprised if i get through 20kg of boilies this year, normally couple of hundred in a year.
Carp are underwater pigs. They have an incredible ability to consume vast amounts of food in very short time frames. Nature made them this way, to be able to take advantage of natural food larders, which are time specific. When a carp starts eating bloodworm, it has the ability to continue eating, until the very last worm is consumed. 1kg of bloodworm, or 10kg of bloodworm, it matters not. It can only do this, as it can simply pooh the worms out as fast as it can eat and process them. Similar to a cow eating grass... It can do it all day long. Because the food is able to pass through the animal, literally as quickly as it is being eaten.
Carp are exactly the same as a pig or a cow. Pretty simple animals, that we elevate to a higher plane, simply because we pursue them as our hobby.
Nature made these animals able to consume incredible amounts of food, in a short period of time. (Not fillet steak). When trying to catch a carp... Why would you want to fill it up with high protein, stodgy, rubbery, dry balls? Made for convenience, so that they can be easily stored in a human environment, that is enveloped in air, and not water. Great for convenience for us as humans, as they are easily stored and to a certain extent deter smaller fish... Not the greatest in a feeding situation for a carp, where you as the angler are trying your very best to keep that fish feeding, until you receive the bite though, is it? Why would you want to feed them things that actually inhibit them from continuing to feed? When they stop feeding, you are not going to get a bite. Full stop. We have all experienced lakes these days being heavily pre baited with boilies by all and sundry.... And then the lake does not do a bite for weeks on end. It is one of the most frustrating parts of modern carping.
By adding water to your boilies and pre soaking them for lets say 12 hours first... The first thing is, you are making them easier for the carp to quickly pass through its system and thus continue eating... Not to go sit in the snags for the rest of the day to process a couple of kg of your stodgy dry in the centre balls in its belly. Ever seen a carp crapping out 20mm boilies? No you have not, because it does not happen. You are filling them with water before putting them into the lake, which is also making them far easier for the carp to even sense in the first place. The carp lives under water. Its food needs to be slightly water borne, to be able to even sense it properly. The current craze for liquids on boilies is heading in the right direction. It makes them much more attractive to the fish, because until they actually fill with a touch of water, the added liquids can actually be sensed properly by the carp and are attractive IMO. Crumbing baits? By doing this you are opening up the boilie and allowing the much smaller bits to fill with water quickly. Super attractive to the fish. The crumb, is more attractive than a round 20mm boilie that you crumbed it from. Why, it's the same thing? Because the crumb fills with water faster, that is why.
Think about it. Because it's all pretty simple really, if you have not been preprogrammed to think in a different way. RESULTS... ARE... EVERYTHING. If you want convenience in a bag fair enough, but don't follow the crowd like everyone else and do what they do. If you want to take your angling to an entirely different place... Start thinking for yourself.
Carp are exactly the same as a pig or a cow. Pretty simple animals, that we elevate to a higher plane, simply because we pursue them as our hobby.
Nature made these animals able to consume incredible amounts of food, in a short period of time. (Not fillet steak). When trying to catch a carp... Why would you want to fill it up with high protein, stodgy, rubbery, dry balls? Made for convenience, so that they can be easily stored in a human environment, that is enveloped in air, and not water. Great for convenience for us as humans, as they are easily stored and to a certain extent deter smaller fish... Not the greatest in a feeding situation for a carp, where you as the angler are trying your very best to keep that fish feeding, until you receive the bite though, is it? Why would you want to feed them things that actually inhibit them from continuing to feed? When they stop feeding, you are not going to get a bite. Full stop. We have all experienced lakes these days being heavily pre baited with boilies by all and sundry.... And then the lake does not do a bite for weeks on end. It is one of the most frustrating parts of modern carping.
By adding water to your boilies and pre soaking them for lets say 12 hours first... The first thing is, you are making them easier for the carp to quickly pass through its system and thus continue eating... Not to go sit in the snags for the rest of the day to process a couple of kg of your stodgy dry in the centre balls in its belly. Ever seen a carp crapping out 20mm boilies? No you have not, because it does not happen. You are filling them with water before putting them into the lake, which is also making them far easier for the carp to even sense in the first place. The carp lives under water. Its food needs to be slightly water borne, to be able to even sense it properly. The current craze for liquids on boilies is heading in the right direction. It makes them much more attractive to the fish, because until they actually fill with a touch of water, the added liquids can actually be sensed properly by the carp and are attractive IMO. Crumbing baits? By doing this you are opening up the boilie and allowing the much smaller bits to fill with water quickly. Super attractive to the fish. The crumb, is more attractive than a round 20mm boilie that you crumbed it from. Why, it's the same thing? Because the crumb fills with water faster, that is why.
Think about it. Because it's all pretty simple really, if you have not been preprogrammed to think in a different way. RESULTS... ARE... EVERYTHING. If you want convenience in a bag fair enough, but don't follow the crowd like everyone else and do what they do. If you want to take your angling to an entirely different place... Start thinking for yourself.
In reply to Post #32
Probably the best bait I've ever used for catching carp and passed through them very quickly, wish you could still buy it I'd use it without a doubt. I tried Jim Rawcliffes equivalent at more takes baits but baits evolved over the years and it's not the same as the original Protavit livers.
Probably the best bait I've ever used for catching carp and passed through them very quickly, wish you could still buy it I'd use it without a doubt. I tried Jim Rawcliffes equivalent at more takes baits but baits evolved over the years and it's not the same as the original Protavit livers.
In reply to Post #39
Nailed it... but please remove this post lol.
My biggest edge for years ..lol
Nailed it... but please remove this post lol.
My biggest edge for years ..lol
In reply to Post #41
Take two 20mm fishmeal boilies made from identical base mix ingredients. One is made with all the artificial flavours we associate with traditional boilies. Let's say for arguments sake the flavour is Squid & Octopus.
So you have two fishmeal baits bound with eggs. Identical, except one smells to the human nose of S&O. This investigation trigger is a strong chemical smell/taste, that helps draw/attract the carp to the boilie. It lets the carp know, that it is food. That is traditional thinking, right?
The other identical non chemical smelling fish meal bait, instead of the flavour, it has half a tea spoon of water added to it twelve hours before.
So you have a dry, traditional S&O 20mm boilie straight from a bag, and you have a pre soaked with simple water version of exactly the same boilie that never had any flavour added.
Throw them both in front of a 50lb+ UK carp that's been constantly fished for over the past 20 years, every single day of its life. I know that the fish can simply detect the wet one without the flavour in FAR EASIER as food, immediately, instant... Because it is WET with water and pumping out food signals. But then also add on to that.... One of those two boilies you threw in is also viewed as completely safe to that fish. It never gets caught on those fully swollen wet ones, where all the silly human chemical added tastes/smells have long since washed away. You don't need the chemical to attract them to your food baits which they are going to eat en masse at all... You just need a bit of water, to literally activate them for simple underwater attraction from the food itself.
Solubility should be given FAR more credence in carp food baits for a target that lives under water, than poxy man made chemical flavours. Man cannot out think nature. We always think that we can, but we simply cannot.
Carp fishing is a fairly new thing, it's only been a 'thing' for the past 50 or 60 so years. We are all learning as we go along as a consequence. So much of what is taken as absolute gospel regarding carp bait, is absolute bullcrap in my own findings from actually going fishing.
I am not, and have never been a scientist, so I may not be describing every term or phrase perfectly. I am and always have been a highly obsessive carp angler.
Take two 20mm fishmeal boilies made from identical base mix ingredients. One is made with all the artificial flavours we associate with traditional boilies. Let's say for arguments sake the flavour is Squid & Octopus.
So you have two fishmeal baits bound with eggs. Identical, except one smells to the human nose of S&O. This investigation trigger is a strong chemical smell/taste, that helps draw/attract the carp to the boilie. It lets the carp know, that it is food. That is traditional thinking, right?
The other identical non chemical smelling fish meal bait, instead of the flavour, it has half a tea spoon of water added to it twelve hours before.
So you have a dry, traditional S&O 20mm boilie straight from a bag, and you have a pre soaked with simple water version of exactly the same boilie that never had any flavour added.
Throw them both in front of a 50lb+ UK carp that's been constantly fished for over the past 20 years, every single day of its life. I know that the fish can simply detect the wet one without the flavour in FAR EASIER as food, immediately, instant... Because it is WET with water and pumping out food signals. But then also add on to that.... One of those two boilies you threw in is also viewed as completely safe to that fish. It never gets caught on those fully swollen wet ones, where all the silly human chemical added tastes/smells have long since washed away. You don't need the chemical to attract them to your food baits which they are going to eat en masse at all... You just need a bit of water, to literally activate them for simple underwater attraction from the food itself.
Solubility should be given FAR more credence in carp food baits for a target that lives under water, than poxy man made chemical flavours. Man cannot out think nature. We always think that we can, but we simply cannot.
Carp fishing is a fairly new thing, it's only been a 'thing' for the past 50 or 60 so years. We are all learning as we go along as a consequence. So much of what is taken as absolute gospel regarding carp bait, is absolute bullcrap in my own findings from actually going fishing.
I am not, and have never been a scientist, so I may not be describing every term or phrase perfectly. I am and always have been a highly obsessive carp angler.
I'll give it 4-5 weeks max until we see an article from the celebrities (cough, full timing bank tramps) detailing the below saying that's how they fish and thought processes.
Cast your mind back to garlic hemp and cured salted carp drugs.
Watch this space.
Great info Mark.
Cast your mind back to garlic hemp and cured salted carp drugs.
Watch this space.
Great info Mark.
In reply to Post #43
In reply to Post #44
A2 baits
A2 baits
In reply to Post #45
There is an old bottle of Tutti on TT for £80
There is an old bottle of Tutti on TT for £80