In reply to Post #15
30 ml? That's really low. Baitmakers in europe don't blink at 100-200 ml, plus the acid and ps. I guess that's where their reputation in the uk comes from
30 ml? That's really low. Baitmakers in europe don't blink at 100-200 ml, plus the acid and ps. I guess that's where their reputation in the uk comes from
Which preservative was Dave Moore talking about in his Korda podcast? He seemed to be under the impression that it inhibits the ability for the carp to process the baits and obtain the nutrients during digestion. Or something along those lines?
In reply to Post #32
How long are you talking though? Your average carpers long session is a week , 2 tops. And you don't need preservatives for that, even in the height of summer. I don't get the versatility comment either? Other than lasting longer, what makes them more versatile that fresh baits? Imo if anything preserving baits can work against you. I like mine to go soft and be breaking down after hours and days, not sitting on the lakebed for weeks and months( except hookbaits of course)
How long are you talking though? Your average carpers long session is a week , 2 tops. And you don't need preservatives for that, even in the height of summer. I don't get the versatility comment either? Other than lasting longer, what makes them more versatile that fresh baits? Imo if anything preserving baits can work against you. I like mine to go soft and be breaking down after hours and days, not sitting on the lakebed for weeks and months( except hookbaits of course)
In reply to Post #35
You know what, I'm going to back out of this conversation 👍
You know what, I'm going to back out of this conversation 👍
In reply to Post #35
I can make baits with modenr preservatives that'll sit happily in a bag for a year, yet break down within 3/5 days. sooner if I want but thats by the by.
What you need to realise is a preservatives job is to stabilise and prevent decomposition in a selected atmosphere, in baits case, a minimal oxygen / sealed bag environment with temperature fluctuations. it will not keep baits preserved once in the water.
Much in the same way that a tablespoon full of water into any pot of pop ups will cause them to decay over a few weeks.
In terms of versatility, of course its more versatile, by its very nature of not needing to be babysat.
You can keep some in the car, you can decide once at the lake to fish singles and not suffer bait degradation during the session, you can re seal the bag and keep them for a longer period etc.
I can make baits with modenr preservatives that'll sit happily in a bag for a year, yet break down within 3/5 days. sooner if I want but thats by the by.
What you need to realise is a preservatives job is to stabilise and prevent decomposition in a selected atmosphere, in baits case, a minimal oxygen / sealed bag environment with temperature fluctuations. it will not keep baits preserved once in the water.
Much in the same way that a tablespoon full of water into any pot of pop ups will cause them to decay over a few weeks.
In terms of versatility, of course its more versatile, by its very nature of not needing to be babysat.
You can keep some in the car, you can decide once at the lake to fish singles and not suffer bait degradation during the session, you can re seal the bag and keep them for a longer period etc.
In reply to Post #33
The potassium sorbate and citric acid usually preserve it enough on their own, the MPG is more due to the fact that you want to keep it soft.
Higher levels are fine, it depends on the stability of the ingredients we preserve to be fair.
Sea snails for example are a night mare to preserve in a bait, you essentially need to spray them down in mpg the day before and hope for the bets but 2-3 months is a result.
The potassium sorbate and citric acid usually preserve it enough on their own, the MPG is more due to the fact that you want to keep it soft.
Higher levels are fine, it depends on the stability of the ingredients we preserve to be fair.
Sea snails for example are a night mare to preserve in a bait, you essentially need to spray them down in mpg the day before and hope for the bets but 2-3 months is a result.
In reply to Post #1
on a side note it would be interesting to know what Bait works use instead of fresh or powdered Eggs, anyone know? Im lead to believe Mark doesn't use them as he thinks there are better options out there,
on a side note it would be interesting to know what Bait works use instead of fresh or powdered Eggs, anyone know? Im lead to believe Mark doesn't use them as he thinks there are better options out there,
In reply to Post #37
Yeah I do realise what a preservatives job is nick. I was asking matey about his versatility comment because he made it sound as though there was some other reason for saying that other than the obvious that they last longer, which there isn't.
I've never seen a shelf life that breaks down anywhere near that quickly so if you really can do that then fair play to you. It's still too slow for my angling and it wouldn't benefit me in any way to use them but each to their own
Yeah I do realise what a preservatives job is nick. I was asking matey about his versatility comment because he made it sound as though there was some other reason for saying that other than the obvious that they last longer, which there isn't.
I've never seen a shelf life that breaks down anywhere near that quickly so if you really can do that then fair play to you. It's still too slow for my angling and it wouldn't benefit me in any way to use them but each to their own
In reply to Post #40
ip put top 10 sold frozen boilies in uk in a bucket of water and see how they break down... you would be very surprised...
ip put top 10 sold frozen boilies in uk in a bucket of water and see how they break down... you would be very surprised...
In reply to Post #41
In what way?
In what way?
In reply to Post #42
In the way that they dont break down any better than good shelfis.
In the way that they dont break down any better than good shelfis.
In reply to Post #43
Glad I roll my own then if that's actually the case
Glad I roll my own then if that's actually the case
In reply to Post #41
That's because a lot of the freezer baits have preservative in them. Jay Rider (A-Baits and ex-Nash) mentioned this - (Big) Bait co makes bait, dries it, freezes it. 3 days old already. Shop orders a week later, bait is packed, thaws out whilst being sent to shop. Then waits in shop to be put in the freezer. Refreezes when it is at shop, shop sells, sends to customer, bait thaws, etc - a "fresh" baits could've been out of the freezer for a week before anyone gets it (and worse, is permanently moist from thawing/freezing). They want to stop people getting mouldy freezer bait.
That's why it's better to get it direct from companies that roll and send out after it's dried. The freezerbait's I use won't stay on the hair for more than 8hrs or so......
That's because a lot of the freezer baits have preservative in them. Jay Rider (A-Baits and ex-Nash) mentioned this - (Big) Bait co makes bait, dries it, freezes it. 3 days old already. Shop orders a week later, bait is packed, thaws out whilst being sent to shop. Then waits in shop to be put in the freezer. Refreezes when it is at shop, shop sells, sends to customer, bait thaws, etc - a "fresh" baits could've been out of the freezer for a week before anyone gets it (and worse, is permanently moist from thawing/freezing). They want to stop people getting mouldy freezer bait.
That's why it's better to get it direct from companies that roll and send out after it's dried. The freezerbait's I use won't stay on the hair for more than 8hrs or so......
Pretty sure Baitworks mentions somewhere it is a short term preservative possibly on the bags cannot remember now where I read it it's been a while since I used them.
Bait threads always brings out the best in people on here.
Bait threads always brings out the best in people on here.
I put one of each of the baitworks SL Baits in a glass, AH was broken down / falling apart within 18hrs the other just made it to 24hrs and that was without touching them. The AH was easily breakable in my fingers after 12 hrs and if roach etc were trying to eat it im sure they would have had no trouble what so ever......