In reply to Post #31
What's daft about it? You're saying that putting spices in a bait negates the need for a flavour. How about putting spices in PLUS a flavour that they find attractive? Surely thats better?
What's daft about it? You're saying that putting spices in a bait negates the need for a flavour. How about putting spices in PLUS a flavour that they find attractive? Surely thats better?
In reply to Post #32
Because adding spices is common in bait making? And adding real fruit isnt?
And imo no, adding both isn't.
Because adding spices is common in bait making? And adding real fruit isnt?
And imo no, adding both isn't.
In reply to Post #31
Ian, I am sure we have disagreed about the effectiveness of flavours before, but that was in feed baits which I can sort of understand even if I think you are missing out... but in single hookbaits do you really think spice powders will be as attractive as a good flavour in a single hookbait, which was the original question.
Ian, I am sure we have disagreed about the effectiveness of flavours before, but that was in feed baits which I can sort of understand even if I think you are missing out... but in single hookbaits do you really think spice powders will be as attractive as a good flavour in a single hookbait, which was the original question.
In reply to Post #33
Just my thoughts but one of the reasons flavours might be useful is because they consist of mostly very volatile components.
In any dryed meals used as boilie ingredients I assume most of the similar components that was originally there vanished along with the water during milling and drying.
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So in theory the volatile compounds of the flavour might help make the food signal more complete and hence enhance attraction.
Most research show that a more complex food extract will be more attractive than any single component or even a simpler mix.
Try fishing sweetcorn vs maize flour balls or tigernuts vs tigernuts meal.
Just my thoughts but one of the reasons flavours might be useful is because they consist of mostly very volatile components.
In any dryed meals used as boilie ingredients I assume most of the similar components that was originally there vanished along with the water during milling and drying.
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So in theory the volatile compounds of the flavour might help make the food signal more complete and hence enhance attraction.
Most research show that a more complex food extract will be more attractive than any single component or even a simpler mix.
Try fishing sweetcorn vs maize flour balls or tigernuts vs tigernuts meal.
In reply to Post #34
Absolutely mate. I really do rate real spice over flavours in everything I use. I used flavours for many, many years and only started playing with real spices a few years ago and the results speak for themselves. But I do like all of my baits to be based on a high quality, nutritional mix rather than the flavour carrier mixes which many use for single hookbaits so maybe that plays a big part in it?
Absolutely mate. I really do rate real spice over flavours in everything I use. I used flavours for many, many years and only started playing with real spices a few years ago and the results speak for themselves. But I do like all of my baits to be based on a high quality, nutritional mix rather than the flavour carrier mixes which many use for single hookbaits so maybe that plays a big part in it?
In reply to Post #33
Agree with those below, but if you are using the argument that just because its not common to use real fruit, it's not worth doing? Maybe we're missing out. Adding liquidised pineapple may be a starter, for example......
Agree with those below, but if you are using the argument that just because its not common to use real fruit, it's not worth doing? Maybe we're missing out. Adding liquidised pineapple may be a starter, for example......
In reply to Post #35
I'll take your word for it mate. I'm not really interested in the science and theory behind baits as such, I just like to tinker about with things and see what happens for myself. It works very well for me
I'll take your word for it mate. I'm not really interested in the science and theory behind baits as such, I just like to tinker about with things and see what happens for myself. It works very well for me
In reply to Post #35
I'll take your word for it mate. I'm not really interested in the science and theory behind baits as such, I just like to tinker about with things and see what happens for myself. It works very well for me
I'll take your word for it mate. I'm not really interested in the science and theory behind baits as such, I just like to tinker about with things and see what happens for myself. It works very well for me
In reply to Post #37
Maybe, not sure how well the bait would keep with fresh fruit in though?
Maybe, not sure how well the bait would keep with fresh fruit in though?
In reply to Post #37
Certain fruits, mashed up, do stimulate carp, same with vegetables. I think they loose there natural appeal when put inside a bait though, far better to make a fish, shrimp and fruit smoothie and let some chops drink in the goodness lol.
Remember organic acids found in fruits as well as the monosacheride fruit sugars are proven stimulatory agents for carp.
Certain fruits, mashed up, do stimulate carp, same with vegetables. I think they loose there natural appeal when put inside a bait though, far better to make a fish, shrimp and fruit smoothie and let some chops drink in the goodness lol.
Remember organic acids found in fruits as well as the monosacheride fruit sugars are proven stimulatory agents for carp.
In reply to Post #37
I'm sure you are on the wind up, but considering most fruit is 80-90% water it's not a clever idea.
I'm sure you are on the wind up, but considering most fruit is 80-90% water it's not a clever idea.
I did well on the Pete b mix years ago with no flavour just added cayenne pepper.
In reply to Post #42
Because?
Because?
In reply to Post #44
How much base mix are you having to use just to absorb water and make it roll?
How much base mix are you having to use just to absorb water and make it roll?
In reply to Post #43
It needed no flavour so I added cayenne pepper.
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It needed no flavour so I added cayenne pepper.
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