In reply to Post #26
John Baker plum and N Butryic go very, very well togther
John Baker plum and N Butryic go very, very well togther
In reply to Post #30
if stored correctly many years
if stored correctly many years
In reply to Post #13
I was going to ask this, has anyone tried added say 5 or 6 drops to a pot of pop ups afterwards and letting it soak/dry into the pop ups?
I was going to ask this, has anyone tried added say 5 or 6 drops to a pot of pop ups afterwards and letting it soak/dry into the pop ups?
In reply to Post #33
Yes, done 2ml without problems, can be an overwhelming odour and will come through the pot quite a bit is all
Yes, done 2ml without problems, can be an overwhelming odour and will come through the pot quite a bit is all
In reply to Post #1
Before you start adding NBA to your pineapple flavour, make sure if possible, to find out from the manufacturer if that flavour already has a certain amount of NBA in it already
Before you start adding NBA to your pineapple flavour, make sure if possible, to find out from the manufacturer if that flavour already has a certain amount of NBA in it already
In reply to Post #35
It likely will if its one of the ester based pineapples!, ethyl butanoate mainly, but also methyl butanoate and butyl butanoate
We make it all the time (for fun, its cheaper to buy pure), ethanol and butyric acid form ethyl butanoate however you cannot accurately gauge what butyric % is left without lab testing every single sample. you can always tell it as there is a bit of a back note though.
Think John Baker, Solar, CCmoore, etc who have ester pineapple flavours, its usually but not always one of those three, and certainly ethyl butanoate seems to outperform the others in terms of stimulating an investigative response from fish, although this could be the residual butyric acid.
As for finding out before, they'll usually say if they are blending in butyric post production. however its always worth adding a little more as its extremely soluble. you'll struggle to overdo it in a workable paste.
Quite why everyone is still including the N in its name I don't know lol.
It likely will if its one of the ester based pineapples!, ethyl butanoate mainly, but also methyl butanoate and butyl butanoate
We make it all the time (for fun, its cheaper to buy pure), ethanol and butyric acid form ethyl butanoate however you cannot accurately gauge what butyric % is left without lab testing every single sample. you can always tell it as there is a bit of a back note though.
Think John Baker, Solar, CCmoore, etc who have ester pineapple flavours, its usually but not always one of those three, and certainly ethyl butanoate seems to outperform the others in terms of stimulating an investigative response from fish, although this could be the residual butyric acid.
As for finding out before, they'll usually say if they are blending in butyric post production. however its always worth adding a little more as its extremely soluble. you'll struggle to overdo it in a workable paste.
Quite why everyone is still including the N in its name I don't know lol.
In reply to Post #36
why everyone is still including the N in its name I don't know lol.
It just seems N-ormal nowadays
1 Allyl hexanoate 10.83/wt%
2 Allyl heptanoate 10.69
3 Allyl cyclohexanepropionate 4.72
4 1% Ethyl 3-methylthiopropionate 0.15
5 1% Methyl 3-methylthiopropionate 0.17
6 Ethyl butyrate 0.29
7 Isoamyl acetate 0.31
8 Isoamyl butyrate 0.79
9 Ethyl acetate 0.14
10 Sweet orange oil 8.70
11 Lemon oil 0.75
12 Citral 0.02
13 γ-undecalactone 0.63
14 γ-nonalactone 0.64
15 Vanillin 1.57
16 Maltol 1.82
17 10% furaneol 0.26
18 Ethyl hexanoate 0.13
19 Ethyl heptanoate 0.67
20 γ-valerolactone 0.23
21 γ-hexalactone 0.21
22 γ-heptalactone 0.01
23 Acetic acid 0.01
24 1% Methional 0.01
25 Pineapple base 2.50
26 Ethanol 40.7
27 Propylene glycol 13.05
28 Total 100
All that for pineapple Better start calling it n-pineapple 
why everyone is still including the N in its name I don't know lol.
It just seems N-ormal nowadays
1 Allyl hexanoate 10.83/wt%
2 Allyl heptanoate 10.69
3 Allyl cyclohexanepropionate 4.72
4 1% Ethyl 3-methylthiopropionate 0.15
5 1% Methyl 3-methylthiopropionate 0.17
6 Ethyl butyrate 0.29
7 Isoamyl acetate 0.31
8 Isoamyl butyrate 0.79
9 Ethyl acetate 0.14
10 Sweet orange oil 8.70
11 Lemon oil 0.75
12 Citral 0.02
13 γ-undecalactone 0.63
14 γ-nonalactone 0.64
15 Vanillin 1.57
16 Maltol 1.82
17 10% furaneol 0.26
18 Ethyl hexanoate 0.13
19 Ethyl heptanoate 0.67
20 γ-valerolactone 0.23
21 γ-hexalactone 0.21
22 γ-heptalactone 0.01
23 Acetic acid 0.01
24 1% Methional 0.01
25 Pineapple base 2.50
26 Ethanol 40.7
27 Propylene glycol 13.05
28 Total 100
All that for pineapple
Better start calling it n-pineapple
In reply to Post #37
That's only one of the possible formulations. Each flavour house can have multiple variations on it.
That's only one of the possible formulations. Each flavour house can have multiple variations on it.
In reply to Post #37
Who's recipe did ya steal? 😂
Yeah so my uncle in a chemist and has access to a lab, but I'm not putting him through that for some pineapple lol.
I'll just pay a hacker to find out mainlines pineapple juice recipe lol be cheaper than buying all the components!
Who's recipe did ya steal? 😂
Yeah so my uncle in a chemist and has access to a lab, but I'm not putting him through that for some pineapple lol.
I'll just pay a hacker to find out mainlines pineapple juice recipe lol be cheaper than buying all the components!
In reply to Post #39
Funny you say that about Mainlines Pineapple 
I´ve tried & tested RH Pineapple Supreme vs JB Pineapple vs Catchit Pineapple vs Vital Baits Pineapple vs Nashbait Pineapple, and the results were astonishing to say the least. Surprisingly took Mainline a firm lead, and accounted for 85% catch rate, with the rest sharing the remaining 15%. Mainline HL Pineapple definately has something very interesting in that recipe, and stands out above the rest, in EVERY lake i´ve visited.
That´s both bottom baits and popups
Funny you say that about Mainlines Pineapple
I´ve tried & tested RH Pineapple Supreme vs JB Pineapple vs Catchit Pineapple vs Vital Baits Pineapple vs Nashbait Pineapple, and the results were astonishing to say the least. Surprisingly took Mainline a firm lead, and accounted for 85% catch rate, with the rest sharing the remaining 15%. Mainline HL Pineapple definately has something very interesting in that recipe, and stands out above the rest, in EVERY lake i´ve visited.
That´s both bottom baits and popups
In reply to Post #40
It's because of tge cool little oval bottle.
I just remember liking the smell, a lot juicier than most of them. However I put my faith more in naturals that flavours just because I'm a firm believer that big carp know what food is the same as big people do....
Or on that note maybe the fatty carp aren't fussy at all? 😬
It's because of tge cool little oval bottle.
I just remember liking the smell, a lot juicier than most of them. However I put my faith more in naturals that flavours just because I'm a firm believer that big carp know what food is the same as big people do....
Or on that note maybe the fatty carp aren't fussy at all? 😬
In reply to Post #40
What was the test to get such an accurate percentage reading of the outcome?
What was the test to get such an accurate percentage reading of the outcome?
In reply to Post #42
Data from 4 different anglers, rotating on different venues
Data from 4 different anglers, rotating on different venues
Isn't the original question more about the level in hookbaits. Nothing new saying you can use higher levels in hookbaits vs loose feed. I'd happily go to 40 drops per tub of pop ups. It's readily soluble and only a single hookbait.
I've worked in a lab for 40 years and can access most chemicals. NBA (C4) does appear to be good. In my earlier years I played around with other acids, C5-C8 , N or branched but never seen a great improvement. But catching just a few carp hardly proves anything scientifically other than nothing jumps out as special to me.
Nutrabaits have caproic acid which is is n-C6. Higher the C number, the lower the water solubility so higher use rate possible.
I've worked in a lab for 40 years and can access most chemicals. NBA (C4) does appear to be good. In my earlier years I played around with other acids, C5-C8 , N or branched but never seen a great improvement. But catching just a few carp hardly proves anything scientifically other than nothing jumps out as special to me.
Nutrabaits have caproic acid which is is n-C6. Higher the C number, the lower the water solubility so higher use rate possible.
In reply to Post #44
I'm as thick as a bible when it comes to that sort of stuff. What does the N actually mean?
I'm as thick as a bible when it comes to that sort of stuff. What does the N actually mean?