In reply to Post #16
I think it's a bit unfair to say that waters charging big money are "pulling people's pants down".
Some syndicates/limited membership waters are lucky to pay very low rents and the inferstructure and stock have been in place for a long time.
Buying and stocking a water is very, very expensive, as are some leases, and people expecting a return on their investment seems reasonable to me.
Don't forget that a lot of the cheap tickets from companies such as RMC etc. were in effect government subsidised.
I think it's a bit unfair to say that waters charging big money are "pulling people's pants down".
Some syndicates/limited membership waters are lucky to pay very low rents and the inferstructure and stock have been in place for a long time.
Buying and stocking a water is very, very expensive, as are some leases, and people expecting a return on their investment seems reasonable to me.
Don't forget that a lot of the cheap tickets from companies such as RMC etc. were in effect government subsidised.
In reply to Post #29
I seem to remember DDAPS required you to have a DA1 postcode - I didn't know anyone that did, so couldn't blag it
I seem to remember DDAPS required you to have a DA1 postcode - I didn't know anyone that did, so couldn't blag it
In reply to Post #27
I do work on a house/estate nr Heathrow airport..lovely lake in the grounds with some right lumps in it.i asked the game keeper if I could have a couple of nights fishing it, hes reply. yes if you don't mind getting shot..
I do work on a house/estate nr Heathrow airport..lovely lake in the grounds with some right lumps in it.i asked the game keeper if I could have a couple of nights fishing it, hes reply. yes if you don't mind getting shot..
In reply to Post #33
In reply to Post #33
His reply "yes if you don't mind getting shot"
Your reply " no problem, as long as you use blanks"
His reply "yes if you don't mind getting shot"
Your reply " no problem, as long as you use blanks"
In reply to Post #1
You southerners should think yourselves lucky that such waters even exist! - very few around these parts, Lancashire that is. Im on one now, but if I wasn't I wouldn't know where to go. There are rumours of the odd stitched up place but god knows how you'd get in.
That said my club water has been quiet for 20 years, just me and a handful of guys have grown up fishing it, sadly invaded by bell ends last year so I gave the ticket up.
You southerners should think yourselves lucky that such waters even exist! - very few around these parts, Lancashire that is. Im on one now, but if I wasn't I wouldn't know where to go. There are rumours of the odd stitched up place but god knows how you'd get in.
That said my club water has been quiet for 20 years, just me and a handful of guys have grown up fishing it, sadly invaded by bell ends last year so I gave the ticket up.
In reply to Post #36
The danger of club waters. That's why I'd always favour waters that require members to be interviewed. Plus no one drops their tickets for no reason on good society waters, meaning you can't have an influx of bellends in one year, cos only a handful of tickets turn over each year, and who's gonna risk their ticket by proposing a complete Hampton.
The danger of club waters. That's why I'd always favour waters that require members to be interviewed. Plus no one drops their tickets for no reason on good society waters, meaning you can't have an influx of bellends in one year, cos only a handful of tickets turn over each year, and who's gonna risk their ticket by proposing a complete Hampton.
In reply to Post #31
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.
My small syndicate is £100 a year, very limited numbers. My other tickets are also unbelievable value.
When I was on Jackdaw, Stuart could have easily charged £1000 a year for that ticket and he'd have sold every one, he's invested thousands of pounds and thousands of hours to make that a special place. He could coin it in, but when I was on there It was about £300, if that. He could have whacked the price right up and pocketed a healthy sum but it wasn't about that.
I personally think a lot of these hyper expensive waters are essentially a commercial enterprise. The needs of the business and the business owner will always be prioritised over the needs of the members. Proper syndicates, societies and owners who are in it for the love of it, prove it can be done to a mega high standard without the need for huge ticket prices.
I think we'll have to agree to disagree on that one.
My small syndicate is £100 a year, very limited numbers. My other tickets are also unbelievable value.
When I was on Jackdaw, Stuart could have easily charged £1000 a year for that ticket and he'd have sold every one, he's invested thousands of pounds and thousands of hours to make that a special place. He could coin it in, but when I was on there It was about £300, if that. He could have whacked the price right up and pocketed a healthy sum but it wasn't about that.
I personally think a lot of these hyper expensive waters are essentially a commercial enterprise. The needs of the business and the business owner will always be prioritised over the needs of the members. Proper syndicates, societies and owners who are in it for the love of it, prove it can be done to a mega high standard without the need for huge ticket prices.
In reply to Post #35
the sultan of Brunei;s game keepers don't use blanks.
the sultan of Brunei;s game keepers don't use blanks.
In reply to Post #38
I'm not saying that much of what you say is wrong, but waters around here lease for such high sums that even a genuine syndicate couldn't keep prices low, with low membership numbers.
What I was really getting at is that if someone purchases a water like Grenville, Wrasbury or the Quarry in Essex and spends a large amount of money why shouldn't they expect a decent return on their investment? I don't consider them to be taking the mickey with their prices.
I think it's one of the good things about fishing, that there are different types of waters, at different price points to keep everyone happy.
I'm not saying that much of what you say is wrong, but waters around here lease for such high sums that even a genuine syndicate couldn't keep prices low, with low membership numbers.
What I was really getting at is that if someone purchases a water like Grenville, Wrasbury or the Quarry in Essex and spends a large amount of money why shouldn't they expect a decent return on their investment? I don't consider them to be taking the mickey with their prices.
I think it's one of the good things about fishing, that there are different types of waters, at different price points to keep everyone happy.
In reply to Post #40
All of those lakes you mention are business ventures and in it to make money. Plenty of anglers willing to pay top dollar to fish their water. Not many proper syndicates around where people run it for the love.
All of those lakes you mention are business ventures and in it to make money. Plenty of anglers willing to pay top dollar to fish their water. Not many proper syndicates around where people run it for the love.
In reply to Post #38
Totally agree with you especially your last paragraph. There's nothing "essentially" about it. Commercial waters for anglers with fat wallet's, calling themselves syndicated is false advertising. Each to their own though.
Totally agree with you especially your last paragraph. There's nothing "essentially" about it. Commercial waters for anglers with fat wallet's, calling themselves syndicated is false advertising. Each to their own though.
In reply to Post #42
No different to game shooting syndicates.
Although that would put make fishing syndicate prices look like a pittance!
No different to game shooting syndicates.
Although that would put make fishing syndicate prices look like a pittance!
Hmm I pay approx £3k a year on x2 syndicates and one club (access to 8 lakes 3 acres to 70+ acres), two have publicity bans and all require proposal and interview to join. The club I waited 13 years for a full membership so have been patient! I know the cost would be prohibative to many but as I see it I/m nearly 60 old and been carp fishing for forty years, I want to fish waters with like minded people and fish knowing my tackle and I am safe from people trying to steal it! I have done my 'apprenticeship' fishing Hampstead ponds, the stow, many Boyer waters in the valley (harefield, Rodney Meadow, Farlows etc) and fished a few club waters in my youth. So for my £3k I get piece of mind the oppotunity to fish for very large english fish and feel safe. This is still less thany many golf clubs and as previously mentioned shoots.
Michael
Michael
In reply to Post #37
I refuse to join my local club, even though it has a couple of waters with carp to over 30lb, but I can't be bothered competing for bank space with the number of local anglers. Even midweek it can be sewn up in the area the fish are in, and at £130 a season to allow you to fish nights, it is too much for the limited amount of water.
I preferred to travel from Suffolk to the Lee Valley and fish at £160 on Nazeing where there is more bank space and more big fish, over 40lb
This year I was lucky enough to get a ticket on a 45acre lake syndicate with a couple of 40's, yet I have seen a maximum of 10anglers on there at a weekend. £300 well spent simply for the surroundings and quietness.
This is an a county with very few easy to get on waters.
Much better than day ticket waters!
I refuse to join my local club, even though it has a couple of waters with carp to over 30lb, but I can't be bothered competing for bank space with the number of local anglers. Even midweek it can be sewn up in the area the fish are in, and at £130 a season to allow you to fish nights, it is too much for the limited amount of water.
I preferred to travel from Suffolk to the Lee Valley and fish at £160 on Nazeing where there is more bank space and more big fish, over 40lb
This year I was lucky enough to get a ticket on a 45acre lake syndicate with a couple of 40's, yet I have seen a maximum of 10anglers on there at a weekend. £300 well spent simply for the surroundings and quietness.
This is an a county with very few easy to get on waters.
Much better than day ticket waters!