In reply to Post #29
Not a crime mate, just not as important as you are making out for carping.
Not a crime mate, just not as important as you are making out for carping.
The adverts I saw were 680 grams. 640 or less makes quite a difference imo.
They are clearly very good reels, albeit on the heavy side for a mid range reel. If you don't think the extra 30% weight is a problem then grab yourself a bargain. If you do stick to Daiwa or Shimano. I don't think I can say it fairer than that...
They are clearly very good reels, albeit on the heavy side for a mid range reel. If you don't think the extra 30% weight is a problem then grab yourself a bargain. If you do stick to Daiwa or Shimano. I don't think I can say it fairer than that...
In reply to Post #30
Did you have isos at some point too?
I'm using the emblem 20 scw 45 lgbtq lmfao, I love the look but they feel a bit flimsy, and the high gearing accentuates that, particularly when fishing in weed
Did you have isos at some point too?
I'm using the emblem 20 scw 45 lgbtq lmfao, I love the look but they feel a bit flimsy, and the high gearing accentuates that, particularly when fishing in weed
In reply to Post #33
Yes I did
Yes I did
In reply to Post #32
Cool
And thanks for the debate guys. It's really helped me make my mind up. Rather than sticking with Shimano and forking out circa 100% more than the Penns, I've opted to steer away from Shimano as weight certainly is not a factor for me. Not when we're talking around 100g. If it's an issue I'll just start doing an extra gym session at the weekend
Really appreciate everyone's input and I'm all about value for money. If they want to use aluminium instead of carbon to save some wonga, I'm happy with that.
Cool
And thanks for the debate guys. It's really helped me make my mind up. Rather than sticking with Shimano and forking out circa 100% more than the Penns, I've opted to steer away from Shimano as weight certainly is not a factor for me. Not when we're talking around 100g. If it's an issue I'll just start doing an extra gym session at the weekend
Really appreciate everyone's input and I'm all about value for money. If they want to use aluminium instead of carbon to save some wonga, I'm happy with that.
In reply to Post #35
If the penns are that good I'm gonna have to get a set to try...
If the penns are that good I'm gonna have to get a set to try...
only problem with the penns, after the first 7000, they all got silly logos and stuff all over them, less is more with logos etc, ive got the mk2 7000 ltd, and there better than my shimano c14, and on par with my okuma
In reply to Post #37
I can live with ****ty looking logos at £100 a pop. Although they don't look bad to me.
I can live with ****ty looking logos at £100 a pop. Although they don't look bad to me.
In reply to Post #37
If you've got some isopropyl alcohol lying about I'd imagine most of that will rub off. Also if you try this don't blame me if it goes tits up
If you've got some isopropyl alcohol lying about I'd imagine most of that will rub off. Also if you try this don't blame me if it goes tits up
In reply to Post #22
I fully agree , I wouldn't consider a 700g reel at any price , I'm not slating heavy reels but for me a reel should be as light weight as possible as well have fast retrieval , smooth clutch , good casting , and impeccable reliability , I regularly fish at long range and feel a lighter reel is a joy to wind in but a heavy reel becomes a mundane chore .
My reels of choice have all this and more , I've had all brands and different types from Daiwa , Shimano , Penn , etc... I wouldn't part with my old Penn 525 mag multiplier reels ( Original USA version ) they are still like new , I also own a set of Penn Surfblaster sea reels which have been ok but they do not perform anywhere near as well as my old Ultegra Ci4 14000 for performance casting because they are just too heavy , this is only exaggerated even more when retrieving .
Horses for courses though and everyone has an opinion , I like light reels , if I have to pay a lot more so be it
I fully agree , I wouldn't consider a 700g reel at any price , I'm not slating heavy reels but for me a reel should be as light weight as possible as well have fast retrieval , smooth clutch , good casting , and impeccable reliability , I regularly fish at long range and feel a lighter reel is a joy to wind in but a heavy reel becomes a mundane chore .
My reels of choice have all this and more , I've had all brands and different types from Daiwa , Shimano , Penn , etc... I wouldn't part with my old Penn 525 mag multiplier reels ( Original USA version ) they are still like new , I also own a set of Penn Surfblaster sea reels which have been ok but they do not perform anywhere near as well as my old Ultegra Ci4 14000 for performance casting because they are just too heavy , this is only exaggerated even more when retrieving .
Horses for courses though and everyone has an opinion , I like light reels , if I have to pay a lot more so be it
In reply to Post #40
Agree 100% here
A lighter reel is surely better than a donkey heavyweight, remember the big bait runners great for retrieve power and crank power but crap for feel.
Bet you don't see heavy metal on the casting scene for good reason, lightness is the key ask Colin chapman
Agree 100% here
A lighter reel is surely better than a donkey heavyweight, remember the big bait runners great for retrieve power and crank power but crap for feel.
Bet you don't see heavy metal on the casting scene for good reason, lightness is the key ask Colin chapman
In reply to Post #34
What didn't you like about them?
What didn't you like about them?
Definitely lighter the better If you're fishing big waters - which these types are supposed to be used for - and finding spots at range, a lighter real has to be the one; stands to reason as it's going to be less knackering over time vs a heavier real.
I could make an analogy between a heavy 35lb cross country mountain bike that's loaded with Shimano's cheap components vs one tricked out in Shimano's XTR groupset weighing 25lb. Yeah both components do the same job, but after lifting the heavier bike over obstacles ect vs the lightweight bike that's as light as a feather and much more reactive and easier to peddle up hill, lightweight bike wins all day long. You're never going to see a 35lb plusser in any cross country competitions for good reason.
I suppose it all comes down to what you're happy with, where you're fishing and how deep your pockets are. If you're fishing smaller waters where you're not banging out at mega ranges then maybe a heavier reel is fine, but if you're having to cast at range, lighter reel all day long simply due to fatigue with a heavier reel plus you're going to be able to generate quicker hand speed with a lighter reel - physics'. If you're using a boat of any description, light vs heavy goes out the window to a large extent, but, are you always going to be using some kind of boat?
I could make an analogy between a heavy 35lb cross country mountain bike that's loaded with Shimano's cheap components vs one tricked out in Shimano's XTR groupset weighing 25lb. Yeah both components do the same job, but after lifting the heavier bike over obstacles ect vs the lightweight bike that's as light as a feather and much more reactive and easier to peddle up hill, lightweight bike wins all day long. You're never going to see a 35lb plusser in any cross country competitions for good reason.
I suppose it all comes down to what you're happy with, where you're fishing and how deep your pockets are. If you're fishing smaller waters where you're not banging out at mega ranges then maybe a heavier reel is fine, but if you're having to cast at range, lighter reel all day long simply due to fatigue with a heavier reel plus you're going to be able to generate quicker hand speed with a lighter reel - physics'. If you're using a boat of any description, light vs heavy goes out the window to a large extent, but, are you always going to be using some kind of boat?
All this talk of reel weight seems a bit extreme to me. Nearly every carp angler I see uses a Daiwa Emblem Spod reel and that is a 690gm reel. It also gets used for long periods of repeated casting on a heavy spod rod.
So will using a light weight reel on your fishing rods really help you that much for a single cast, when you are going to then spod say 10 plus times over each spot you want to cast to?
So will using a light weight reel on your fishing rods really help you that much for a single cast, when you are going to then spod say 10 plus times over each spot you want to cast to?
In reply to Post #44
You've kinda answered your own question in a way. Okay, so spombing out 30 spombs @100yds... not so bad even with a heavy spod/reel combo, now try 30kg in one go... F**ked! Now if you had a light spod/reel combo that could do the same job, not so knackred.
In respect to your rod you're fishing with, similar applies. If you're casting @100yds for arguments sakes, even spraying it all over the shop looking for that perfect spot for ages isn't going to be that bad, but if you're banging out say 150yds, it's going to be noticeable how much more effort you're exhausting to get out there spraying it all over the place, so a lighter reel would be better, plus I'd say - as I've already mentioned - a lighter reel is easier to generate the hand speed to even get out to 150yds in the first place.
You've kinda answered your own question in a way. Okay, so spombing out 30 spombs @100yds... not so bad even with a heavy spod/reel combo, now try 30kg in one go... F**ked! Now if you had a light spod/reel combo that could do the same job, not so knackred.
In respect to your rod you're fishing with, similar applies. If you're casting @100yds for arguments sakes, even spraying it all over the shop looking for that perfect spot for ages isn't going to be that bad, but if you're banging out say 150yds, it's going to be noticeable how much more effort you're exhausting to get out there spraying it all over the place, so a lighter reel would be better, plus I'd say - as I've already mentioned - a lighter reel is easier to generate the hand speed to even get out to 150yds in the first place.