In reply to Post #17
spent a week in the priest hole in 1998ish , scariest lake I've ever fished. caught some really old leany warriors.
spent a week in the priest hole in 1998ish , scariest lake I've ever fished. caught some really old leany warriors.
In reply to Post #31
Father Angelus was watching you, prity sure it was a tin mine though not copper as p17 eluded to.
Father Angelus was watching you, prity sure it was a tin mine though not copper as p17 eluded to.
In reply to Post #32
woke up at night heard a noise plucked up the courage for a piss. Deer shot out in front of me smashing through the undergrowth. so many spooky stories about the place
woke up at night heard a noise plucked up the courage for a piss. Deer shot out in front of me smashing through the undergrowth. so many spooky stories about the place
In reply to Post #33
Yep and rumours of suicides years ago.
Yep and rumours of suicides years ago.
In reply to Post #27
I think that Leneys as a phrase can be quite misleading. No doubt about it, there were numerous different strains sold by Leney, so to class Leney as a strain, as some do, is not correct. Take the famous stockings....the Redmire fish are very different to the Frensham fish, the Billing fish, Savay...etc etc,
There was just something particularly special about the Redmire ones for me. A truly unique mix of leathers, several leathers in fact....zip linears....scattered mirrors and the perfect commons. You could not have stocked a more glorious spread of carp. Some of them were perfect, the Bishop, Pinky, the nude leather. Perfect.
I think the problem is that the stock was neglected, due to an understandable lack of foresight in the early days. Successful spawning lead to the mirrors being squeezed out, the big old magnificent fish died, Castle carp was a disaster and the bloodline was lost.
Most of the fish which have been stocked from Redmire into other lakes were commons, collected as babies in the early days and then in later years by RMC amongst others. These fish are superb examples but the chance to collect the next generation of Bishops was missed. Not just Redmire either...Frensham, the Reading waters, Savay etc....I done think there were many examples of the true original masterpieces providing another generation.
I'm rambling! I agree with you, the progeny have often not lived up to the original. The chance was missed.
I think that Leneys as a phrase can be quite misleading. No doubt about it, there were numerous different strains sold by Leney, so to class Leney as a strain, as some do, is not correct. Take the famous stockings....the Redmire fish are very different to the Frensham fish, the Billing fish, Savay...etc etc,
There was just something particularly special about the Redmire ones for me. A truly unique mix of leathers, several leathers in fact....zip linears....scattered mirrors and the perfect commons. You could not have stocked a more glorious spread of carp. Some of them were perfect, the Bishop, Pinky, the nude leather. Perfect.
I think the problem is that the stock was neglected, due to an understandable lack of foresight in the early days. Successful spawning lead to the mirrors being squeezed out, the big old magnificent fish died, Castle carp was a disaster and the bloodline was lost.
Most of the fish which have been stocked from Redmire into other lakes were commons, collected as babies in the early days and then in later years by RMC amongst others. These fish are superb examples but the chance to collect the next generation of Bishops was missed. Not just Redmire either...Frensham, the Reading waters, Savay etc....I done think there were many examples of the true original masterpieces providing another generation.
I'm rambling! I agree with you, the progeny have often not lived up to the original. The chance was missed.
In reply to Post #35
The castle carp disaster? Very near to me and all I've heard are stories and rumours. Frencham restocking short sighted, still a couple of originals in there, maybe. The three ponds not far from Frencham still a few in there definitely. Skefs writing re the work on Redmire and the measures required to not just to restore it but protect it from what happens around it were very interesting and I'm glad people like him still have the passion for it.
The castle carp disaster? Very near to me and all I've heard are stories and rumours. Frencham restocking short sighted, still a couple of originals in there, maybe. The three ponds not far from Frencham still a few in there definitely. Skefs writing re the work on Redmire and the measures required to not just to restore it but protect it from what happens around it were very interesting and I'm glad people like him still have the passion for it.
In reply to Post #32
BB himself calls it The old Copper mine,it does however have a very interesting history,which is in his famous book,however,back in the mists of time,Cornish tin miners worked there. Cornish miners are known as cousin jacks,when the price of tin dropped,thousands of miners took there skills world wide,Australia ,New Zealand,The America's and so on..
Hence,why so many Kernow place names world wide..
There's a saying ,where there is a hole in the ground you'll find a Cornish man,not forgetting the Cambourne school of mines, and the world famous blue slate quarry, which members of my family worked down,including Prince of Wales, quarry nr Tintagel..
Some fisherman's friends songs,tell of the trials and travels of Cornish miners worldwide,indeed a family member is lead singer in a well known group called'Cousin Jack',bit like the fisherman's friends or Boscastle Bouys.
The footprints in the leaves, Elias and his suicide,plus others all add to a very special atmosphere... Have fished all the known swims,even during the day,you know BB is watching,making sure you respect the place...
I mentioned before,once or twice,I'm well into history,ive been privvy to stuff,that no one will ever know about..ie BM
Out of respect to The Golden Scale club, and the lucky few that's all I'm saying...
I'm meant to be fishing there soon,again..but not now,due to this awful virus....my heart and prayers to everyone, at this time,I'm still gutted I won't be going now..
BB himself calls it The old Copper mine,it does however have a very interesting history,which is in his famous book,however,back in the mists of time,Cornish tin miners worked there. Cornish miners are known as cousin jacks,when the price of tin dropped,thousands of miners took there skills world wide,Australia ,New Zealand,The America's and so on..
Hence,why so many Kernow place names world wide..
There's a saying ,where there is a hole in the ground you'll find a Cornish man,not forgetting the Cambourne school of mines, and the world famous blue slate quarry, which members of my family worked down,including Prince of Wales, quarry nr Tintagel..
Some fisherman's friends songs,tell of the trials and travels of Cornish miners worldwide,indeed a family member is lead singer in a well known group called'Cousin Jack',bit like the fisherman's friends or Boscastle Bouys.
The footprints in the leaves, Elias and his suicide,plus others all add to a very special atmosphere... Have fished all the known swims,even during the day,you know BB is watching,making sure you respect the place...
I mentioned before,once or twice,I'm well into history,ive been privvy to stuff,that no one will ever know about..ie BM
Out of respect to The Golden Scale club, and the lucky few that's all I'm saying...
I'm meant to be fishing there soon,again..but not now,due to this awful virus....my heart and prayers to everyone, at this time,I'm still gutted I won't be going now..
In reply to Post #35
Hi mate,'There was just something particulary special about 'etc etc,well,those scale patterns were very much in evidence in the top pool at Shillamill,especially zip linears,lean mean,spool emptying, fighting machines...
I have a poignant picture of a perfect zip I caught it on a weekend,the next weekend I went,I found it in three separate parts,near the dead tree swim,on the high bank,I remember the body part regeneration on its tail as if it was yesterday..
It had clearly been attacked before,tried to heal and regenerate,then finally,like 80% of those beautiful fish,succumbed to untimely death by lutra lutra..
The owners,by then good friends,one of them especially, suffered health issues,such was the pain of senseless murder..of his fish..and the other fishery across the road..
But that's another story...!!
Hi mate,'There was just something particulary special about 'etc etc,well,those scale patterns were very much in evidence in the top pool at Shillamill,especially zip linears,lean mean,spool emptying, fighting machines...
I have a poignant picture of a perfect zip I caught it on a weekend,the next weekend I went,I found it in three separate parts,near the dead tree swim,on the high bank,I remember the body part regeneration on its tail as if it was yesterday..
It had clearly been attacked before,tried to heal and regenerate,then finally,like 80% of those beautiful fish,succumbed to untimely death by lutra lutra..
The owners,by then good friends,one of them especially, suffered health issues,such was the pain of senseless murder..of his fish..and the other fishery across the road..
But that's another story...!!
In reply to Post #35
Agree with all of that...
Agree with all of that...
In reply to Post #36
Thanks for that Goose - I think of Redmire these days as being like a National Trust property (I worked for NT for fifteen years). It's a pastiche in many ways these days of times gone by and the impacts of that time are painfully evident, from the built swims to the new otter fence and the changes in landscape management around the pool that made the restoration work necessary.... But there is still an underlying magic there and that sense of history.
Thanks for that Goose - I think of Redmire these days as being like a National Trust property (I worked for NT for fifteen years). It's a pastiche in many ways these days of times gone by and the impacts of that time are painfully evident, from the built swims to the new otter fence and the changes in landscape management around the pool that made the restoration work necessary.... But there is still an underlying magic there and that sense of history.
In reply to Post #37
We may be missing our first Golden Scale Club opening there for thirty-nine years Wandle
We may be missing our first Golden Scale Club opening there for thirty-nine years Wandle
In reply to Post #41
Feel for all members of GS..
Its gutting,my whole yr revolved going there,plans,dreaming,sleepless nights....oh well...😖
Feel for all members of GS..
Its gutting,my whole yr revolved going there,plans,dreaming,sleepless nights....oh well...😖
In reply to Post #40
A lot of my work is on national trust sites which I love as most are country locations and many have lakes as I'm sure you know. The history of the places and former residents is interesting and the stocking records would be very interesting, can only dream of what was once in these places fifty odd years ago.
A lot of my work is on national trust sites which I love as most are country locations and many have lakes as I'm sure you know. The history of the places and former residents is interesting and the stocking records would be very interesting, can only dream of what was once in these places fifty odd years ago.
In reply to Post #43
There are some real gems...
There are some real gems...
In reply to Post #43
Makes me wonder places like these. I know a few Stately homes, one of which is dear to my heart, fished it as a kid. Used to catch tiny carp in the early 80s on maggot which had to be from successful breeding contrary what people believe because until a fish kill from effluent in the early 90s to my knowledge nobody had ever put anything into it. Makes me wonder the bloodline of carp and how long they could actually survive for if they are breeding. Lake mentioned had no pike in it either which is surprising really so not such much predication other than herons etc.
Makes me wonder places like these. I know a few Stately homes, one of which is dear to my heart, fished it as a kid. Used to catch tiny carp in the early 80s on maggot which had to be from successful breeding contrary what people believe because until a fish kill from effluent in the early 90s to my knowledge nobody had ever put anything into it. Makes me wonder the bloodline of carp and how long they could actually survive for if they are breeding. Lake mentioned had no pike in it either which is surprising really so not such much predication other than herons etc.