In reply to Post #15
Do the rotors go in the same direction on both the Penn and Daiwa reels?
Do the rotors go in the same direction on both the Penn and Daiwa reels?
In reply to Post #15
God knows then
God knows then
In reply to Post #15
I think if you blindly follow a manufacturers (actually "suppliers" would be more accurate) guidelines for filling your reels then I'm afraid it is too much like pot luck...
I always put the new spool into a pan with a couple of inches of warm water and a little drip of washing up liquid (to break down surface tension), then reel the line through a damp cloth that also has a dot of washing up liquid on it.
After 20 or so turns I will slacken the line and see if it's curling or behaving. If it's curling I turn the spool over and continue. Another 20 turns and check again. If it's all OK then just crack on and load it.
I think if you blindly follow a manufacturers (actually "suppliers" would be more accurate) guidelines for filling your reels then I'm afraid it is too much like pot luck...
I always put the new spool into a pan with a couple of inches of warm water and a little drip of washing up liquid (to break down surface tension), then reel the line through a damp cloth that also has a dot of washing up liquid on it.
After 20 or so turns I will slacken the line and see if it's curling or behaving. If it's curling I turn the spool over and continue. Another 20 turns and check again. If it's all OK then just crack on and load it.
In reply to Post #15
What way do esp recommend?
Once upon a time you'd put a pencil or something through the hole and let the spool spin.
Then we were told to allow the line to come off the side of the spool.
Now some are saying we should revert to the original method which is what I've gone back to.
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What way do esp recommend?
Once upon a time you'd put a pencil or something through the hole and let the spool spin.
Then we were told to allow the line to come off the side of the spool.
Now some are saying we should revert to the original method which is what I've gone back to.
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In reply to Post #19
I've always soaked line overnight and wound it on using the pencil method, under tension through a damp cloth. Never let me down. Soaking mono overnight makes it act like cotton.
I've always soaked line overnight and wound it on using the pencil method, under tension through a damp cloth. Never let me down. Soaking mono overnight makes it act like cotton.
In reply to Post #19
Never understood the side of spool method. It doesn't get wound on that way, so why take it off that way? Definitely one way to add twist
Never understood the side of spool method. It doesn't get wound on that way, so why take it off that way? Definitely one way to add twist
In reply to Post #19
There is a video on YouTube of them loading synchro Xt they put it in a small container of water so the spool is standing up with the line coming off the back I've always done it like that and with a wet microfiber towel keeping tension on the line.
There is a video on YouTube of them loading synchro Xt they put it in a small container of water so the spool is standing up with the line coming off the back I've always done it like that and with a wet microfiber towel keeping tension on the line.
The reels themselves don't add line twist. Carp anglers do.
It does not matter what your personal preference of loading your mono onto your spools is. A pencil, or standing the spool on its side. You will still mess it up and add tonnes of twist unless you actually load it the correct way off the spool.
What is the correct way off the spool?
Well there are only two ways it can be loaded by the original manufacturer in regards where the label is placed on the spool, clockwise or anti clockwise. The trouble is, every manufacturer in China/Japan would seem to do it different, or can change at any time it also seems. I think myself personally, there is no set way. I think it's actually random. So you have a 50% chance of getting it wrong and adding loads of twist
Do this.
Connect your mainline onto the spool as normal and wind on five yards with the spool of line on it's flat side and the label facing up. This is the really important bit.... Stop and look at the line by the tip. If it is coiling badly when you take away tension, you are winding on the wrong way. You will twist the line really bad if you continue and fill your spool this way. Stop and turn the spool over. Wind on another five yards, stop and look at the line from the tip ring. It should be hanging limp with absolutely zero twist. You are now loading the correct way. You are coming off the spool the opposite way to which the mono was loaded onto the spool by the (original) manufacturer. Anyone telling you to do it floating in a bucket of water has no clue. It spins and rotates. 50% of the time as you load the spool you will be loading the line with loads of twist. There is a right way, and a wrong way. It is up to you to find out for yourself by doing what I just told you.
Mono soaked in warm water behaves by far the best as already mentioned. But it also serves another purpose. The warm water fills the mono and it expands ever so slightly. When you load the complete spool it is wet. When it dries, it tightens. Meaning you do not have any loose coils lower on the spool which affect line lay.
If your lines get twisted by you walking loads of line off the baitrunner/clutch all the time. Walk them out over a distance and reel in the bare line every now and then. The twist will all disappear.
Buying a different brand of reel will solve nothing. As others have mentioned you have to load the line correctly and then maintain it as well. 99% of carp anglers simply do not do this. Then moan about line twist.
It does not matter what your personal preference of loading your mono onto your spools is. A pencil, or standing the spool on its side. You will still mess it up and add tonnes of twist unless you actually load it the correct way off the spool.
What is the correct way off the spool?
Well there are only two ways it can be loaded by the original manufacturer in regards where the label is placed on the spool, clockwise or anti clockwise. The trouble is, every manufacturer in China/Japan would seem to do it different, or can change at any time it also seems. I think myself personally, there is no set way. I think it's actually random. So you have a 50% chance of getting it wrong and adding loads of twist
Do this.
Connect your mainline onto the spool as normal and wind on five yards with the spool of line on it's flat side and the label facing up. This is the really important bit.... Stop and look at the line by the tip. If it is coiling badly when you take away tension, you are winding on the wrong way. You will twist the line really bad if you continue and fill your spool this way. Stop and turn the spool over. Wind on another five yards, stop and look at the line from the tip ring. It should be hanging limp with absolutely zero twist. You are now loading the correct way. You are coming off the spool the opposite way to which the mono was loaded onto the spool by the (original) manufacturer. Anyone telling you to do it floating in a bucket of water has no clue. It spins and rotates. 50% of the time as you load the spool you will be loading the line with loads of twist. There is a right way, and a wrong way. It is up to you to find out for yourself by doing what I just told you.
Mono soaked in warm water behaves by far the best as already mentioned. But it also serves another purpose. The warm water fills the mono and it expands ever so slightly. When you load the complete spool it is wet. When it dries, it tightens. Meaning you do not have any loose coils lower on the spool which affect line lay.
If your lines get twisted by you walking loads of line off the baitrunner/clutch all the time. Walk them out over a distance and reel in the bare line every now and then. The twist will all disappear.
Buying a different brand of reel will solve nothing. As others have mentioned you have to load the line correctly and then maintain it as well. 99% of carp anglers simply do not do this. Then moan about line twist.
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In reply to Post #20
Same here, never had any twist doing it this way so I've never changed my way of loading it no matter what the manufacturers state
Same here, never had any twist doing it this way so I've never changed my way of loading it no matter what the manufacturers state
I got a set of obsidians over 2 months ago. I go fishing 2 to 3 times a week and have just got the kit that enables me to night fish and I have done that twice already over the last 10 days or so. (i would like to think im not a fairweather angler is the point I'm trying to make)
I love the reels, line lay is great, casts well, drag initiates very smoothly. The one thing i wish i could change about them is the quick drag, it feels like it is about a third of a turn (maybe less) from free spool to locked up. So there has been times during a fight where im wanting an additional click because i feel the drag is too light or too strong.
There was a away on old wychwood reels where you could take a spring out of the drag cap, compress it and it would make the reel closer to a Quick Drag setup, thinking i might be able to do the same with my obsidians but stretch the spring out instead.
It's not essential, they still perform great as they are and wont cost me any fish.
I love the reels, line lay is great, casts well, drag initiates very smoothly. The one thing i wish i could change about them is the quick drag, it feels like it is about a third of a turn (maybe less) from free spool to locked up. So there has been times during a fight where im wanting an additional click because i feel the drag is too light or too strong.
There was a away on old wychwood reels where you could take a spring out of the drag cap, compress it and it would make the reel closer to a Quick Drag setup, thinking i might be able to do the same with my obsidians but stretch the spring out instead.
It's not essential, they still perform great as they are and wont cost me any fish.
In reply to Post #21
My understanding of the side of spool method is that you are adding twist by putting it on your reel ‘sideways' so if you take it off the bulk spool the opposite way it counteracts the twist you're adding at the reel. No idea if there's truth in this but it does make some logical sense.
My understanding of the side of spool method is that you are adding twist by putting it on your reel ‘sideways' so if you take it off the bulk spool the opposite way it counteracts the twist you're adding at the reel. No idea if there's truth in this but it does make some logical sense.
In reply to Post #27
Id of thought it was more logical to remove it from the bulk spool the reverse of how it went onto it, and that your bail arm roller prevented adding twist? Hence that's why they make those spool holders to help with loading your reels the way they do
Id of thought it was more logical to remove it from the bulk spool the reverse of how it went onto it, and that your bail arm roller prevented adding twist? Hence that's why they make those spool holders to help with loading your reels the way they do
In reply to Post #26
I bought a set as wanted a change from the shimano xtd's, the obsidian are a massive upgrade, they feel quality, look brilliant and as you say perform, makes me chuckle when people ask about them on here and everyone talks about other reels or line lay etc, for me it's spec, if looking surely it's spec v spec?
Anyway, if you look on a previous search of okuma obsidian, one guy spoke about a quarter of turn from free running to locked up, he changed the washers to felt from westons I think and said he's got 3/4 to a full turn now, which sounds perfect, when the weather changes like Arnie, 'I be back' with different washers in mine 😉
I bought a set as wanted a change from the shimano xtd's, the obsidian are a massive upgrade, they feel quality, look brilliant and as you say perform, makes me chuckle when people ask about them on here and everyone talks about other reels or line lay etc, for me it's spec, if looking surely it's spec v spec?
Anyway, if you look on a previous search of okuma obsidian, one guy spoke about a quarter of turn from free running to locked up, he changed the washers to felt from westons I think and said he's got 3/4 to a full turn now, which sounds perfect, when the weather changes like Arnie, 'I be back' with different washers in mine 😉
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Had a few reels in my time'
Bought a mint second hand set of shimano black mags xtb's..........best I've ever had,fitted Weston speed caps,so smooth,👌👌
Had a few reels in my time'
Bought a mint second hand set of shimano black mags xtb's..........best I've ever had,fitted Weston speed caps,so smooth,👌👌